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08-01-2013, 06:14 PM
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Then why is the new concourse so congested?
My best guess is that in the old configuration, 300s and 400s were on different levels, each with their own narrow concourses. Now everything is the 200s with just one level of concourse on each side of the arena. So, twice as wide, but double the customers.

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My best guess is that in the old configuration, 300s and 400s were on different levels, each with their own narrow concourses. Now everything is the 200s with just one level of concourse on each side of the arena. So, twice as wide, but double the customers.
Walkway between the 200's and 300's is also gone which a lot of people used to walk around.

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Walkway between the 200's and 300's is also gone which a lot of people used to walk around.
This is the main culprit imo.

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08-01-2013, 07:32 PM
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Walkway between the 200's and 300's is also gone which a lot of people used to walk around.
Getting rid of it was the best thing they did in this reno. No one goes to the game to hear "DOWN IN FRONT, ****head"... though that does still happen in some areas of the building.

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08-02-2013, 12:09 AM
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Walkway between the 200's and 300's is also gone which a lot of people used to walk around.
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This is the main culprit imo.

Good point, I forgot about that.

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08-02-2013, 07:20 AM
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When they made the new 200's, the made them rise more steeply than before. That freed up more space inside for the upper concourses. In other words, they traded air space insde the arena for concourse space under the stands.
They freed up more space but theres a big but...Previously the 300s used the 7th floor and the 8th floor to walk around/bathroom/concession and the 400s had at least a little space to walk around on the 9th floor.

Now everyone in the 200s and up (previously the 300s and 400s) all basically have to work within the confines of the 8th floor.

If they gave the 200s the 7th floor there would be (a guess) at least 10 more feet to work with in the concourses. Heck, even if it was 5 feet it would make a difference.

Getting rid of the inner walkway removed a huge annoyance component but I am not sure how much it effects congestion in the concourses. What it did add that we really didnt have before is the people who walk the entire length of rows because they entered the wrong side of the section.

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08-02-2013, 01:16 PM
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Then why is the new concourse so congested?
In the pre-renovation Garden, there were multiple paths for pedestrian traffic.
  • Patrons of reds and oranges (section #'s less than 200) had the opportunity to use the 6th floor concourse and the 6th floor in-arena walkway.
  • Patrons of yellows (200's) had the opportunity to use the 7th floor councourse and the 7th floor in-arena walkway.
  • Patrons of greens (300's) had the opportunity to use the 7th floor councourse, the 8th floor councourse, and the 7th floor in arena walkway.
  • Patrons of blues (400's) had the 8th floor concourse (and had to walk down to it). The only in-arena walkway was behind the seats.
  • It should be noted that the 8th floor concourse did not circumnavigate the building.

In the new Garden, people are told to do with less.
  • Lower Bowl (100's) can only use the 6th floor concourse. There is no in-arena walkway. Reds, oranges, and yellows make up the lower bowl.
  • Upper Bowl (200's) can only use the 8th floor concourse. There is no in-arena walkway. Greens and blues make up the upper bowl.

In a nut-shell, the higher in the building you go, the closer you are pushed towards the outer wall.

The lower bowl pretty much remained unchanged. The suites were installed where the old 7th floor in-arena walkway was located. The upper bowl seating was placed on top of these suites. I have not been afforded the opportunity to walk the suite concourse on the 7th floor, but I bet it is a ballroom. The new 8th avenue concourse is probably just as big as the old 7th avenue one was, just reconfigured to move points of sale to the outside rather than under the seats. The problem is that you have twice as many people using it, and removed the in-arena walkway.

Do more with less. It's very common now-a-days.

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I want to see the lobby.

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Im excited to see the Lobby as well. The current version of it was terrible. It never felt like a world class arena entrance, more like an extension of the Subway.

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I have not been afforded the opportunity to walk the suite concourse on the 7th floor, but I bet it is a ballroom.
Was there once this year and the suite concourse is more hallway than concourse. Doesn't matter though as once you're in there's no reason to leave a suite and wander around.

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08-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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can't seem to get a recent earthcam view by messing with my clock any more, can anyone get a recent snapshot?

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can't seem to get a recent earthcam view by messing with my clock any more, can anyone get a recent snapshot?
Worked for me. Here it is...

All that steel mesh reinforcement is finished. Is the next step one more layer of concrete? Tons of layers to a rink, my god.

A brand new rink, new coach, system, scoreboard, everything. Exciting stuff.

Exactly 12 weeks to opening night.



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This is the craziest project ever considering it's gone in 10 years. Wow.

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This is the craziest project ever considering it's gone in 10 years. Wow.
Didn't really feel like reading the thread, did you?

The project started 2 years ago, before the Rangers permit was up for renewal and they knew it'd only be a 10 year permit, plus it's very unlikely that in 10 years they will have to demolish the Garden and move someplace else. Even if they do, the city will pretty much be footing the bill. MSG owns the land, they aren't leasing it from the city or anything. The 10 years thing is just a permit to do business and a lot of **** can change in 10 years

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In 10 years they'll get another 10 year permit.

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Worked for me. Here it is...

All that steel mesh reinforcement is finished. Is the next step one more layer of concrete? Tons of layers to a rink, my god.

A brand new rink, new coach, system, scoreboard, everything. Exciting stuff.

Exactly 12 weeks to opening night.

Those bridges look so close to the ceiling.

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Those bridges look so close to the ceiling.
They should be a lot closer to the center of the arena too. They put them too far back towards the walls. That takes away a lot of the cool factor, not to mention block everybody's view behind there

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They should be a lot closer to the center of the arena too. They put them too far back towards the walls. That takes away a lot of the cool factor, not to mention block everybody's view behind there
Any closer to center and they would be directly above the lower bowl, aka the expensive seats.

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Any closer to center and they would be directly above the lower bowl, aka the expensive seats.
But that shouldn't matter since the bridges are basically glued to the ceiling

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They should be a lot closer to the center of the arena too. They put them too far back towards the walls. That takes away a lot of the cool factor, not to mention block everybody's view behind there
True. When I first saw the bridges, I assumed they would be directly over the ice/court. Obviously that's not case.
That would have been cool.

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They should be a lot closer to the center of the arena too. They put them too far back towards the walls. That takes away a lot of the cool factor, not to mention block everybody's view behind there
If the bridges were suspended any closer to the playing floor on 31st & 33rd street sides of the building, they would obstruct the lights situated in the third ring out from the center tension ring.

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If the bridges were suspended any closer to the playing floor on 31st & 33rd street sides of the building, they would obstruct the lights situated in the third ring out from the center tension ring.
wouldn't they just mount the lamps under the bridge instead of the ceiling?

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If the plan was always to have the media and (I'm assuming) the announcers up there the bridges would have to be back so the whole ice can be seen. I can't imagine Sam calling a game looking straight down at it.

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True. When I first saw the bridges, I assumed they would be directly over the ice/court. Obviously that's not case.
That would have been cool.
That's what I thought to. They really aren't "bridges".

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True. When I first saw the bridges, I assumed they would be directly over the ice/court. Obviously that's not case.
That would have been cool.
Why on earth would they put the bridges "directly over the ice"?

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