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07-29-2013, 10:58 AM
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Knicks haven't announced their preseason schedule yet. They did collect full payment for three home games from their season ticket holders, but all three games would have to happen before the NBA season opener on October 29. Seeing as how the Rangers opener has been pushed to 10/28 and they are forced to play 9 games on the road to start, I don't see how any Knicks preseason Knicks games are going to get played at the Garden. If they do, Rangers have a legitimate complaint about being treated unfairly.

I'm expecting a full refund on Knicks preseason games announced sometime in the next week or so. NBA schedule release has been pushed back twice now and should be out next Tuesday 8/6. Most teams have already released their pre-season schedule but the Knicks have been silent.

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07-29-2013, 01:08 PM
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the obstructing bridge issue could be solved if they put mini screens on the bridge itself.

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07-29-2013, 01:14 PM
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I was pulling for an invisibility cloak myself

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07-29-2013, 01:18 PM
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the obstructing bridge issue could be solved if they put mini screens on the bridge itself.
they are doing that. but one could still argue that doesn't eliminate the distraction.

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07-29-2013, 01:23 PM
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I'm not gonna make a judgement on the bridges until I see them in person. Either way, I'm more concerned with the product on the ice rather than its surroundings.

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07-30-2013, 07:56 PM
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I'm not gonna make a judgement on the bridges until I see them in person. Either way, I'm more concerned with the product on the ice rather than its surroundings.
Couldn't agree more. Too many preemptive complaints. Let's wait and see! Looking forward to the new lobby. It's been a dump for years.

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Among the additions being kicked around back in 2004 was a museum and/or hall of fame. Was that a part of the final plan?

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It looks like they've started putting up the partitions on the 31 St side bridge -



They look a lot higher in the construction pic than they do in the virtual viewer -



I wonder if they'll eventually be cut down lower?

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07-31-2013, 07:35 AM
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Being that close to the ceiling would unnerve me a bit.

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07-31-2013, 08:51 AM
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Is the whole garden closed during renovation?

The team shop not open before october/november?

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07-31-2013, 09:33 AM
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Is the whole garden closed during renovation?

The team shop not open before october/november?
Yes, no events the last three summers from the last playoff game until late October.

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Few questions:

1) How was MSG able to do this massive a job without changing the capacity when finished (it will be 18,200)?

2) What happened to the 1000 or so ticket holders without seats last season?
-I don't recall any fans here complaining about being booted...so who lost their seats...real fans or is this evidence it was ticket brokers and MSGs attendance is fantom?
-How will they re-fill the 1000 lost seats? Kinda hard to boot somebody out then ask them back again.

3) How did MSG make the concourses so much wider without changing the building footprint?
-Did they just blast out offices, and if so, where are those offices now?

4) At what point in the 200s does obstruction begin?
-Are the 300s and 400s clear?

5) With all the technology, wasn't it possible to build this WITH minimal obstruction?

6) My last q, why the heck did they not update the outside?
-The outside looks very dated, could they not have had some facelift done just for aesthtics?

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07-31-2013, 11:25 AM
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Cablevision is involved with the LA Forum renovation

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MSG bought the Forum last year for $23.5 million from the Faithful Central Bible Church, which had owned it since 2000 but was largely unable to transform it into a revenue-generating property. MSG is putting more than $70 million into bringing it up to speed technologically and aesthetically, a potential advantage over the 14-year-old Staples Center. "The all-in figure is approaching $100 million," Dolan said, factoring in the purchase price and the building improvements.

In Inglewood, the project is seen as a source of community revitalization as well, a new source of jobs during the construction and revenue for the city that lost at least $800,000 a year in direct income from the Forum after Staples opened. MSG is guaranteeing the city at least $675,000 a year in ticket, parking and concession taxes once it's up and running again.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...2933.htmlstory

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07-31-2013, 12:21 PM
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Few questions:

1) How was MSG able to do this massive a job without changing the capacity when finished (it will be 18,200)?

2) What happened to the 1000 or so ticket holders without seats last season?
-I don't recall any fans here complaining about being booted...so who lost their seats...real fans or is this evidence it was ticket brokers and MSGs attendance is fantom?
-How will they re-fill the 1000 lost seats? Kinda hard to boot somebody out then ask them back again.

3) How did MSG make the concourses so much wider without changing the building footprint?
-Did they just blast out offices, and if so, where are those offices now?

4) At what point in the 200s does obstruction begin?
-Are the 300s and 400s clear?

5) With all the technology, wasn't it possible to build this WITH minimal obstruction?

6) My last q, why the heck did they not update the outside?
-The outside looks very dated, could they not have had some facelift done just for aesthtics?
1) Why not? They're not doing anything that would take up more space

2) There's not 18,200 season subs. There were less tickets for the public for every game, no problem for season ticket holders.

3) Not an expert on this stuff, but I'd assume they made use of wasted spaces

4/5) No 400s. Only 3 levels. Nobody knows what's obstructed until they've actually been there

6) Expensive, and not easy to do in one of the busiest areas in New York

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1) Why not? They're not doing anything that would take up more space

2) There's not 18,200 season subs. There were less tickets for the public for every game, no problem for season ticket holders.

3) Not an expert on this stuff, but I'd assume they made use of wasted spaces

4/5) No 400s. Only 3 levels. Nobody knows what's obstructed until they've actually been there

6) Expensive, and not easy to do in one of the busiest areas in New York
On 3), they did blow out offices on the 6th floor. They talked about that on the transformation series when they redid the lower bowl. 8th floor isn't any bigger than it used to be so obviously nothing was done there.

On 4), the bridge blocking the scoreboard will most likely begin in rows 12-14 based on my own observations. Ultimately depends on how big the new board is and how low they hang it. I'm saying 12-14 based on standing up there last year and drawing a line from the edge of the balcony to the 10th floor suites. You could be in rows 12-18 and not find the bridge as an obstruction though so I guess it depends on what he means by obstruction. If you mean the scoreboard then it's what I said. If you mean by the bridge being distracting with people walking across and it being in your line of sight, that could only go for the last couple of rows. We won't really know until opening night.

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07-31-2013, 02:05 PM
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I wonder if they'll eventually be cut down lower?
That area is for the press, TV & radio announces will want their own private space. It doesn't matter how high the partitions go since the people in the upper 200s are expected to be looking down, not up

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the obstructing bridge issue could be solved if they put mini screens on the bridge itself.
The point of going to the game is not watching the bloody game on a screen....

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08-01-2013, 10:38 AM
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The point of going to the game is not watching the bloody game on a screen....
These here in the back rows will still continue to be the worst seats by far:


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08-01-2013, 11:37 AM
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These here in the back rows will still continue to be the worst seats by far:


Feels a lot like the old 400's. I'm not sure they aren't worth their price vs the other seats around the building.

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Feels a lot like the old 400's. If you had last row of the 400's, you'll feel right at home.
Except that in this new configuration you have the giant ass in your face that is the west balcony deck

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Feels a lot like the old 400's. I'm not sure they aren't worth their price vs the other seats around the building.
Those are the old 400's -- what's left of them anyway.

That's why they are blue....

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Those are the old 400's -- what's left of them anyway.

That's why they are blue....
Yep, it's what's left of the 400 deck that was demo'd last summer on the 31st st, 33rd st, and 7th av sides. But they did take out all the old seats and the aisles are in a different configuration

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Yep, it's what's left of the 400 deck that was demo'd last summer on the 31st st, 33rd st, and 7th av sides. But they did take out all the old seats and the aisles are in a different configuration
I think that what is now the very last row in the 400's was added on space that used to be the walkway behind the blue seats. The last 2? rows of the blue seats are $30. That's the cheapest way to get into the building. The view isn't good, particularly of the goal the Rangers shoot at twice, but the relative value would be considered by many to be fairly good. The view from the blue seats is very good in Row 1, but deteriorates rapidly as row# increases.

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3) How did MSG make the concourses so much wider without changing the building footprint?
-Did they just blast out offices, and if so, where are those offices now?
When they made the new 200's, the made them rise more steeply than before. That freed up more space inside for the upper concourses. In other words, they traded air space insde the arena for concourse space under the stands.

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When they made the new 200's, the made them rise more steeply than before. That freed up more space inside for the upper concourses. In other words, they traded air space insde the arena for concourse space under the stands.
Then why is the new concourse so congested?

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