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07-31-2013, 05:15 PM
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I don't get it either. I just heard on the radio that Amaro said they weren't getting good enough offers for what the Phillies would acquire in returns. If true, it's just more evidence of incompetence. ANY offer would've been acceptable as chances are the Youngs won't be back next year. Get something, a bag of balls. Rube better be active during waivers.
Someone pointed out that if they're a class B free agent or something the team would get a supplemental pick or similar, unless I'm misremembering. I'm not trying to defend the guy as god knows I'm not a fan and I think he's largely responsible for the not so bright future of the Phillies but he may be thinking that the picks or whatever is better then the likely return. Just a thought.

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I don't get it either. I just heard on the radio that Amaro said they weren't getting good enough offers for what the Phillies would acquire in returns. If true, it's just more evidence of incompetence. ANY offer would've been acceptable as chances are the Youngs won't be back next year. Get something, a bag of balls. Rube better be active during waivers.
The caveat to trading those guys would have been freeing up some AB's & playing time for the young guys to see what some of them can do but Amaro just doesn't get it, he's hell bent on this team going somewhere as is.

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Someone pointed out that if they're a class B free agent or something the team would get a supplemental pick or similar, unless I'm misremembering. I'm not trying to defend the guy as god knows I'm not a fan and I think he's largely responsible for the not so bright future of the Phillies but he may be thinking that the picks or whatever is better then the likely return. Just a thought.
That makes too much sense for Amaro to do.

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07-31-2013, 05:37 PM
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That makes too much sense for Amaro to do.
Yeah, this is Amaro. The guy that doled out $50m for Papelbon and a 1st round pick went to Boston, and had he waited about a week or so after the rules changed he wouldn't have lost a 1st round pick (and possibly realized if Papelbon didn't sign elsewhere, he could've offered him less).

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Someone pointed out that if they're a class B free agent or something the team would get a supplemental pick or similar, unless I'm misremembering. I'm not trying to defend the guy as god knows I'm not a fan and I think he's largely responsible for the not so bright future of the Phillies but he may be thinking that the picks or whatever is better then the likely return. Just a thought.
I think you're remembering the old system, hence the pick going to Boston for Papelbon.
Here's the new system:
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The system now in place doesn't entail any arbitrary classifying of free agents. Instead, a team that wishes to receive compensation must submit a "qualifying offer" to the outgoing free agent. A qualifying offer constitutes a one-year proposal worth at least the annual average salary of the top 125 free agents from the previous winter. For this offseason, that comes to a one-year offer of $13.3 million.

If a team makes such a qualifying offer to an outgoing free agent and the free agent signs elsewhere, then his former team will receive a sandwich draft pick between the first and second rounds. The signing team, meanwhile, will forfeit its first-round choice -- unless it's a top-10 pick, in which case the team would give up a second-round pick. The lost picks don't go to any other team; rather, the teams behind the vanished pick all slide up a slot.
Going that route is a bit more dicey now than it was a few years ago.

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07-31-2013, 07:24 PM
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Kendrick is terrible. Should have tried to trade him, never been a fan.

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07-31-2013, 07:31 PM
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Good job Rollins!!

D Young batting cleanup

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Kendrick is terrible. Should have tried to trade him, never been a fan.
Rollins is an idiot as well.

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I know they aren't the players they used to be but playing 3B with the guys at SS and 2B must be pretty damn cool.

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Good job Rollins!!

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What did the ultimate teammate do now? Anymore drawing on the field during the game?

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07-31-2013, 09:58 PM
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What did the ultimate teammate do now? Anymore drawing on the field during the game?
Didn't see this until now. Rollins got doubled up off first on a line drive to the second basemen. Utley then followed with a homer.

Listening to RAJ's interview during the 3rd or whatever inning, it sounds like there is still a distinct chance some guys get moved via waivers. Hopefully someone will be desperate enough to give up something decent for the Youngs etc and now that the compensation theory has been squashed anything will do.

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This team is so ****ed.

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Can we cut delmon young, please? He's so bad.

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Didn't see this until now. Rollins got doubled up off first on a line drive to the second basemen. Utley then followed with a homer.
Ahh no biggie, J Roll is just trying to get to the top of the runs scored list.

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Unbelevable

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That is pretty ridiculous. If they plan on resigning Ruiz, it's a sign they have no plans to rebuild this team. But I guess we are already seeing those signs.

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They'll probably sign McCann to a 5 year deal and basically squash any of the C prospects hopes of playing in a Phils uniform

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I will say this, we can't say Amaro was wrong for not taking the prospect in return for Young or Ruiz. Nobody knows what they offered, maybe they low balled him with a prospect out of their top 20 who most likely become nothing. Keeping the player and having him mentor the young Asche for the remainder of the season is better than making that type of trade.

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Heyman is a Yankee thumper and a ***** stirrer, I believe almost nothing from him.

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I will say this, we can't say Amaro was wrong for not taking the prospect in return for Young or Ruiz. Nobody knows what they offered, maybe they low balled him with a prospect out of their top 20 who most likely become nothing. Keeping the player and having him mentor the young Asche for the remainder of the season is better than making that type of trade.
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This. but less hateful.


On a lesser level, I feel Lee would have been dealt if the price was met.


There was no reason to trade Utley for the junk that was likely being offered, most teams wouldn't give a legit piece for him nor for the Young's or anything like that.

Everyone just needs to calm down and relax.

The offer for Ruiz, could have been some no-namer from outer-space who will never play in the MLB or get a cup of coffee.

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I will say this, we can't say Amaro was wrong for not taking the prospect in return for Young or Ruiz. Nobody knows what they offered, maybe they low balled him with a prospect out of their top 20 who most likely become nothing. Keeping the player and having him mentor the young Asche for the remainder of the season is better than making that type of trade.
Why? I don't see what Michael Young could show him in 2 months that Chase Utley can't. It's not like Young was ever an excellent fielder. I don't see the point of getting nothing for Young or Ruiz. The Phils aren't getting a compensation pick because neither of those guys, or Delmon Young, are getting qualifying offers, and if somehow they do they're not turning them down.

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Why? I don't see what Michael Young could show him in 2 months that Chase Utley can't. It's not like Young was ever an excellent fielder. I don't see the point of getting nothing for Young or Ruiz. The Phils aren't getting a compensation pick because neither of those guys, or Delmon Young, are getting qualifying offers, and if somehow they do they're not turning them down.
Exactly. That's Utley's job, everyone doesn't need their own mentor. He's perfectly capable of taking care of the lineup. Utley mentors Brown despite him being an outfielder. Young and Ruiz provide nothing to this team anymore. They are free agents, so we get two months of their mediocre baseball and then they are gone and we get nothing.

Get what you can out of them now. Maybe you can get something good. I understand keeping Utley but there is no reason to keep these guys.

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Exactly. That's Utley's job, everyone doesn't need their own mentor. He's perfectly capable of taking care of the lineup. Utley mentors Brown despite him being an outfielder. Young and Ruiz provide nothing to this team anymore. They are free agents, so we get two months of their mediocre baseball and then they are gone and we get nothing.

Get what you can out of them now. Maybe you can get something good. I understand keeping Utley but there is no reason to keep these guys.
Young didn't waive to NYY so it's a moot point anyway.

Boston nor Texas weren't meeting the asking price of RAJ for him, which I'm sure wasn't absurd as you guys are portraying right now.

Ruiz, I guess they really want to bring him back next season.

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http://www.csnphilly.com/show/lunch-break

This is a good watch as why they weren't moved.

Why move the players for players we will be releasing in October? Hold on to them to see in August if teams have injuries and are maybe more desperate. No reason to just move them to move them for nothing. Injuries always happen, a team might need a Ruiz or Young more in a few weeks.

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This is a good watch as why they weren't moved.

Why move the players for players we will be releasing in October? Hold on to them to see in August if teams have injuries and are maybe more desperate. No reason to just move them to move them for nothing. Injuries always happen, a team might need a Ruiz or Young more in a few weeks.
That may make sense for Ruiz, but for Michael Young the reason is Charlie Manuel will find a way to work him into the lineup regularly even if it costs ABs to Darin Ruf or Cody Asche.

Michael Young has a full no-trade clause. If you place him on August revokable waivers for the purpose of trading him and another team does claim him you can only negotiate with that one team. Because of his no-trade clause Young would have to waive it in order to be traded to just that one team and if Young doesn't waive it you can't even let that team claim his contract because of his no-trade clause.

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It's true that he can still move them. It's just going to be much harder unless guys clear. The problem isn't just Young and Ruiz though its that Papelbon is still here because they waited too long and wouldn't eat money. Lee is still here because they didn't eat money. Those are the guys that start the rebuild, not Young and Ruiz. They just add to the annoyance of seeing this ship sink and nothing happening to stop it.

They pretty much have to hope for injuries at this point, so that some team is forced into making a panic deal.

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