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07-27-2013, 11:22 AM
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MLD 2013 Line-up Assassination Thread

Post your complete line-up here for review by others.



Include one captain ("one "C") and two alternate captains (two "A"s) for standardization purposes.

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GM's: jkrx & Hawkman
Coach: Jimmy Skinner
Captain: Billy Reay
Assistant Captains: Phat Wilson, Milan Lucic

Anton Stastny - Billy Reay (C) - Carson Cooper
Craig Simpson - Bronco Horvath - Anders Kallur
Milan Lucic (A) - Ulf Sterner - Cliff Koroll
Jimmy Gardner - Alexander Kozhevnikov - Wayne Babych

Hy Buller - Phat Wilson (A)
Keith Yandle - Ted Graham
Niklas Kronwall - Jeff Beukeboom

Johnny Mowers
Leif Erik "Honken" Holmqvist

Spares: Rob Niedermeyer, F, Dale Tallon, D, Eddie Olczyk, C, Eric Weinrich, D


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Marc Tardif- Robbie Ftorek -Real "Buddy" Cloutier
Valeri Kamesky-Thomas Gradin-Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Loui Eriksson-Jordan Stall-Robert MacDougall
Kelly Buckberger-Sergei Nemchinov-Scott Young

Petr Svoboda-Drew Doughty
Dan Hamius- Sami Salo
Rollie Stoltz-Oleg Tverdovsky


Marty Turco
Pekka Rinne


Joe Carveth RW
Pierre Larouche C
Tony Tanti W
Petri Skriko LW

Coach Marc Crawford

Captain Robbie Ftorek

Alternates Kelly Buckberger, Drew Doughty

PP1

Marc Tardif- Robbie Ftorek- Real "Buddy" Cloutier
Rollie Stoltz-Oleg Tverdovsky

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Valeri Kamesky-Thomas Gradin- Bob MacDougall
Sami Salo- Drew Doughty

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Jordan Stall- Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Petr Svoboda-Drew Doughty

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Dave King

Nick Mikoski – Anze Kopitar – Dustin Brown
Herb Cain – Mike Ribeiro – Grant Warwick
Vincent Lukac – Jozef Golonka – Ulf Dahlen
Dutch Hiller - Todd Marchant – Alex Burrows

Alexei Zhitnik – John van Boxmeer
Tomas Kaberle – Scott Hannan
Billy Coutu – Mario Marois

Seth Martin
Cam Ward

Darren McCarty, RW
Ron Duguay, C/RW
Bert McCaffrey, D/F
Kent Douglas, D


PP1: Cain-Ribeiro-Warwick-Kaberle-Marois
PP2: Kopitar-Golonka-Lukac-Zhitnik-van Boxmer

PK1: Marchant-Hiller-Hannan-Coutu
PK2: Kopitar-Burrows


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Thomas Vanek - Syl Apps Jr. -Adam Deadmarsh
Bohuslav Stastny-Nicklas Backstrom - Art Farrell
Murray Craven- Pete Stemkowski - Pat Flatley
Curt Fraser-Wayne Merrick- Joe Lamb

Brad Maxwell-Jay Bouwmeester
Lasse Bjorn- Sylvain Cote
Fredrik Olausson - Garth Butcher

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C Andy Blair
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Head Coach: Darryl Sutter

Cory Stillman - Herb Jordan - Scott Mellanby (A)
Josef Cerny - Robert Reichel - Petr Sykora
Butch Keeling - David Krejci
- Mikael Renberg (A)
Eddie Shack - Kelly Kisio (C) - Bill Collins

Gordie Roberts - Mike O'Connell (A)
Dennis Seidenberg - Rudolf Potsch
Jim Morrison - Alex Levinsky

Reggie Lemelin
Vladimir Myshkin

[spares]
Mike Knuble [RW/LW]
Jim McKenny [D/W]
Bryan Smolinski [C/LW/RW]
Clarence Jamieson [D]


PP1
Cerny - Jordan - Mellanby
Roberts - Potsch


PP2
Stillman - Reichel - Sykora
Morrison - O'Connell


[SPOT DUTY PP FORWARDS]
Keeling - Kisio - Krejci - Renberg

SH1
Kisio - Collins
Seidenberg - O'Connell


SH2
Stillman - Jordan
Roberts- Levinsky


[SPOT DUTY PK FORWARDS]
Krejci - Reichel

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Coach: Jan Starsi & Jaroslav Pitner
Captain: Don Lever
Assistant Captains: Dave Babych, Daymond Langkow


Don Lever-Barry Pederson-Eddie Wiseman
Vaclav Prospal-Dave Gagner-Steve Sullivan
Jeff Friesen-Daymond Langkow-Bill Fairbairn
Dave Tippett-Mike Fisher-Rich Preston
Billy McGimsie
Andre Pronovost

Dave Babych-Bingo Kampman
Joe Watson-Bruce Driver
Mark Streit-Larry Hillman
Percy Traub

Don Edwards
Dan Bouchard


PP1

Jeff Friesen-Barry Pederson-Eddie Wiseman
Dave Babych-Bruce Driver

PP2

Vaclav Prospal-Dave Gagner-Steve Sullivan
Mark Streit-Larry Hillman

PK1

Dave Tippett-Don Lever
Joe Watson-Bingo Kampman

PK2

Barry Pederson-Bill Fairbairn
Dave Babych-Larry Hillman

1916 or earlier: Percy Traub(?), Billy McGimsie
1917-1942: Eddie Wiseman, Bingo Kampman
1943-1965: Joe Watson, Larry Hillman
1966-1979: Don Lever, Bill Fairbairn, Don Edwards, Dan Bouchard, Rich Preston
1980-1994: Barry Pederson, Dave Gagner, Dave Babych, Bruce Driver, Dave Tippett, Jeff Friesen
1995-2004: Steve Sullivan, Daymond Langkow, Mike Fisher
in 2013 (ANY active/nonretired pro player with 300-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career): Vinny Prospal, Mark Streit

Tried to make a bio for Starsi but can't find anything.

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[CENTER][B][COLOR="Purple"]Philadelphia Phantoms



Tried to make a bio for Starsi but can't find anything.
Very little out there and you'll find any of it with hackneyed internet translations....I do remember after I picked my coach last year, someone around here stated that while my guy was the figurehead/ideas man, it was Starsi who was the nuts and bolts guy.

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Coach: Frank Boucher
Captain: Weldy Young
Assistant Captains: Mike Rogers, Claude Larose

Fred Whitcroft - Mike Rogers - Hakan Loob
Tony McKegney - Mikko Koivu - Art Gagne
Nick Libett - Larry Patey - Claude Larose
Fred Scanlan - Clarence McKerrow - Tony Gingras

Joe Jerwa - Weldy Young
Doug Crossman - Bill Brydge
Mike Milbury - Gary Sargent

Normie Smith
Gilles Meloche

Spares: Tom Hooper RW/D, Albert Langlois D, Bob Gracie LW/C

PP1: McKegney - Rogers - Loob - Sargent - Whitcroft
PP2: Scanlan - Koivu - Gagne - Crossman - Sargent
PK1: Patey - Larose - Jerwa - Young
PK2: McKerrow - Libett - Milbury - Brydge

1916 or earlier: Whitcroft
1917-1942: Smith
1943-1965: Larose
1966-1979: Rogers
1980-1994: Crossman
1995-2004: Loob
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Shawn Burr - Bobby Carpenter - Chico Maki
Darcy Tucker - Rob Zamuner - Randy McKay
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Jyrki Lumme - Steve Chiasson
Gord Fraser - Tomas Jonsson
Dave Maloney - Warren Godfrey
Tobias Enström, Joe Reekie

Kirk McLean
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Coach: Randy Carlyle

PP1: Shayne Corson - Claude Giroux - Johnny Gagnon Jyrki Lumme - Steve Chiasson
PP2: Randy McKay - Normie Himes - Blaine Stoughton Slava Kozlov - Tomas Jonsson

PK1: Rob Zamuner - Chico Maki Jyrki Lumme - Gord Fraser
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Coach: Bun Cook

Alex Shibicky - Marc Savard - Mac Colville
Alex Semin - Jaroslav Holik - Jason Pominville
Andre Boudrias - Paul Haynes - David Backes (A)
Baldy Cotton - Keith Acton (A) - Dallas Drake (C)
Olli Jokinen, Dave Reid


Doug Jarrett
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Roman Hamrlik - Brent Seabrook
Anders Eldebrink - Bob Murdoch
Jack Campbell, Lou Fontinato

Wilf Cude
Arturs Irbe

PP1
Shibicky-Savard-Pominville
Hamrlik-Letang

PP2
Boudrias-Haynes-Semin
Eldebrink-Seabrook

PK1
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Jarrett-Murdoch

PK2
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Hamrlik-Seabrook


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I had a nice long review typed up and was almost finished, and then I hit a button by mistake and it disappeared. I'll paraphrase this one

Forwards

First line has a good amount of skill, but all three players are basically the same kind of player. They're pass-first, shoot second guys, they're good skaters, and don't really bring anything in terms of toughness or defensive play. Stastny is hard to get a read on because he played the least in the NHL; he outscored/equaled early 20s Peter and late teens early 20s Anton, but he was in his prime in the mid-late 20s. I think they're going to be less than the sum of their talent. Not a big fan of Bodnar with his best years coming during/immediately after the war.

Second line has all the necessary parts to succeed. Lebedev's offense looks underwhelming for a 2nd liner in the MLD. No defensive play to speak of either.

Bottom 6 is a prototypical one, lots of grit and defensive play, not much at all in terms of offense. They'll serve their purpose. There is a very clear top and bottom 6 here.

Overall, your top 6 lacks defensive play, and the first line won't score to their talent because they're all the same player. Don't expect much offense from the bottom 6. Polar opposite top/bottom 6.

Defense

Big fan of your top pairing. Two old timers, but both good ones that bring all the necessary elements. Not as big a fan of your second pairing. I think Beauchemin is more of a 3rd pairing guy here, and how much defense did Ronan actually play, and when did he play it? I always saw him more as a C/D than a D/C. I don't know that much about him, so if you could provide more info on that, I might be able to buy him there. Gregg is a solid bottom pairing defenseman, not that big a fan of Kasparitis, but this pairing looks like they'll hit and play defense fairly well, so they're not being asked to do too much.

Goalies

I'd say Crozier is an above average starter here, you'll have an advantage here most of the time. Nicholson is a very good backup that I might like more than some starters.

PP & PK

Post them! They're an important part of your team.

Coaching

Ted Nolan always seemed to do pretty well for himself despite having teams that were mediocre in terms of talent. Not a great coach, but not the worst.

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Färjestad BK

coach Jimmy Skinner

Milan Lucic (A) - Billy Reay (C) - Carson Cooper
Craig Simpson - Bronco Horvath - Anders Kallur
Anton Stastny - Ulf Sterner - Cliff Koroll
Jimmy Gardner - Alexander Kozhevnikov - Wayne Babych

Keith Yandle - Phat Wilson (A)
Hy Buller - Niklas Kronwall
Ted Graham - Jeff Beukeboom

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Leif Erik "Honken" Holmqvist
There are a lot of good picks on this squad but can the parts mold together and operate at their best not their average?

The first line has a grinder, a two-way center and a shooter. Is there enough passing and can they all hold their own? Billy Reay was the second line two-way pivot in Montreal but his 6th and 10th in assists in a six-team league shows he had moments of offense worthy of first line play. Cooper certainly is a capable trigger man for when passes come his way. However, Lucic averaged 15 minutes a game over his six years in the NHL so he'd be better used lower in the line-up. Anton Stastny ought to be in the top 6 and Lucic would be a decent third liner in all-time competition. And Stastny could help feed Cooper, giving the line a dynamic puck controlling attack. Reay is enough of a glue guy for a first line.

The second line has a power play big body, a goal scoring pivot and a backchecking goal scorer. It could use a passer. Horvath is a one-year wonder at the ATD level but here he has two significant years of really great play in seven years of noteworthy NHL work despite getting sent down and called up often, so he isn't entirely out of place in the starting line-up of the MLD. His peak years were as a goal scorer, never leading his own team in assists, so this line looks deficient in passing given Simpson is on the left and on the right: Kallur is a decent penalty killer and shorthand threat that seems more like a third liner until one considers the fact he was 2nd and 3rd in goals for the Isles during a couple of dynasty years, but not much of a passer. Simpson had good eye-hand coordination, which he used mostly on the powerplay around the net, and was a slow skater so of limited use on transition.

With Stastny miscast on the third line it looks like this is supposed to be another scoring line, counting on Sterner to produce but Ulf played for Farjestad BK so it's no surprise he looks like a homer pick here, especially in a 3rd line role. He seems more like a fourth line possible contributor or extra skater question mark, not among the core players against all-time competition. At least the line has Koroll, who patrols his wing diligently if uncreatively, renowned for his checking and consistent all-around play, including time on both special teams units. He is a quality third liner here.

The fourth line looks like another line built for all-around play, none of the lines especially offense oriented or defensively geared.

All in all, the forward lines will be challenged to ice a dominant passing attack on transition unless the third line Stastny-Sterner click and the forward core isn't built to protect leads but instead to roll three or four lines. Coach Jimmy Skinner led Detroit to its last cup win at the end of their dynasty years by relying on veterans and working with the youth, promoting a family-like atmosphere, it is said. Well, can this line-up get along?

Alternate captain Phat Wilson is an offensive defenseman from minor leagues during an NHL era, one of the questionable HHOF inductees given he played his entire career in Port Arthur in the 1920s, yet certainly extra skater worthy here, but... on the top pairing? Like Sterner, a question mark. Fortunately he is playing with Yandle who can carry a heavy load, though he may be frustrated if he has to cover defensively more than move the play up ice as he can do well.

Buller was an AHL star who played three NHL seasons in his mid-twenties before being sent down again, but brought a wicked shot from the point on the powerplay and was one of the best defensemen in the NHL one year, albeit without physical play. He is nicely paired with Kronwall who can take the body more, though he tends to put himself out of position sometimes when he does and usually is paired with a more defensively responsible blueliner.

The third pairing is solid with Graham a responsible defender who could move the puck and Boomer can hit and agitate.

Goaltending is solid with a reliable starter and a lottery ticket back up.

Overall, the squad has some question marks in terms of passing chemistry on lines and lack of top-level competition relative to their era. It's a team assembled to rely on the peak years of up and down guys and four lines to score enough. To win they will not overwhelm the opposition with their puck possession, top line or shutdown ability, but instead hope the stars align and they get the best years rather than worst years out of their players. The left wing is great in picks and position, as is the goaltending, but the other positions are suspect, albeit the picks are all draft worthy at some point in some position or other.


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Just throwing this idea out there but I was wondering if to increase participation in these assasination threads each GM is assigned 1 other team to review. Doing this would ensure each team got a review and everyone took part in reviewing. I, myself, plan on reviewing a few teams but I think this would be a good idea and 1 I'd like to throw out there.

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Just throwing this idea out there but I was wondering if to increase participation in these assasination threads each GM is assigned 1 other team to review. Doing this would ensure each team got a review and everyone took part in reviewing. I, myself, plan on reviewing a few teams but I think this would be a good idea and 1 I'd like to throw out there.
Maybe, but isn't better to be able to choose? I am eager to review some teams but I simply started with the first one that was posted, as per tradition.

We could have a requirement that a GM review at least one, ANY one, so they can choose which one strikes their fancy. But then again, simply encouraging people to do it is less heavy handed. Some people get really busy at work, school or just life (especially in the middle of the summer!).

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I had a nice long review typed up and was almost finished, and then I hit a button by mistake and it disappeared. I'll paraphrase this one

Forwards

First line has a good amount of skill, but all three players are basically the same kind of player. They're pass-first, shoot second guys, they're good skaters, and don't really bring anything in terms of toughness or defensive play. Stastny is hard to get a read on because he played the least in the NHL; he outscored/equaled early 20s Peter and late teens early 20s Anton, but he was in his prime in the mid-late 20s. I think they're going to be less than the sum of their talent. Not a big fan of Bodnar with his best years coming during/immediately after the war.

Second line has all the necessary parts to succeed. Lebedev's offense looks underwhelming for a 2nd liner in the MLD. No defensive play to speak of either.

Bottom 6 is a prototypical one, lots of grit and defensive play, not much at all in terms of offense. They'll serve their purpose. There is a very clear top and bottom 6 here.

Overall, your top 6 lacks defensive play, and the first line won't score to their talent because they're all the same player. Don't expect much offense from the bottom 6. Polar opposite top/bottom 6.

Defense

Big fan of your top pairing. Two old timers, but both good ones that bring all the necessary elements. Not as big a fan of your second pairing. I think Beauchemin is more of a 3rd pairing guy here, and how much defense did Ronan actually play, and when did he play it? I always saw him more as a C/D than a D/C. I don't know that much about him, so if you could provide more info on that, I might be able to buy him there. Gregg is a solid bottom pairing defenseman, not that big a fan of Kasparitis, but this pairing looks like they'll hit and play defense fairly well, so they're not being asked to do too much.

Goalies

I'd say Crozier is an above average starter here, you'll have an advantage here most of the time. Nicholson is a very good backup that I might like more than some starters.

PP & PK

Post them! They're an important part of your team.

Coaching

Ted Nolan always seemed to do pretty well for himself despite having teams that were mediocre in terms of talent. Not a great coach, but not the worst.
Really well done review. Motivated me to do a few of my own. Just thought you should know.

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I had a nice long review typed up and was almost finished, and then I hit a button by mistake and it disappeared. I'll paraphrase this one.
That's too bad. It would have been nice to see.

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I disagree. If you click the names I linked the bios, and both second liners bring defensive play to speak of to the second line: Don Smith was an all-around talent who worked hard, fought and was in the thick of things. Yuri Lebedev was a passionate grinder who played on the national team for a decade in their glory days for something other than his scoring: his physicality, skating, competitiveness, among other qualities. These are worthwhile qualities in one's own end of the ice.

Your review looks flippant and off the cuff. Again, I wish you hadn't "lost" your original effort. At least seventieslord appreciates it.

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Anton Stastny - Billy Reay (C) - Carson Cooper
Craig Simpson - Bronco Horvath - Anders Kallur
Milan Lucic (A) - Ulf Sterner - Cliff Koroll...
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There are a lot of good picks on this squad but can the parts mold together and operate at their best not their average?

The first line has a grinder, a two-way center and a shooter. Is there enough passing and can they all hold their own? Billy Reay was the second line two-way pivot in Montreal but his 6th and 10th in assists in a six-team league shows he had moments of offense worthy of first line play. Cooper certainly is a capable trigger man for when passes come his way. However, Lucic averaged 15 minutes a game over his six years in the NHL so he'd be better used lower in the line-up. Anton Stastny ought to be in the top 6 and Lucic would be a decent third liner in all-time competition. And Stastny could help feed Cooper, giving the line a dynamic puck controlling attack. Reay is enough of a glue guy for a first line. ...
Thanks for a balanced review, VI. We're gonna take your advice and switch Lucic and Stastny.

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I disagree. If you click the names I linked the bios, and both second liners bring defensive play to speak of to the second line: Don Smith was an all-around talent who worked hard, fought and was in the thick of things. Yuri Lebedev was a passionate grinder who played on the national team for a decade in their glory days for something other than his scoring: his physicality, skating, competitiveness, among other qualities. These are worthwhile qualities in one's own end of the ice.

Your review looks flippant and off the cuff. Again, I wish you hadn't "lost" your original effort. At least seventieslord appreciates it.
I looked through their bios again, and I'm not seeing where the substantiated defensive play comes from. The closest I see is Smith being "a steady all-around player", which is a pretty vague quote. He can definitely score, and he was tough, but I'm not seeing the defensive play. Lebedev definitely did other things for the national team that kept him on there for that long, like his competitiveness and toughness. I guess the qualities he has would mean it would make sense that he was a competent defensive player, but I wouldn't give him any more credit than that without seeing something concrete. At the same time, center is the forward position that matters by far the most in terms of defensive play, unless they're elite defensively they more or less just stand and cover the points.

I apologize if I come of as flip, that's likely because of me paraphrasing. In my full review, I backed up what I was saying and put things more eloquently. I tend to be much more on the harsh side with my assassinations. As I've said before, I find it a much more productive exercise to be harsh on teams, pushing the conversation and sparking debate instead of posting "second line looks pretty good", "he looks like a solid second pairing defenseman", or "they should be decent together". If someone is deserving of praise(like your good goaltending or strong first pairing), I'll point it out like I did, but if something is just "fine", I won't mention it.

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That's too bad. It would have been nice to see.


I disagree. If you click the names I linked the bios, and both second liners bring defensive play to speak of to the second line: Don Smith was an all-around talent who worked hard, fought and was in the thick of things. Yuri Lebedev was a passionate grinder who played on the national team for a decade in their glory days for something other than his scoring: his physicality, skating, competitiveness, among other qualities. These are worthwhile qualities in one's own end of the ice.

Your review looks flippant and off the cuff. Again, I wish you hadn't "lost" your original effort. At least seventieslord appreciates it.
That's great, but that doesn't really demonstrate defensive ability. I'd probably trust a gritty or "involved" player to be better defensively than a softer player, but only probably.

Billy explained himself well, though he really didn't have to.

There's really gotta be some criticism in the assassinations or they're just assgrabinations. Even if you have to try really hard to do it. If nothing else, it at least generates discussion and comparisons, because most people will answer it. Like you did.

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Coach: Bun Cook

Alex Shibicky - Marc Savard - Mac Colville
Alex Semin - Jaroslav Holik - Jason Pominville
Andre Boudrias - Paul Haynes - David Backes (A)
Baldy Cotton - Keith Acton (A) - Dallas Drake (C)
Olli Jokinen, Dave Reid


Doug Jarrett
- Kris Letang
Roman Hamrlik - Brent Seabrook
Anders Eldebrink - Bob Murdoch
Jack Campbell, Lou Fontinato

Wilf Cude
Arturs Irbe

PP1
Shibicky-Savard-Pominville
Hamrlik-Letang

PP2
Boudrias-Haynes-Semin
Eldebrink-Seabrook

PK1
Acton-Drake
Jarrett-Murdoch

PK2
Boudrias-Backes
Hamrlik-Seabrook
Forwards

Savard is probably the best offensive player in the draft, so you've definitely got a good start there, and you've done a good job recreating the Bread Line. Savard is no Neil Colville(no one in this draft is), but he's as good a playmaking center as you'll see. Alex and Mac were the ones that were benefiting from Neil, so their scoring will be a little down with Savard, but this is still a solid first line.

The second line is sort of strange with its components, but it works fairly well. I always saw Semin as very one-dimensional as a goalscorer, but he's actually a balanced offensive player. Pominville and Semin are both pretty soft, but Holik should help in that area. Pominville brings a little defensive ability and Holik a little I guess, making up for Semin.

Third line should definitely be difficult to play against with Boudrias and Backes. All three bring defensive ability, and Haynes/Boudrias are both good playmakers. I don't think Backes is much of a finisher to capitalize on what Boudrias/Haynes create. Despite lacking a shooter, they'll probably score more than most third lines. A nice third line that brings a little bit of everything.

Fourth line should be very difficult to play against, lots of grittiness and defensive play while also not being inept offensively either.

A well constructed group of forwards here. The top 6 is offensively talented and competent enough defensively(not strong though), and the bottom 6 can grind with the best of them, put up points, and play respectable defense. The only real weakness I can see is the lack of a shooter on the 3rd line, and maybe the fact that you don't have a true shutdown unit, but the checking-by-committee by the 3rd and 4th lines should work fine.

Defense

Kris Letang has a place in the MLD, but I don't think it's on a top pairing. I know it's just one series and the entire team was terrible, but his defense in the EC finals against the Bruins was the worst display of positioning and defensive play I've ever seen from a #1 defenseman. Jarrett fits with Letang stylistically, but I just can't trust Letang on a first pairing here. His body of work is not long enough; he has 4 years(really 3.5) of relevant work. He's been great offensively in that time, but so has Mark Streit(my #6), and his offensive resume(3, 7, 8, 9, 12) to Letang's(1, 7, 17), is better. I don't like your first pairing because of Letang.

The second pairing is a good mix of size, good skating ability for big guys, physicality, and being good offensive/defensively. Both just solid guys that you can trust, and will be a good shutdown pairing.

I'm not sure what to make of Eldebrink, his time in the NHL was early in his career and he was pretty underwhelming, but if he would have came earlier/stuck with it, I think things would have been different. He's solid enough for a bottom pairing puckmover/PP option and Murdoch compliments him well.

Second and third pairing are good enough, but I really don't like Kris Letang.

Goaltending

I don't know much about Cude, I guess I see him as an above average goalie with two second team AS selections. The 35-36 selection seems a bit odd as he played on the worst team in the league and had the worst GAA of any goalie in the league. I guess they were that bad and he kept them from being even worse. Irbe is an okay backup, but he never really impressed me, playing a lot for poor teams.

PP

First unit looks good, second unit looks pretty good other than Seabrook, who is a bit of a weak spot on an MLD power play. I think Pominville has spent some time on the point on the power play, so you could consider putting him on the point, taking Seabrook off, and maybe putting Holik at wing and letting him wreak havoc in front of the net.

PK

First unit looks fine, not as big a fan of Boudrias on the second unit. He only killed penalties in four seasons, and two of them were for Vancouver teams that were awful. You could replace him with Haynes or maybe Cotton, but I'm not sure either is a clear upgrade.

Coach

I'd say Cook is one of the better coaches in the draft, but I don't think too much of any of the coaches here and I'm not sure much separates the best from the worst.

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Shayne Corson - Claude Giroux - Johnny Gagnon
Slava Kozlov - Normie Himes - Blaine Stoughton
Shawn Burr - Bobby Carpenter - Chico Maki
Darcy Tucker - Rob Zamuner - Randy McKay
Stu Barnes, Niklas Sundström

Jyrki Lumme - Steve Chiasson
Gord Fraser - Tomas Jonsson
Dave Maloney - Warren Godfrey
Tobias Enström, Joe Reekie

Kirk McLean
Don Beaupre

Coach: Randy Carlyle

PP1: Shayne Corson - Claude Giroux - Johnny Gagnon Jyrki Lumme - Steve Chiasson
PP2: Randy McKay - Normie Himes - Blaine Stoughton Slava Kozlov - Tomas Jonsson

PK1: Rob Zamuner - Chico Maki Jyrki Lumme - Gord Fraser
PK2: Shawn Burr - Bobby Carpenter Dave Maloney - Warren Godfrey
Let me start off my reviews with this 1:

Line 1:

This line has it all. You have the sandpaper guy in Shayne Corson, the playmaker in Claude Giroux and the goal scorer in Johnny Gagnon. Corson's a guy I've always liked; His grit game is well-noted but he was also a pretty good producer for his team (7 times in the top 5 of scoring with his team). A concern for me with Corson though would be his rumoured attitude problems, other than that you got a decent player. Claude Giroux is developing into one of the top playmakers in the NHL today. Many people said he had an off-season this year but I don't see anything wrong with 47 pts. in 48 games. Don't know if he has done enough to be a 1st line centre in this yet or not but still a good selection. Gagnon serves as the goal scorer here, he was a guy I thought about picking, myself, so I like the pick. 6 10-goal seasons is pretty good given the low scoring of his era. Overall this is a good line and 1 that should do it all.

Line 2:

Good pick with Slava Kozlov, he is a guy that is sure to produce points for your team, I've always liked him as a player. Normie Himes was a guy I looked at myself and had him on my list when I picked Backstrom. The guy is going to be a playmaker on this line but he'll also score goals as well. Blaine Stoughton is an excellent goal scorer and should flourish playing with Kozlov and Himes who are both playmakers. 1 problem though with this line is a lack of grit but other than that it's a solid offensive line and would make for a believable 1st line. In fact offensively speaking I prefer this 2nd line to your 1st line.

Line 3:

Shawn Burr's your classic defensive forward and a guy I drafted in 2011, solid defensively, lacks a good offensive game but that shouldn't hurt given the fact he's on your 3rd line. Carpenter's a solid 2 way guy, he started his career as an offensive guy but then morphed into a defensive guy when he was a few seasons into his career. Regardless of the role he's a solid pickup for your team. Maki's another 2 way guy, I think he'll play more of a defensive role here but should chip in offensively if need be. Overall this is a good checking line that can chip in offensively when needed. Helps too that Burr and Carpenter are 2 of my favourites and I contemplated picking Maki.

Line 4:

Tucker's a very versatile forward and 1 who has that unique ability to get under the skin of his opponents, he's perfect for a 4th line. Rob Zamuner's an interesting case; I can remember the controversy over his being on Team Canada in 1998 but he's another player that any team needs to win. Solid pick up. Randy Mckay is another good 4th line guy, solid checker. A concern for me with this line would be lack of offense but other than that it's a solid 4th line.

Defense Pairing 1:

2 of my all time favorites comprise this list. I had Lumme on my first ever draft in this back in 2010 with Mad Arcand and thought about picking Chiasson here. Lumme reads as more of an offensive type player, guess that'll make him your power play QB. Chiasson's pretty good as well. I think both guys hold their own defensively but neither is anything special defensively so that might hurt this pairing.

Defense Pairing 2:

Gord Fraser was someone I contemplated picking, reads as a solid 2-way guy which should help this pairing a lot and it can be argued he should be pushed up to the 1st pairing. Jonsson's a good offensive guy as well and someone I've contemplated picking in the past. This is a good 2-way pairing that I like to have on my own pairings, solid pairing.

Defense Pairing 3:

I think Dave Maloney fills in the offensive role on this pairing, has a physical edge as well which should fit in well on a 3rd pairing. I picked Godfrey last year and remember the pick being celebrated, solid pick here, he reads as a classic stay at home defenseman.

Goaltending:

Kirk Mclean was on my short list when I picked Khabibulin, he was a solid goalie throughout his career, he was at his best in 1994 when Vancouver went to the finals, he's a classic MLD goalie, solid pick. Don Beaupre and I share a birthday (Sept.19), he's also a solid goalie and should fill in admirably should Mclean get injured, solid goalie duo.

Coaching:

Randy Carlyle is turning into one of the better coaches in the NHL. He's doing good things now with Toronto, he's more of a defense-first guy which should serve your team well especially given your bottom 6 forwards.

Special Teams:

No thoughts here other than that you should have Slava Kozlov as a winger on your 2nd power play and Carpenter on the point, no idea why Mckay is there, other than that solid special teams.

Extras:

Barnes should fill in if you need an extra offensive forward (I think you might). Sundstrom's a good 2 way guy. On defense you have offense first Tobias Enstrom and defense first Joe Reekie, all solid picks.

Final Thoughts:

Overall a solid entry, might lack some offensive punch on the 4th line and a true defensive defenseman on the 1st pairing but other than that a solid team. Good luck to you.

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PP1: Vickers - Lacroix - Hergesheimer - Ehrhoff - Rautakallio
PP2: Payne - Watson - Loktyov - Alexandrov - Kiessling
PK1: Burns - MacMillan - Smith - Buswell
PK2: Hampson - Loktyov - Kiessling - Ashbee
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Shawn Burr's your classic defensive forward and a guy I drafted in 2011, solid defensively, lacks a good offensive game but that shouldn't hurt given the fact he's on your 3rd line. Carpenter's a solid 2 way guy, he started his career as an offensive guy but then morphed into a defensive guy when he was a few seasons into his career. Regardless of the role he's a solid pickup for your team. Maki's another 2 way guy, I think he'll play more of a defensive role here but should chip in offensively if need be. Overall this is a good checking line that can chip in offensively when needed. Helps too that Burr and Carpenter are 2 of my favourites and I contemplated picking Maki.
Carpenter morphed out of necessity.....he started getting shoulder and then more unfortunately, knee injuries early on that robbed him of his speed. Even then, he had a couple of 25 goal seasons with the Bruins before really becoming a hardcore defensive specialist with the NJ Devils and their system.

That being said, this is as solid a 3rd line there is....almost 2800 games / 670 goals (33 SH / 137 PP), between them.


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