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08-02-2013, 09:51 AM
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Definitely add Mejia to that mix.

Big fan of Syndergaard from his draft year. I think his upside is only a notch below Wheeler. Harvey/Wheeler/Syndergaard could be an excellent 1-2-3.
Everyone forgets Fulmer, too.

Fulmer is going to be a #2 at some point. Hell of a prospect.

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08-02-2013, 11:44 AM
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Everyone forgets Fulmer, too.

Fulmer is going to be a #2 at some point. Hell of a prospect.
Not in the same class as the other guys.

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08-02-2013, 12:26 PM
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You can probably put Valdespin in the category with:

Escobar
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Fernando Martinez
Valdespin was never really a hyped-up prospect though. I don't ever remember him being a top ten prospect in our system. I followed him because he was intriguing, but he never really had the status of those other guys.

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08-02-2013, 12:30 PM
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Arod and MLB are far apart in negotiations. Arod is walking a fine line IMO
There are some that now think MLB doesn't have the strong evidence that was suggested, otherwise this would be over.
Now, I don't know about that. I think there are other things going on so it's a delay.

I think Arod is trying to get the suspension reduced. Hence no agreement yet.

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08-02-2013, 12:47 PM
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There are some that now think MLB doesn't have the strong evidence that was suggested, otherwise this would be over.
Now, I don't know about that. I think there are other things going on so it's a delay.

I think Arod is trying to get the suspension reduced. Hence no agreement yet.
If thats the case I really hope he doesn't settle.

The courts won't hold up the MLB's witch hunt.

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08-02-2013, 01:15 PM
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There are some that now think MLB doesn't have the strong evidence that was suggested, otherwise this would be over.
Now, I don't know about that. I think there are other things going on so it's a delay.

I think Arod is trying to get the suspension reduced. Hence no agreement yet.
Pure speculation. A-Rod is trying to decide between accepting a suspension for this year and next, and being able to give a Ryan Braun-type BS mistakes 'apology' without actually admitting anything, and being banned for lifetime, going to an arbitrator or court, and having all the evidence bared to the public. With luck he would get the lifetime ban reduced to...being suspended this year and next.

He's probably trying to figure out which alternative is less painful for him.

Either way Selig has finally got him.

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08-02-2013, 01:20 PM
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Selig couldve "gotten" everyone in the late 90s.

He decided not to, because ratings were up after the sport was looking dead in America.

This entire thing makes me so angry.

If it were up to me, nobody would be suspended.

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08-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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Thanks to the union drug testing didn't begin until 2003. And even then the union made sure the testing was as minimal as possible, with no ramifications whatsoever for the cheater who was caught.

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08-02-2013, 01:28 PM
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Thanks to the union drug testing didn't begin until 2003. And even then the union made sure the testing was as minimal as possible, with no ramifications whatsoever for the cheater who was caught.
MLB had a chance to change that. They claimed they wanted drug testing in the late 90s or early 00s but ended up taking other concessions from the PA instead.

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08-02-2013, 01:30 PM
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Selig couldve "gotten" everyone in the late 90s.

He decided not to, because ratings were up after the sport was looking dead in America.

This entire thing makes me so angry.

If it were up to me, nobody would be suspended.
Wouldnt be the first time a blind eye was turned to ethics when everyone was making money. Certainly wont be the last.

I'd rather watch paint dry than watch baseball. And, as you seemed to insinuate, its only gotten more boring since theyve tried to clean up the game. I miss the days of juicers throwing broken bats at people.

I watch hockey, football, and boxing primarily. 3 sports that have a whole different set of problems, but they always keep me entertained.

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08-02-2013, 01:35 PM
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Wouldnt be the first time a blind eye was turned to ethics when everyone was making money. Certainly wont be the last.

I'd rather watch paint dry than watch baseball. And, as you seemed to insinuate, its only gotten more boring since theyve tried to clean up the game. I miss the days of juicers throwing broken bats at people.

I watch hockey, football, and boxing primarily. 3 sports that have a whole different set of problems, but they always keep me entertained.
I don't believe that steroids make anyone better. But, to those who do believe it.. a blind eye was turned not only in the late 90s, but for a decade prior to that as well.

Now they try to act high and mighty by slamming the hammer down on A-Rod, its really quite sickening.

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MLB had a chance to change that. They claimed they wanted drug testing in the late 90s or early 00s but ended up taking other concessions from the PA instead.
Back then the union considered drug testing an invasion of privacy and wouldn't even discuss it during CBA negotiations. The came from the Marvin Miller stance stating he would never allow drug testing of baseball players.

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08-02-2013, 01:44 PM
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I don't believe that steroids make anyone better. But, to those who do believe it.. a blind eye was turned not only in the late 90s, but for a decade prior to that as well.

Now they try to act high and mighty by slamming the hammer down on A-Rod, its really quite sickening.
How so? If not for steriods, how did Barry Bonds go from hitting 30 HR's a year to 70+ in his mid-late 30's?

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08-02-2013, 01:49 PM
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Back then the union considered drug testing an invasion of privacy and wouldn't even discuss it during CBA negotiations. The came from the Marvin Miller stance stating he would never allow drug testing of baseball players.
And it was a stance supported by the membership. They did what they were supposed to do.

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08-02-2013, 01:53 PM
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How so? If not for steriods, how did Barry Bonds go from hitting 30 HR's a year to 70+ in his mid-late 30's?
Theres no scientific evidence that roids help in any way.

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How so? If not for steriods, how did Barry Bonds go from hitting 30 HR's a year to 70+ in his mid-late 30's?
mcgwire also hit 70 at age 35. Sosa went from a career high 40 to 66 as well. Bonds went from career high 49 to 73,

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MLB also juiced the balls. That probably was the biggest thing.

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MLB also juiced the balls. That probably was the biggest thing.
Theres more evidence that steroids help performance than that happening.

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Theres more evidence that steroids help performance than that happening.
Is there?

If roids helped as much as people say they do, why doesn't every player whos taken them show improvement?

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08-02-2013, 02:15 PM
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Is there?

If roids helped as much as people say they do, why doesn't every player whos taken them show improvement?
Because you still have to have the talent to hit the ball? Everyones body reacts differently? Training regimens when on them need to change. etc.

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Because you still have to have the talent to hit the ball? Everyones body reacts differently? Training regimens when on them need to change. etc.
Why can't this be said when people try to say roids help, then?

You still have to have the talent. So, it can turn a good player into a great player but not a minor leaguer into a major leaguer? Why is that so easy to pass off as true but saying Barry Bonds was the best hitter of his generation roids or no roids not true?

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Arod, Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Clemens etc had talent, they just make them stronger, quicker, able to heal faster. you still have to have talent

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Arod, Bonds, Sosa, Mcgwire, Clemens etc had talent, they just make them stronger, quicker, able to heal faster. you still have to have talent
So easy to say, yet so hard to prove.

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suspensions coming Monday according to Heyman.

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@Fire Sather These players aren't putting this poison in their bodies for nothing. Steroids obviously helps a great deal.

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