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08-01-2013, 06:30 PM
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Glad to hear they don't seemed worried about Kadri/Franson re-signing. The flexibility of having our farm team in the same city will really show this season. 20-21 man roster if fine when players are close by in case of injury.

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08-01-2013, 08:38 PM
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Glad to hear they don't seemed worried about Kadri/Franson re-signing. The flexibility of having our farm team in the same city will really show this season. 20-21 man roster if fine when players are close by in case of injury.
What happens on road trips? This only applies for 50 percent of the time....

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08-01-2013, 08:39 PM
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Note, it's not realistic in the least to think we're going to carry a 20 man roster with next to no capspace, but at least technically, we can sign everyone to reasonable money and get under the cap:


FORWARDS

Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Joe Colborne ($0.600m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)

DEFENSEMEN

Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Cody Franson ($4.000m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Paul Ranger ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS

Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)

OTHER

Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buried: Mark Fraser ($0.350m)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)

Matt Frattin ($0.437mó0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062mó0.1%)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $64,441,667
BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $158,333




Again, not realistic, but push comes to shove we can sign everyone and fit under the cap.

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08-01-2013, 08:43 PM
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One way contract?
Has nothing to do with demotion or promotion between the NHL and AHL.

Only affects how much the player gets paid. One way is guaranteed NHL salary. Two way is two separate salaries depending on which league the player is assigned to.

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08-01-2013, 08:49 PM
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Has nothing to do with demotion or promotion between the NHL and AHL.

Only affects how much the player gets paid. One way is guaranteed NHL salary. Two way is two separate salaries depending on which league the player is assigned to.
Doesnt liles have a no move clause? Didnt komi have to accept being sent down last year before the leafs could do it? Somehow dont see liles accepting a demotion but maybe

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08-01-2013, 09:03 PM
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Note, it's not realistic in the least to think we're going to carry a 20 man roster with next to no capspace, but at least technically, we can sign everyone to reasonable money and get under the cap:


FORWARDS

Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.000m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Joe Colborne ($0.600m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)

DEFENSEMEN

Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) / Cody Franson ($4.000m)
John-Michael Liles ($3.875m) / Paul Ranger ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS

Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($1.800m)

OTHER

Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m)
Buried: Mark Fraser ($0.350m)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)

Matt Frattin ($0.437mó0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062mó0.1%)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $64,441,667
BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $158,333




Again, not realistic, but push comes to shove we can sign everyone and fit under the cap.
Alternatively we can keep Fraser up, demote Liles, and have the exact same cap space.

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08-01-2013, 09:05 PM
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Doesnt liles have a no move clause? Didnt komi have to accept being sent down last year before the leafs could do it? Somehow dont see liles accepting a demotion but maybe
Liles has a modified No Trade Clause. Komi had a No Movement Clause.

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Has nothing to do with demotion or promotion between the NHL and AHL.

Only affects how much the player gets paid. One way is guaranteed NHL salary. Two way is two separate salaries depending on which league the player is assigned to.
Think it's a limited no-trade clause...don't believe he also has a no-movement. Someone correct me if im wrong though.

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What happens on road trips? This only applies for 50 percent of the time....
You consider that and bring extra players.That 50% of the time is saving cap space..

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08-01-2013, 10:03 PM
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Over the last 5 seasons we've learnt as a whole that anybody can be dumped for the right price. Look at Edmonton, a year ago Horcoff couldn't be given away on one of those ticket deals the Panthers have...Now he's on Dallas. The price was a pick and Phillip Larsen, who is I might add a good young Dman.
The Leafs have traded Toskala, Blake, Lebda and Slaney, not to mention a gun shy Kaberle. So it can be done.....
All deals involving us taking on more salary. Kaberle was a pending UFA.

What about Komisarek?

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08-01-2013, 10:12 PM
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All deals involving us taking on more salary. Kaberle was a pending UFA.

What about Komisarek?
The Giguere deal actually saved us money that season. We could afford to take on his salary in the next year as we had expiring contracts.

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08-01-2013, 10:47 PM
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Over the last 5 seasons we've learnt as a whole that anybody can be dumped for the right price. Look at Edmonton, a year ago Horcoff couldn't be given away on one of those ticket deals the Panthers have...Now he's on Dallas. The price was a pick and Phillip Larsen, who is I might add a good young Dman.
The Leafs have traded Toskala, Blake, Lebda and Slaney, not to mention a gun shy Kaberle. So it can be done.....
Question is, Can Nonis pull it off? I like Nonis but he does seem apprehensive. I bet Burke was like a used car salesman pitching deals

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If Poulin could give an example of a year where this team didn't go with a 23 man roster, that'd be great.
If you could give an example of a year where this team faced a cap that was shrinking by almost 6 million bucks that would also be great.

It would be interesting if Nonis pulls this off and shuts all the haters up. Going with less than 23 players for a while to save some cash would at least give Liles an opportunity to improve his value in trade. The minor league team is close by, I vaguely remember Philly sending guys down and calling them back up for games while walking the cap tightrope.

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The problem with calling guys up from the minors and sending them back down is that if you send down a guy who is not waiver exempt (how many of Toronto's guys are actually waiver exempt?), he can get claimed off waivers. A youngster like Morgan Reilly is exempt from waivers until he plays enough games and/or professional years but I think most of our depth players who won't be in the regular line up have too much professional experience to be waiver exempt. The waiver rule is in place to prevent rich teams from hoarding and stock-piling NHL-level talent in their farm teams. At least we don't have to worry about Liles getting claimed off waivers. No one is going to want to take his contract.


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That's a scary thought. 22 or 21 man roster means little room to manoeuvre on a nightly basis. Once injuries start creeping up it can be tough to move guys in and out of the lineup. Plus nobody gets a night off.
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Over the last 5 seasons we've learnt as a whole that anybody can be dumped for the right price. Look at Edmonton, a year ago Horcoff couldn't be given away on one of those ticket deals the Panthers have...Now he's on Dallas. The price was a pick and Phillip Larsen, who is I might add a good young Dman.
The Leafs have traded Toskala, Blake, Lebda and Slaney, not to mention a gun shy Kaberle. So it can be done.....
All reasons why I wonder why they had to buyout Grabo... should have been some market for him.

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All reasons why I wonder why they had to buyout Grabo... should have been some market for him.
Not at that $ figure, with that many years left on his contract, after last season.

I love Grabo but nobody would have bit.

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If Poulin could give an example of a year where this team didn't go with a 23 man roster, that'd be great.
didn't NJ do that one year when they tried to trade Mogilny to SJ to get out from his contract and then at one point played 2-3 games a man or 2 down because they were so tight to the cap.

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u only need 13 fowards, one sitting...7 defense, 1 sitting...and two goalies...if stuff happens u go to the marlies for help

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08-02-2013, 02:39 AM
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didn't NJ do that one year when they tried to trade Mogilny to SJ to get out from his contract and then at one point played 2-3 games a man or 2 down because they were so tight to the cap.
Same thing happened with Calgary a few years back.

Besides, as has been said, you only need 20 skaters to play. If it was necessary, we could go 10-20 games with only 20/21 players on-hand and build up a bit of a cap space cushion.

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Play hardball with Franny. Let's all rememeber that Subban was a better player than Franson when he signed his 2yr/2.75 per contract. Why does Franson get 3.5 or 4?

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who's the one that negotiates contracts. Is it Poulin?

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If we go with a 20 player roster we are screwed.

Playing both Orr and McLearn each and every game is absolutely pathetic. These guys can't even play hockey. They should on,y be inserted when we play tough teams.

We're basically a 3 line team with another line who shouldn't see more then 2-3 mins a game or you can guarantee a minus for that line every game.

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If we go with a 20 player roster we are screwed.

Playing both Orr and McLearn each and every game is absolutely pathetic. These guys can't even play hockey. They should on,y be inserted when we play tough teams.

We're basically a 3 line team with another line who shouldn't see more then 2-3 mins a game or you can guarantee a minus for that line every game.
McLaren: Even
Orr: +4

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All reasons why I wonder why they had to buyout Grabo... should have been some market for him.
He's not even signed now. What makes you think there would be a market for him at a much longer contract and salary? Some of that salary that the Leafs would probably have had to absorb.

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He's not even signed now. What makes you think there would be a market for him at a much longer contract and salary? Some of that salary that the Leafs would probably have had to absorb.
Should not have been bought out in the first place.

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