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08-01-2013, 09:27 AM
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Trade Kulemin to Edmonton
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08-01-2013, 09:33 AM
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Whether or not Duchene for Franson is enough for the Leafs to flip is up for discussion, however. (most would probably think not).
Is this comedy?

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08-01-2013, 10:11 AM
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The Avalanche would be smart to pursue him, but they'd be smarter to offer up Duchene. Too bad they can't offer O'Rielly, and won't offer MacKinnon.

Makes no sense for the Avalanche to keep all three centers, long-term, when they clearly need a lot of help on the back end.

Whether or not Duchene for Franson is enough for the Leafs to flip is up for discussion, however. (most would probably think not).

But I seriously doubt the Avalanche go the offer-sheet route. They've never done that before in franchise history, IIRC.
Franson for Duchene would be an interesting proposal. Obviously, Franson would have to be locked up on a good contract, and the Leafs might have to add something to sweeten the deal.

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08-01-2013, 10:13 AM
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Franson for Duchene would be an interesting proposal. Obviously, Franson would have to be locked up on a good contract, and the Leafs might have to add something to sweeten the deal.


LMAO. Ya think??????

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08-01-2013, 10:14 AM
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Trade Kulemin to Edmonton
As much as I think we could use this type of player, I just don't see where he slots into our lineup with Hemsky staying. Unless we drop Jones to 4th line and Kulemin continues to put up points at a 3rd line pace.

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08-01-2013, 10:17 AM
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Franson for Duchene would be an interesting proposal. Obviously, Franson would have to be locked up on a good contract, and the Leafs might have to add something to sweeten the deal.
I think they'd have to add significantly, something more valuable that Franson IMO. However, I don't think the Avalanche would be interested in moving Duchene at this point.


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08-01-2013, 10:19 AM
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Franson for Duchene would be an interesting proposal. Obviously, Franson would have to be locked up on a good contract, and the Leafs might have to add something to sweeten the deal.
Colorado wouldn't move Duchene for Kadri and Franson.

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08-01-2013, 10:47 AM
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Doesnt matter how you slice it, if Franson plays anywhere but Toronto next year it will be because of inept GM'ing by Nonis.

SMARTEST thing to do is to sign Kadri right now, what happens if Franson gets signed and some team offer sheets Kadri an amount that Toronto cant fit under the cap?? All of a sudden you lose one of the RFA's.

Both players will sign for 7-7.5 million combined. If Nonis screws this up there is no defence. I'll wait and see what happens.

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08-01-2013, 10:52 AM
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Doesnt matter how you slice it, if Franson plays anywhere but Toronto next year it will be because of inept GM'ing by Nonis.

SMARTEST thing to do is to sign Kadri right now, what happens if Franson gets signed and some team offer sheets Kadri an amount that Toronto cant fit under the cap?? All of a sudden you lose one of the RFA's.

Both players will sign for 7-7.5 million combined. If Nonis screws this up there is no defence. I'll wait and see what happens.
Except you don't. Because you can go over the cap in the offseason and we would match any Kadri offer sheet

So keep calm and let Nonis do his job

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08-01-2013, 10:55 AM
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Doesnt matter how you slice it, if Franson plays anywhere but Toronto next year it will be because of inept GM'ing by Nonis.

SMARTEST thing to do is to sign Kadri right now, what happens if Franson gets signed and some team offer sheets Kadri an amount that Toronto cant fit under the cap?? All of a sudden you lose one of the RFA's.

Both players will sign for 7-7.5 million combined. If Nonis screws this up there is no defence. I'll wait and see what happens.
2nd buyout window opens tomorrow and lasts until August 4th, so I imagine Liles will be bought out in the next few days...it's gonna count against the cap for the next 6 years, but it's really the only viable alternative at this point...

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08-01-2013, 10:57 AM
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Except you don't. Because you can go over the cap in the offseason and we would match any Kadri offer sheet

So keep calm and let Nonis do his job
Bingo. It's August 1st folks....no need to panic.

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08-01-2013, 11:02 AM
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2nd buyout window opens tomorrow and lasts until August 4th, so I imagine Liles will be bought out in the next few days...it's gonna count against the cap for the next 6 years, but it's really the only viable alternative at this point...
We really have no idea what other alternatives are available to Nonis.

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08-01-2013, 11:06 AM
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2nd buyout window opens tomorrow and lasts until August 4th, so I imagine Liles will be bought out in the next few days...it's gonna count against the cap for the next 6 years, but it's really the only viable alternative at this point...
No it's not. Not by a LONG stretch.

- We could trade Liles(maybe retaining SOME of his salary...)
- We could trade Franson
- We could trade Kulemin
- We could sign Kadri to a 3 million dollar contract, and Franson to a 2.5 million dollar "bridge" contract, and dump Holzer to cover the difference.
- We could buyout someone else, to make room for both Kadri & Franson's new deals.
- We could keep one or two guys down on the Marlies, to help make room for their new deals.

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08-01-2013, 11:09 AM
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Colorado wouldn't move Duchene for Kadri and Franson.
JVR and Franson would help them much more than Kadri/Franson

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No it's not. Not by a LONG stretch.

- We could trade Liles(maybe retaining SOME of his salary...)
- We could trade Franson
- We could trade Kulemin
- We could sign Kadri to a 3 million dollar contract, and Franson to a 2.5 million dollar "bridge" contract, and dump Holzer to cover the difference.
- We could buyout someone else, to make room for both Kadri & Franson's new deals.
- We could keep one or two guys down on the Marlies, to help make room for their new deals.
They used their two buyouts already so no more buyouts

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08-01-2013, 11:14 AM
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They used their two buyouts already so no more buyouts
No more compliance buyouts, they can use a regular buy out.

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They used their two buyouts already so no more buyouts
Do you even read any of the Liles/Leafs threads?

2 players filed for arbitration so we can use a regular buyout in the next few days

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It would be terrible asset management to use a buyout on Liles. Liles still has trade value, and Nonis can unload his salary while gaining an asset in return in the process.

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It would be terrible asset management to use a buyout on Liles. Liles still has trade value, and Nonis can unload his salary while gaining an asset in return in the process.
If Liles had value, he would have been trade back before July even rolled around.

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It would be terrible asset management to use a buyout on Liles. Liles still has trade value, and Nonis can unload his salary while gaining an asset in return in the process.
That contract is going to be an extremely tough sell for them. He isn't that great of a player anymore+ he is due 3.875 per year(cap hit) for three years. I don't think a team will make a move for him based on that contract alone, and not even mentioning his slip in play.

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I guess "frozen" to "chilly" is still heating up.

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JVR and Franson would help them much more than Kadri/Franson
Not at the expense of Duchene no. There's nothing the leafs can offer to us that would make us move Duchene unless it was Phaneuf, Kessel and Reilly. (AKA, overpayment)

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08-01-2013, 11:37 AM
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They used their two buyouts already so no more buyouts
INCORRECT.

They used their two compliance buyouts, but with players filing for arbitration, they have an additional regular buyout available to them, if they wish.

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If Liles had value, he would have been trade back before July even rolled around.
Why? Why would they trade him back then, when they MIGHT have been able to fit everyone in? It's only now, that the dust is settling, that Nonis can see what needs to be done to complete his summer of work.

It doesn't mean there was no interest in Liles all along, it could also mean that the Leafs weren't ready to trade him away 1-2 months ago.

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Not at the expense of Duchene no. There's nothing the leafs can offer to us that would make us move Duchene unless it was Phaneuf, Kessel and Reilly. (AKA, overpayment)

I almost ruined my keyboard by spitting out coffee after I read that.

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