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08-01-2013, 11:42 PM
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If STL was to trade us Pietrangelo, they'd probably want...

Eberle
Petry
Klefbom
1st

So yeah, not happening
I'd do Eberle,1st and any prospect outside of Klef and Nurse in a heart beat.

But I bet any other team could field a better offer than that.

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08-01-2013, 11:49 PM
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I'd do Eberle,1st and any prospect outside of Klef and Nurse in a heart beat.

But I bet any other team could field a better offer than that.
Like I said, they'd want Eberle, 1st, PLUS Klefbom/Nurse, PLUS a D-man that can play now, like Petry

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08-02-2013, 12:42 AM
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Like I said, they'd want Eberle, 1st, PLUS Klefbom/Nurse, PLUS a D-man that can play now, like Petry
Yeesh. That would be such a ridiculous overpay.

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08-02-2013, 01:46 AM
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Like I said, they'd want Eberle, 1st, PLUS Klefbom/Nurse, PLUS a D-man that can play now, like Petry
Meh they could afford to send back a Forward. Pietrangelo and Sobotka for Eberle(ouch), 1st, Nurse, and Petry. I'd do that deal given what our team would look like after.

Hall-RNH-Yakupov
Perron-Gagner-Hemsky
Sobotka-Gordon-Jones
Joensuu/Hamilton-Lander-Brown
Smyth

Smid-Pietrangelo
Ference-Schultz
Schultz/Belov/Grebeshkov-Larsen


Dubnyk
Lababera

The only real soft spot in that line up is the center depth. If MacT went out and got someone like Lombardi for the 4th line I'd actually be pretty optimistic going into next season with that team.

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08-02-2013, 02:04 AM
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Pietrangelo will only be traded for a Pronger-like package.

Here are the packages Pronger has returned in his career:

1. Anaheim Ducks traded Chris Pronger and Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia Flyers for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, a 1st round selection in 2009, a 1st round selection in 2010 and a conditional round selection in 2010 or 2011.

2. Edmonton Oilers traded Chris Pronger to the Anaheim Ducks for Joffrey Lupul, Ladislav Smid, a 1st round selection in 2007, a conditional 1st round selection and a 2nd round selection in 2008.

3. St. Louis Blues traded Chris Pronger to the Edmonton Oilers for Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch.

4. St. Louis Blues traded Brendan Shanahan to the Hartford Whalers from Chris Pronger.

So the equivalent of those would be:

4. Taylor Hall for Alex Pietrangelo

3. Justin Schultz/Jeff Petry, Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse

2. Jordan Eberle/Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse/Oscar Klefbom, 1st round pick in 2014, 2nd round pick, conditional 1st round pick

1. I don't really consider this accurate because this trade was made with Pronger on the slight decline, but it'd be something like David Perron, Martin Marincin, 2 first round picks and a conditional pick.

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08-02-2013, 02:59 AM
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So the equivalent of those would be:

4. Taylor Hall for Alex Pietrangelo

3. Justin Schultz/Jeff Petry, Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse

2. Jordan Eberle/Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse/Oscar Klefbom, 1st round pick in 2014, 2nd round pick, conditional 1st round pick

1. I don't really consider this accurate because this trade was made with Pronger on the slight decline, but it'd be something like David Perron, Martin Marincin, 2 first round picks and a conditional pick.
I wouldn't do 3 or 4, but I would trade Eberle, Nurse, 2014 1st, 2015 2nd and a conditional pick for Pietrangelo.

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08-02-2013, 04:02 AM
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Nick Schultz to Isles for draft pick
Corey Potter to Wings for draft pick
Linus Omark to Coyotes for draft pick

Oilers sign Dan Cleary
Oilers claim Ryan White off waivers from Habs

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Cleary-Gordon-Hemsky
Joensuu-Smyth-Jones
Brown/White

Ference-Schultz
Smid-Petry
Belov-Grebeshkov
Larsen

Dubnyk
LaBarbera

This team makes playoffs. One more forward to add IMO

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08-02-2013, 04:02 AM
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Blues wouldn't want any package from the Oilers unless it's Yakupov/RNH going the other way. They can't afford to take on the 6M contracts that Eberle/Hall are making without getting a defenseman that can step in right now and make a difference.

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08-02-2013, 06:51 AM
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Pietrangelo will only be traded for a Pronger-like package.

Here are the packages Pronger has returned in his career:

1. Anaheim Ducks traded Chris Pronger and Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia Flyers for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, a 1st round selection in 2009, a 1st round selection in 2010 and a conditional round selection in 2010 or 2011.

2. Edmonton Oilers traded Chris Pronger to the Anaheim Ducks for Joffrey Lupul, Ladislav Smid, a 1st round selection in 2007, a conditional 1st round selection and a 2nd round selection in 2008.

3. St. Louis Blues traded Chris Pronger to the Edmonton Oilers for Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch.

4. St. Louis Blues traded Brendan Shanahan to the Hartford Whalers from Chris Pronger.

So the equivalent of those would be:

4. Taylor Hall for Alex Pietrangelo

3. Justin Schultz/Jeff Petry, Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse

2. Jordan Eberle/Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse/Oscar Klefbom, 1st round pick in 2014, 2nd round pick, conditional 1st round pick

1. I don't really consider this accurate because this trade was made with Pronger on the slight decline, but it'd be something like David Perron, Martin Marincin, 2 first round picks and a conditional pick.
Sign me up for Petry, Klefbom + Nurse or Eberle, Nurse, 1st, 2nd, (1st)

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08-02-2013, 07:18 AM
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Pietrangelo will only be traded for a Pronger-like package.

Here are the packages Pronger has returned in his career:

1. Anaheim Ducks traded Chris Pronger and Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia Flyers for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, a 1st round selection in 2009, a 1st round selection in 2010 and a conditional round selection in 2010 or 2011.

2. Edmonton Oilers traded Chris Pronger to the Anaheim Ducks for Joffrey Lupul, Ladislav Smid, a 1st round selection in 2007, a conditional 1st round selection and a 2nd round selection in 2008.

3. St. Louis Blues traded Chris Pronger to the Edmonton Oilers for Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch.

4. St. Louis Blues traded Brendan Shanahan to the Hartford Whalers from Chris Pronger.

So the equivalent of those would be:

4. Taylor Hall for Alex Pietrangelo

3. Justin Schultz/Jeff Petry, Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse

2. Jordan Eberle/Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse/Oscar Klefbom, 1st round pick in 2014, 2nd round pick, conditional 1st round pick

1. I don't really consider this accurate because this trade was made with Pronger on the slight decline, but it'd be something like David Perron, Martin Marincin, 2 first round picks and a conditional pick.
A key difference between the two situations is Pronger was a Hart trophy winner and I believe he also single handedly dragged his team to the western conf. finals in the early 2000s. What's has Pietrangelo accomplished?

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08-02-2013, 07:41 AM
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A key difference between the two situations is Pronger was a Hart trophy winner and I believe he also single handedly dragged his team to the western conf. finals in the early 2000s. What's has Pietrangelo accomplished?
This. Pronger was the most dominant defenceman in the game, maybe more-so than Lidstrom was at the time. Pietrangelo is a #1 defenceman and not at Prongers level. I would easily give up Eberle, a prospect like Nurse or Marincin and a 1st for him though.

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08-02-2013, 08:30 AM
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Quick MacT trade Eberle+ for Piets!!
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He makes alot of sense, he's the right age, can play center or the wing, and has some size. I wonder what he would take to get? Couldn't be much
Not sure what is more confusing. JBo getting 5 years at 5+mil or the talk that the Sens are actively trying to move a 4th liner.

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08-02-2013, 08:43 AM
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Not sure what is more confusing. JBo getting 5 years at 5+mil or the talk that the Sens are actively trying to move a 4th liner.
, it's the dog days man. Look, it makes sense, re the Sens, the Oilers are in need of bottom-6 depth and the Sens have it. If a player like O'Brien is available, it makes sense for the Oilers too look at him.

As for J-Bo, how do you sign that guy before geting Pietrangelo locked up.

If I'm Mac-T I'm on the phone with STL, Petry and Eberle for Pietrangelo and Cracknell

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08-02-2013, 08:47 AM
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I'd do Eberle,1st and any prospect outside of Klef and Nurse in a heart beat.

But I bet any other team could field a better offer than that.
Even Gretzky didn't get that kind of return. When you look at the history of superstar players getting traded the return is usually disappointing. Usually really good player plus prospects/picks or a few mediocre players plus prospects and picks. If St.Louis is trading him then there is obviously a reason for it. Eberle plus a defensive prospect not named Klefbom or Nurse should get it done. If they were trading him for cap reasons/didn't want to pay him what he wants we could probably get him for Klefbom, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick and any prospect besides Nurse. I'm not saying that it's fair value but historically thats what teams get.

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, it's the dog days man. Look, it makes sense, re the Sens, the Oilers are in need of bottom-6 depth and the Sens have it. If a player like O'Brien is available, it makes sense for the Oilers too look at him.

As for J-Bo, how do you sign that guy before geting Pietrangelo locked up.

If I'm Mac-T I'm on the phone with STL, Petry and Eberle for Pietrangelo and Cracknell
On O'Brien I can't really see us targeting him. Seems like he's really no different than what we already have. Now it so happened that he was coming along in a deal that included Smith/Greening then so be it.

Agree on Jbo, although who knows. Maybe STL has the green light to spend.

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On O'Brien I can't really see us targeting him. Seems like he's really no different than what we already have. Now it so happened that he was coming along in a deal that included Smith/Greening then so be it.

Agree on Jbo, although who knows. Maybe STL has the green light to spend.
Fair enough on O'Brien and you may be right, maybe he turns into a throw in a deal for Hemsky? And I also agree that Smith/Greening look like better targets for the Oilers for their bottom-6.

Maybe you can get something like this going

To OTT: Hemsky($1.5M retained) and Omark

To EDM: Smith and O'Brien

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If true, I suspect that MacT has told them find a team that wants you and we'll work on a trade with them.

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Can't believe the way people are justifying not paying Pronger-like prices for Pietrangelo.

Pietrangelo is what? 23? Pronger at that age was a very similarly talented/heralded player. He was playing 27min/game though. Different era - game was slower as recent as back then and there were 8-9 defensemen playing minutes that would make them this season's TOI leader in the NHL.

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This. Pronger was the most dominant defenceman in the game, maybe more-so than Lidstrom was at the time. Pietrangelo is a #1 defenceman and not at Prongers level. I would easily give up Eberle, a prospect like Nurse or Marincin and a 1st for him though.
When? When his partner was Al MacInnis?

That ONE series where his Oilers beat the Red Wings?

When Scott Niedermayer played Conn Smythe hockey vs the Wings in 07?

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I'd do Eberle,1st and any prospect outside of Klef and Nurse in a heart beat.

But I bet any other team could field a better offer than that.
Eberle, Musil, 2014 1st.

Klefbom-Pieterangelo
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Wow.

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When? When his partner was Al MacInnis?

That ONE series where his Oilers beat the Red Wings?

When Scott Niedermayer played Conn Smythe hockey vs the Wings in 07?
I'll gladly cast a vote that Pronger was more dominate than either Scott or Lidstrom after the 2004 lockout. And a couple of years before that.

Dick that he is I have to admit he accomplished just as much as those guys with a lot less help on a multiple different teams.

The year he dragged the Oilers to the cup final.
Then the year he dragged the Ducks to the cup final.
Then the year he dragged Philidelphia to the cup final.

And everytime he leaves a team.. it turns to complete crap.

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I have Pronger ahead of Lidstrom or Nieds on my list as well. Not a popular opinion.. but whatever.


Just a more dominant defenseman in my eyes.

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