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07-30-2013, 07:28 PM
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I would like to get rid of Meszaros and Coburn through trades to free up some room to make more moves as the season progress. If we place pronger on LTIR and successfully trade Meszaros and Coburn we will have around 10 million in cap space not including the players that were acquired in the trades.

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07-30-2013, 07:39 PM
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I would like to get rid of Meszaros and Coburn through trades to free up some room to make more moves as the season progress. If we place pronger on LTIR and successfully trade Meszaros and Coburn we will have around 10 million in cap space not including the players that were acquired in the trades.
Pronger to LTIR and Mez gone is 9mil, there's no need to move Coburn for more cap space.

And where is this hard on for cap space coming from? Flyers need defense and they aren't gonna get much better then Coburn without moving key pieces so what's the point of moving him for cap space?

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07-30-2013, 11:50 PM
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Pronger can only go on LTIR after the season starts, but before the season starts the cap needs to be in compliance. So the Flyers have to do something, if only for one day, but they have options that would preclude the need to make any significant moves. After that first day, Pronger --> LTIR ------> no cap problem.
That is wrong.

The Flyers have two options right now.

Option 1) LTIR Pronger before the season starts, the draw back from this is that the credit amount from LTIR will only be the total we are over the cap, so if we did it today and made no roster changes, we would only be allowed to be approx 2 million over. This means we could in theory sign Gagne to a deal that would bring us up to 4.9 million over the cap so that we would get full credit for Prongers cap hit.

Option 2) Be under the cap by the first day of the season (shuffle players around, trade somebody etc) and then put Pronger on LTIR, that way we get the full credit of his cap hit no matter what.

Option 2 gives you more freedom because you aint using the LTIR credit just yet, but option 1 does exist if we really need it.

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That is wrong.

The Flyers have two options right now.

Option 1) LTIR Pronger before the season starts, the draw back from this is that the credit amount from LTIR will only be the total we are over the cap, so if we did it today and made no roster changes, we would only be allowed to be approx 2 million over. This means we could in theory sign Gagne to a deal that would bring us up to 4.9 million over the cap so that we would get full credit for Prongers cap hit.

Option 2) Be under the cap by the first day of the season (shuffle players around, trade somebody etc) and then put Pronger on LTIR, that way we get the full credit of his cap hit no matter what.

Option 2 gives you more freedom because you aint using the LTIR credit just yet, but option 1 does exist if we really need it.
Very interesting, was not aware it worked like that.

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Very interesting, was not aware it worked like that.
Better explained here
http://capgeek.com/faq/how-does-long...erve-LTIR-work

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07-31-2013, 10:33 PM
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That is wrong.

The Flyers have two options right now.

Option 1) LTIR Pronger before the season starts, the draw back from this is that the credit amount from LTIR will only be the total we are over the cap, so if we did it today and made no roster changes, we would only be allowed to be approx 2 million over. This means we could in theory sign Gagne to a deal that would bring us up to 4.9 million over the cap so that we would get full credit for Prongers cap hit.

Option 2) Be under the cap by the first day of the season (shuffle players around, trade somebody etc) and then put Pronger on LTIR, that way we get the full credit of his cap hit no matter what.

Option 2 gives you more freedom because you aint using the LTIR credit just yet, but option 1 does exist if we really need it.
So they could send Couturier and Laughton down to Adirondack on day one, put Pronger on LTIR and then be allowed to be $4.9M over cap for as long as he's there. That sounds like a pretty good deal. The only problem is they won't be able to recall both guys unless they trade someone else first. Including Pronger, there are currently 25 roster players. So, who do you think doesn't get to stay? Bourdon?

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So they could send Couturier and Laughton down to Adirondack on day one, put Pronger on LTIR and then be allowed to be $4.9M over cap for as long as he's there. That sounds like a pretty good deal. The only problem is they won't be able to recall both guys unless they trade someone else first. Including Pronger, there are currently 25 roster players. So, who do you think doesn't get to stay? Bourdon?
Him or Mez.

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Him or Mez.
If both were gone, do you think they'd re-sign Gagne? maybe that's a dumb question. Let's assume, they intend to resign Gagne anyway, then they need to trade away two players before the season begins (unless Couturier and Laughton stay in Adirondack)

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Maybe I'm missing something, but why is it required that they trade two players unless Couturier or Laughton stay in ADK? It doesn't make a lot of sense for Couturier to stay in ADK or get traded. It doesn't really make sense at all.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but why is it required that they trade two players unless Couturier or Laughton stay in ADK? It doesn't make a lot of sense for Couturier to stay in ADK or get traded. It doesn't really make sense at all.
Because there are currently 25 players on the roster and if they sign Gagne, there will be 26. Assuming they put Pronger on LTIR, they'll be back down to 25, but the roster limit is 23...so two players have to go somewhere. The consensus from various fans so far seems to be that trading Meszaros will free up one spot. Some one else said Bourdon might not be able to play anyway...so that might free up the other space.

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There are quite a few players who will go before Couturier

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There are quite a few players who will go before Couturier

Edit: Are you looking at Capgeek? Because Shelley and Knuble are gone.
Yes. But Shelley and Knuble aren't counted in the current 25 players

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Rosehill and Gervais could be made to disappear, too.

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There are quite a few players who will go before Couturier
Don't get me wrong..I'm not saying Courturier should be traded. His send down to ADK is only temporary on day one...long enough to put Pronger on LTIR...then he'd be brought back to PHI right away.

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Allow my to tidy this up.

To maximize cap space, Courturier and Laughton are sent down to ADK on day one. This puts the team under the salary cap. Then...Pronger get's put on LTIR which free us another 4.9M of spending...paving the way to re-sign Gagne. Then two other players are traded...Mesz and Bourdon (possible LTIR). These new openings agllow Couturier and Laughton to be brought back to PHI without being over the 23 man roster limit.

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Trading Mez and sending down Rosehill and Gervais accomplishes the same thing.

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Trading Mez and sending down Rosehill and Gervais accomplishes the same thing.
those guys both have one-way NHL contracts. Sending them down doesn't reduce the cap hit like sending down two way players does...two way players like Couturier and Laughton

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those guys both have one-way NHL contracts. Sending them down doesn't reduce the cap hit like sending down two way players does...two way players like Couturier and Laughton

Hahaha...I see NHL13 has struck again.

One way/Two way status has zero effect on cap hit, barring CBA changes I didn't hear about.

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Hahaha...I see NHL13 has struck again.

One way/Two way status has zero effect on cap hit, barring CBA changes I didn't hear about.
Don't one-way contracts take up a roster space, even if the player has been sent down?

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Don't one-way contracts take up a roster space, even if the player has been sent down?
Nope. It only means he's paid the same in the AHL as he is in the NHL. If he's sent down, the roster spot is freed up and the cap hit is gone.

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Nope. It only means he's paid the same in the AHL as he is in the NHL. If he's sent down, the roster spot is freed up and the cap hit is gone.
This would work IF the Flyers are willing to continue paying NHL salary to a couple guys, but why not just trade them for future considerations instead?

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This would work IF the Flyers are willing to continue paying NHL salary to a couple guys, but why not just trade them for future considerations instead?
Money is the last thing the Flyers care about, right after "the weird smell in Luukko's basement fridge" and "the amount of hair in the locker room drains." They'd sooner send them down and keep them, though I wouldn't mind getting some form of return. We have enough young players to afford sending them off, I think...if we need to fill holes, we have bottom-talent type prospects

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Money is the last thing the Flyers care about, right after "the weird smell in Luukko's basement fridge" and "the amount of hair in the locker room drains." They'd sooner send them down and keep them, though I wouldn't mind getting some form of return. We have enough young players to afford sending them off, I think...if we need to fill holes, we have bottom-talent type prospects
There's room for seven more non-roster players. Maybe you could get some prospects and/or picks back for those guys. What about getting higher picks/prospects for Meszaros and putting Bourdon on LTIR. Then you get Couturier and Laughton back from ADK, keep Rosehill and Gervais, plus you'd get to resign Gagne, too. That sounds like the best solution.

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Rundblad + a 4th for Simmonds would help your cap problem slide read up to top 6.
Outside Giroux, Simmonds might be the last Flyer player that I trade.

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