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08-01-2013, 09:54 AM
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Tim Thomas could only handle light workloads in net, though he went 36-11 in 2009 as a 34 year old.

Kipper did at 34, Nabokov did at 34... a lot of good NHL goaltenders had their last very good season at age 34.

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Tim Thomas could only handle light workloads in net, though he went 36-11 in 2009 as a 34 year old.

Kipper did at 34, Nabokov did at 34... a lot of good NHL goaltenders had their last very good season at age 34.
Could Thomas only handle light workloads, or was he only given light workloads because they had Rask? He played 57 regular season and 25 post season games at age 36. He played 59 and 7 at age 37. Both years, Rask played a significant number of regular season games, but none in the playoffs. Thomas' age 36 season was phenomenal.

In Lundqvist's best year (and the Rangers best year since 97), he only played 62 regular season games, and then another 20 in the playoffs.

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08-01-2013, 10:21 AM
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Could Thomas only handle light workloads, or was he only given light workloads because they had Rask? He played 57 regular season and 25 post season games at age 36. He played 59 and 7 at age 37. Both years, Rask played a significant number of regular season games, but none in the playoffs. Thomas' age 36 season was phenomenal.

In Lundqvist's best year (and the Rangers best year since 97), he only played 62 regular season games, and then another 20 in the playoffs.

There is a big correlation between Thomas's games played and his performance. Even when the Bruins had Auld as a backup they ran Thomas less than 60 games,and the one season he played over 60 was a really bad statistical year.

Thomas, like Lundqvist, is a very intense goaltender who needs mental rest. THomas understands this,, Henrik is too hardheaded to. He gets migranes late in the season because of the perpetual mental strain.

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08-01-2013, 10:24 AM
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There is a big correlation between Thomas's games played and his performance. Even when the Bruins had Auld as a backup they ran Thomas less than 60 games,and the one season he played over 60 was a really bad statistical year.

Thomas, like Lundqvist, is a very intense goaltender who needs mental rest. THomas understands this,, Henrik is too hardheaded to. He gets migranes late in the season because of the perpetual mental strain.
I'm still not seeing a reason why Hank can't be effective playing 60 games a year into his late 30's.

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There is a big correlation between Thomas's games played and his performance. Even when the Bruins had Auld as a backup they ran Thomas less than 60 games,and the one season he played over 60 was a really bad statistical year.

Thomas, like Lundqvist, is a very intense goaltender who needs mental rest. THomas understands this,, Henrik is too hardheaded to. He gets migranes late in the season because of the perpetual mental strain.
Did I miss where Lundqvist still has the migraine issues? I thought that was solved 6 years ago.

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Just curious, how many of these 11 times happened over the last 10 years?
Belfour, Roy, and Hasek were the first to do it in 2000-01. Since the introduction of the shootout eight years ago it's been done six times.

35 wins, in this era, usually puts a goalie just inside the top 3rd of the league. How much do we want to be paying a goalie for that?

The NHLNumbers study was an interesting read. Thank you to the poster (GAGLine I think) who linked that. It basically concluded that those who play into their mid-to-late 30's don't performance significantly worse than they do in their early 30's. There is some survivorship bias inherent in that conclusion. Will Lundqvist be good enough to start in his mid-to-late 30's? Not many are. So it's not a given.

At the end of the day I'm not advocating that the Rangers play hardball with Lundqvist or let him walk. I'm advocating two contracts. One to take him to 34 and one to take him from 35+. Because as it stands right now, any 7+ year deal will pay him market value for the first few years and probably be expensive for the last few years.

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08-01-2013, 10:35 AM
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The Rangers broke up the $7.5M for Gaborik into 3 pieces plus cap space. McDonagh got what he should have gotten. He wasn't getting $6M. He isn't PK Subban. His contract starts out at $4M. Its in the 4s in the arbitration years and his first year of group 3 is worth $5M. The 3 group 3 years are in the 5s. $4.7M AAV.

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08-01-2013, 10:50 AM
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The Rangers will sign Lundqvist. They have the space. Its an open canvas for next season. The Rangers have a handful of players signed. Amnestying Richards opens up more space. There is so much money for all of the teams to spend. They will keep their own players. The free agent markets will stink. Teams will need to develop their own players. Nothing changes. Guys like Getzlaf and Perry got high cap hits. Malkin. Giroux. The middle guys will still get screwed with the big guys getting more money. Teams will use the entry level guys to fill the gaps. Just like right now.

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08-01-2013, 10:53 AM
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While on the topic of mileage:

Rk Player GP by 31
1 Harry Lumley 750
2 Martin Brodeur 740
3 Terry Sawchuk 679
4 Roberto Luongo 672
5 Patrick Roy 652
6 Felix Potvin 607
7 Tom Barrasso 602
8 Bill Ranford 595
9 Grant Fuhr 579
10 Chris Osgood 568
11 Glenn Hall 564
12 Gilles Meloche 553
13 Jocelyn Thibault 552
14 John Vanbiesbrouck 543
15 Greg Millen 542
16 Kirk McLean 537
17 Don Beaupre 532
18 Rogie Vachon 525
19 Curtis Joseph 524
20 Bernie Parent 523
21 Henrik Lundqvist 511

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While on the topic of mileage:

Rk Player GP by 31
1 Harry Lumley 750
2 Martin Brodeur 740
3 Terry Sawchuk 679
4 Roberto Luongo 672
5 Patrick Roy 652
6 Felix Potvin 607
7 Tom Barrasso 602
8 Bill Ranford 595
9 Grant Fuhr 579
10 Chris Osgood 568
11 Glenn Hall 564
12 Gilles Meloche 553
13 Jocelyn Thibault 552
14 John Vanbiesbrouck 543
15 Greg Millen 542
16 Kirk McLean 537
17 Don Beaupre 532
18 Rogie Vachon 525
19 Curtis Joseph 524
20 Bernie Parent 523
21 Henrik Lundqvist 511
I think that's NHL games. From 18-23, I'm certain Hank logged some games in the SEL. Thus, the number would seem to be higher than 511. Not overly concerned, however.

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I think that's NHL games. From 18-23, I'm certain Hank logged some games in the SEL. Thus, the number would seem to be higher than 511. Not overly concerned, however.
Correct, that's just NHL. Interestingly, Lundqvist has seen the 13th most amount of NHL shots by the age of 31 in history.

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Correct, that's just NHL. Interestingly, Lundqvist has seen the 13th most amount of NHL shots by the age of 31 in history.
It's a good thing our "army of shot blockers" pad his stats

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In retrospect, I'm surprised people weren't more enthusiastic about Henrik's progress before he came to the NHL. By the time Montoya was drafted 6th overall, Lundqvist had won just about everything the SEL had at a very young age. He probably could have been goaltending in the NHL proficiently by age 20 rather than 23.

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8 year contract limits. Higher cap hits

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In retrospect, I'm surprised people weren't more enthusiastic about Henrik's progress before he came to the NHL. By the time Montoya was drafted 6th overall, Lundqvist had won just about everything the SEL had at a very young age. He probably could have been goaltending in the NHL proficiently by age 20 rather than 23.
does anyone know why Lundqvist wasnt highly regarded during his draft year?? i know players slip due to size, mental issues, attitude problems, lack of natural talent, and a lot of other things... does anyone remember 2000 draft and what was said about Lundqbist before drafted.. it still makes me wonder why he was drafted in the 7th round.

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does anyone know why Lundqvist wasnt highly regarded during his draft year?? i know players slip due to size, mental issues, attitude problems, lack of natural talent, and a lot of other things... does anyone remember 2000 draft and what was said about Lundqbist before drafted.. it still makes me wonder why he was drafted in the 7th round.
Not many people thought he would come over.

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I think a $9 mil cap hit for Hank looks like a lot with the current cap, but as the years progress and the cap increases, it will come back down to Earth. In his later years the cap could very easily be $90 mil and he will cover 10% of it, which is around what he covers now. I personally don't think he will get $9mil. Probably more around $8-8.5.

How many games a year he can play at age 35 is a different story. Hopefully we get lucky and have a situation like Thomas-Rask or Luongo-Schneider, where we have a homegrown goalie who is pushing for a job while eating up 20-25 games a year. It's not likely knowing the Rangers, but it would be ideal. If we have no homegrown talent, paying a veteran goalie like we paid Biron to eat some games wouldn't be a bad thing either.

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does anyone know why Lundqvist wasnt highly regarded during his draft year?? i know players slip due to size, mental issues, attitude problems, lack of natural talent, and a lot of other things... does anyone remember 2000 draft and what was said about Lundqbist before drafted.. it still makes me wonder why he was drafted in the 7th round.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...t_report_card/

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Rated as the no.3-6 top Euro Goalie Prospects, Lundqvist played at the Swedish Elite Level Juniors at Våstra Frolunda. He joins Johan`s Holmqvist and Asplund as Swedish Ranger draftees and may yet just prove to be the best pick of the entire Ranger draft. Another prospect find of scout Christer Rockstrom. Watch out for him…
I think he was a bit of an unknown quantity. I'm sure RB can turn up better info

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Interesting poll over on the Devils forum:

If the Devils never existed what NHL team would you be a fan of--so far 33 of 85 say they would be Rangers fans--which is far ahead of anyone else.

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Well it's true, if NJ didn't have a team, we'd be split between NYR/PHI.

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It should be more, but they don't want to admit it.

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The migraines were in 2006.

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"I'd wake up in the morning with [migraines]. They got better during the day but never completely went away. My whole face was tender," Lundqvist was quoted as saying to local reporters. "I had them the whole summer, too, until the last couple of weeks. But now, after taking tests, I'm on medication. The doctors found that they were caused by me grinding my teeth overnight when I slept."

Lundqvist and doctors speculated that he might have been grinding his teeth because of tension.

When the headaches continued in June, he contacted the team from Sweden. Lundqvist is now taking muscle relaxers and wears a retainer at night.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2586174

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A retainer? What a nerd.

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A retainer? What a nerd.
Trade him.

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Some Devils fan is going to photoshop a retainer onto him now.

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