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08-01-2013, 08:11 AM
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25 times. But 17 goalies had 30 wins in 2011-12. Should we be okay with committing one of the highest cap hits to a goalie doing what passes as average?
If the alternative contract option ID not available, then we may not have a choice.

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08-01-2013, 08:12 AM
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I don't think there is anyway that Hank gets 9m per, Rask got paid 7, is Hank with 2m more power year??? 8 is my guess

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I think Hank could put up 30-35 wins when he's 35. That's still great, no? What number would you consider good for when he's in his mid to late thirties?
Who cares? Its needless and impossible to even try to project that sort of thing.

The past indicates most goaltenders' performance suffer after the age of 35. Will it happen with Henrik? Who knows?

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Who cares? Its needless and impossible to even try to project that sort of thing.

The past indicates most goaltenders' performance suffer after the age of 35. Will it happen with Henrik? Who knows?
Agreed, it may, it may not.

However, Since the odds are not in his favor, we'd like to minimize the high cap hit with 2 contracts as opposed to 1 large one.

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That's the price you pay to try and win it all, isn't it?

Besides, Henrik at his worse is better than half the goalies out there. Can we really get that great of a goalie at a great price when the time comes? His compete is going to take him right through later years.

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Agreed, it may, it may not.

However, Since the odds are not in his favor, we'd like to minimize the high cap hit with 2 contracts as opposed to 1 large one.
Sure. Lundqvist won't go for that though. Look, Im usually a stickler for contracts, but if theres one guy thats earned every penny he'll get, which I assume will be a 7-8 year worth $60M+, its Henrik Lundqvist. The guy has meant more to this team, over a longer period of time, than anyone I've seen in my 25 years as a Ranger fan.

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Really not thrilled with the idea of having a 35, 36, 37-year-old goalie with a $9m cap hit. I know the the cap is expected to rise, but that's still a huge chunk of the team's cap space. The guy plays 65+ games a year. Plus playoffs. Plus Olympics and probably a future World Cup or two. He's putting a lot of miles on those knees. How many elite years does he have left in the tank?
http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/12/10/ano...rrect-for-bias

Based on this analysis, it's reasonable to think that Lundqvist can maintain his current level until he is 37. He'll be 32 when his next contract starts. If he wants 7 years, I'm fine with that. He'll be 37 to start the 6th year of that contract.

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Sure. Lundqvist won't go for that though. Look, Im usually a stickler for contracts, but if theres one guy thats earned every penny he'll get, which I assume will be a 7-8 year worth $60M+, its Henrik Lundqvist. The guy has meant more to this team, over a longer period of time, than anyone I've seen in my 25 years as a Ranger fan.
Can't disagree with that. He's been the backbone of the team since the lockout. He'll get his money.

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Spoke just two days ago with somebody that has met Hank regularly this summer. He said Hank wants a 7 year deal close to $9M. He will get that deal. You are right on here
Cannot put much stock to put into 'friend of a friend' type of info, but that doesn't mean this can't be true. And if it is true that Hank is looking for this type of contract....well, so much for all those people in the Lundqvist who said he won't bleed the Rangers for every dollar on the table, because his priority is on winning.

If Hank gets this type of contract...his priority is money. Period.

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I don't think there is anyway that Hank gets 9m per, Rask got paid 7, is Hank with 2m more power year??? 8 is my guess
on the flipside though rask got paid $7 mil/year after being a #1 goalie for what, 1/2 a season only because thomas 'retired'...and hank has been the best goalie for 8 years

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7 x 9 is tough to do for a goalie in today's NHL.

If anyone deserves that contract it's Henrik. And it would be way more tough for me personally to see him in another sweater.

But it is certainly tough to flesh out a roster paying a goalie that much. And if the last few years have shown anything it's that you need depth to go far in the POs. If that's where the numbers land you have to hope and pray the cap goes up.

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9 million vs 7 won't win or lose us a cup, IMO, but could lose us one of our franchise's most historic players.

Lundqvist didn't even go play for his beloved Frolunda during the lockout because he wanted to focus on this team. Make him a lifetime Ranger, give him his deal.

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7 x 9 is tough to do for a goalie in today's NHL.

If anyone deserves that contract it's Henrik. And it would be way more tough for me personally to see him in another sweater.

But it is certainly tough to flesh out a roster paying a goalie that much. And if the last few years have shown anything it's that you need depth to go far in the POs. If that's where the numbers land you have to hope and pray the cap goes up.
Hank already makes 6.875 per year. Is another 2.125 mil going to really make that much of a difference? I also doubt he actually gets 9 per year. He will get more than any other goalie, but not 2 mil more than any other goalie.

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08-01-2013, 08:55 AM
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McDonagh could have gotten close to 6 million over a 6 year deal. There is your difference right there.

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Why not 8 years at the same total contract amount so it knocks the cap hit down a bit? Isn't there an opt out in the CBA for both sides in 7 years time?

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They really don't have much of a choice other than to give Hank whatever he wants. Losing him sets this team back immeasurably. That's as much managements fault as it is due to Hank's elite level of play.

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I'd give the man 7/63. If there's one guy that deserves it it's Hank.

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Hank already makes 6.875 per year. Is another 2.125 mil going to really make that much of a difference?
It might make a difference, yes. We could not ice an adequate team with enough depth around him at $6.875 million per year...it would be even more difficult at $9 million per year.

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08-01-2013, 09:09 AM
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We have an adequate team around him presently.

The problem is not giving a guy like Henrik a huge contract. If we do, he should be expected to play 70+ games a season, though. The problem is when we give guys like Richards and Drury huge contracts.

Lets grow our own players. Find bargain bin FA's like Pouliot and Moore to round out the lineup.

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on the flipside though rask got paid $7 mil/year after being a #1 goalie for what, 1/2 a season only because thomas 'retired'...and hank has been the best goalie for 8 years
touche, but does he become the highest paid goalie by 2M?

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We have an adequate team around him presently.

The problem is not giving a guy like Henrik a huge contract. If we do, he should be expected to play 70+ games a season, though. The problem is when we give guys like Richards and Drury huge contracts.

Lets grow our own players. Find bargain bin FA's like Pouliot and Moore to round out the lineup.
Thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis.

I was going to write that out in several different languages too, but I felt this was adequate.

We're going to have to pay the man, and I'm completely fine with that.

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The problem is not giving a guy like Henrik a huge contract. If we do, he should be expected to play 70+ games a season, though. The problem is when we give guys like Richards and Drury huge contracts.
This is a great point. As Hank ages through this contract, in order to keep him healthy and sharp for the playoffs he should be expected to progressively play LESS regular season games, not more.

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They really don't have much of a choice other than to give Hank whatever he wants. Losing him sets this team back immeasurably. That's as much managements fault as it is due to Hank's elite level of play.
Agreed.

And if we do lose Hank, I'm not convinced that Sather will bite the bullet and go into rebuild mode. He will probably still try to make the team competitive, and I fear we could see a repeat of the Dark Ages. Not good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad enough for a top 5 pick.

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It might make a difference, yes. We could not ice an adequate team with enough depth around him at $6.875 million per year...it would be even more difficult at $9 million per year.
Hank's contract wasn't the only reason for that. We had Gabby at 7.5, Nash at 7.8 and Richards at 6.67. Gabby is gone. Richards should hopefully be gone next year. And the cap should continue to go up.

If we are only going to have 2 or 3 players making north of 7 mil per season, I'm perfectly fine with Hank being one of them. Better him than rolling the dice on some UFA.

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11 times in NHL history a goalie age 35+ won 35 games.
Just curious, how many of these 11 times happened over the last 10 years? I don't think this is a big issue as a lot of starting goalies has still been putting up good numbers after age 35. Goalies in general is considered to be more durable and able to play into their late 30's and early 40's, as long as they take good care of their body.

I do agree however that Hank's play style is a bit concerning. He's basically a knee injury away from being mediocre cause it doesn't matter much how well you take care of your body, you will have problems coming back from a serious knee injury if you're 30+.

If he can stay healthy though for the foreseeable future I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to put up 30 wins or so per season, provided he has a decent team around him. It might decline a little bit I guess the older he gets, with hopefully a backup taking more and more games to keep Hank fresh.

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