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08-02-2013, 11:22 PM
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How dare he ice almost the same team that won the division! How dare he!
In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.

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08-02-2013, 11:41 PM
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the only thing that bothers me is that bergevin is trying to get the best of both world: rebuild while contending. i don't think it can work, but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. signing danny b is a rebuild while contending move, signing some random 6'+ dude that can barely play the game for the third line is a flat-out rebuild move.
No. Wrong. Bergy is rebuilding while competing.And that is part of his job. I wish this board could grasp this.

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08-02-2013, 11:50 PM
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No. Wrong. Bergy is rebuilding while competing.And that is part of his job. I wish this board could grasp this.
Good post as always.

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08-03-2013, 12:14 AM
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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
Imagine if we would have gotten a top 5 pick this year. My god !!!!

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08-03-2013, 12:18 AM
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Good post as always.
Thanks DA. Very likely we are the only two guys awake right now on this board, given our locations.

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08-03-2013, 12:22 AM
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Imagine if we would have gotten a top 5 pick this year. My god !!!!
Exactement mon amis. The shortened season did not help the Habs. We might have picked in top ten with a full season.

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08-03-2013, 02:08 AM
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Holy cow. Some of you guys need to get a grip.

People are acting like Bergevin has just been sitting on his hands the whole summer. I hope you people realize that some things are beyond his control (asking price for players, free agent market vs. the teams salary cap, etc.)

Do people here honestly believe that on July 5th, Bergevin was sitting in his office going "Ryane Clowe? HA! Who needs him!? And tell David Clarkson's agent that he can kiss my ass!"

He may prove to be Gainey/Gauthier-esque in the long run but it's only been a year.

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08-03-2013, 02:26 AM
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I hope not. Unless he thinks a smurf squad would benefit from regular season officiating re penalties and power play time, and plans to trade in order to make the team at least normal-sized by the trade deadline.

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08-03-2013, 06:59 AM
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I hope not...
not a chance

he brought in Briere for 2 years for a reason

he will pull off some big moves at some point

I will be shocked if DD, DB, BG,TP, and Gio all start the season in October

totally shocked

there were feelers for Pleks last year , Gio is in his last year and so is Markov

DD is moveable , this puzzle isnt finished

simply put if he does nothing , we will be drafting in the lottery

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08-03-2013, 07:03 AM
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Exactement mon amis. The shortened season did not help the Habs. We might have picked in top ten with a full season.
exactly and thats why we are nuts to say we ended up in second and basing our success on that

now with this new format , and Detroit to deal with we are not a lock for a playoff cause even the wild card will be difficult

our d stinks period and needs a major overhaul

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08-03-2013, 07:14 AM
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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
we will only go as far as Price , Galchy , Eller , Gallagher , Max and Pk perform

if Price slumps again we wont make the playoffs , and if the others have medicore years its over

the rest of the playing roster minus a few kids on d have no upside and wont make a difference

THE CORE ABOVE DICTATE THE YEAR

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08-03-2013, 07:20 AM
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Exactement mon amis. The shortened season did not help the Habs. We might have picked in top ten with a full season.
See, I get the appeal of this idea, but I think the benefits of picking top-10 are outweighed by the disastrous effect it would have on the team as a whole. So much of this game is mental. The teams that step up in the playoffs possess a store of confidence that acts as an extra gear when it's needed most. That gear is fuelled by victory -- knowing how to win, knowing you can win, knowing you can come back to win, feeling like winning is always within your grasp if you reach far enough.

Winning isn't just a sum of parts, it's a mindset that develops into a kind of muscle-memory. Do it enough and it becomes easier to repeat. Fail enough and it becomes easier to fail, because you expect to fail.

Detroit went way farther than their mediocre season because they have that mental victory-gear; same with LA and Boston. Their players win because they know what winning is supposed to feel like. Montreal discovered how to win last season and, for awhile anyway, rode that confidence to a division winning season. An experience like that is a major deposit in the confidence bank; no friggin' way do we want to empty it out and start again.

It makes me wonder how much more valuable guys like Galchenyuk and Gallagher might become, because they started their careers on a winning team and have learned how to win.

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08-03-2013, 07:29 AM
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Sadly... yes. Bergevin has been trying to get a deal done for the past 2 months and everything has fallen through. The asking prices are just too high because other teams are aware of what we need, and are jacking up the prices.

The sad line up you see right now, will most likely be the one you see on opening night.

It's going to be a long season.
This team finished 2nd in conference, overachieved no doubts, but the youngsters are one year older and imo gallys are only getting better, Subban is one beast out there, Price could bounce back to have a career year. The young core still supported by quality, talented cast. A bit soft, but faster and craftier. Sure, that dont win cups, but im not expecting facepalms all season.

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08-03-2013, 07:57 AM
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Since 2008 the Bruins have been really impressive. They were just an average team before that, just like the Habs were too.
But they needed the draft to build some value to get players . They didn't get players like wheeler kessel and thornton by being agressive

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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
Pretty good chance that every one of those things happen IMO, except maybe number 2. I think the Gallys should be alright.

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08-03-2013, 09:18 AM
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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
I agree, although, you also forgot to mention injuries which are unavoidable.
So if all your points actually come true, along with injuries, then I expect us to get the best chance to pick 1-3.

Also, if Price is mediocre yet again, he needs to be traded. This is a make or break year for him imo.

EDIT: my bad about the injuries. for some reason I didn't see #10.


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08-03-2013, 09:21 AM
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I agree, although, you also forgot to mention injuries which are unavoidable.
So if all your points actually come true, along with injuries, then I expect us to get the best chance to pick 1-3.

Also, if Price is mediocre yet again, he needs to be traded. This is a make or break year for him imo.
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In trying to stay positive, one thing to consider in the addition of Briere is that he's one of the league's best in drawing penalties. We're likely to hear more "refs favor the Habs" on the main boards all season because of this. Grit is overrated when you have tons of powerplays.

Unfortunately, the time-tested rule of whistles-go-away-in-the-playoffs is still a big worry for us, as we don't have nearly as much of a grinding team as many other that are set to go deep this season.

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You know, I was looking at capgeek.com this morning and I take back my statement about it being unlikely that Bergevin could still make any moves. There are several teams in serious cap crunch and it's perhaps what Bergevin is waiting for. It is a game of cat and mouse and he might be able to get a decent player (or two) in trades at a reasonable price. We'll have to wait and see...

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The amount of whining on this board is ludicrous. Bergevin will not make a "panic" trade because he is building a winner in 3-5 years, not now. We went on a losing streak, so does every team in the league! Despite that we still finished 2nd.

I'm not worried and I hope we ice this lineup (maybe with Morrow or even Murray as the 7th Dman if Tinordi needs more seasoning). I suppose I'm in the minority though.

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The amount of whining on this board is ludicrous. Bergevin will not make a "panic" trade because he is building a winner in 3-5 years, not now. We went on a losing streak, so does every team in the league! Despite that we still finished 2nd.

I'm not worried and I hope we ice this lineup (maybe with Morrow or even Murray as the 7th Dman if Tinordi needs more seasoning). I suppose I'm in the minority though.
You may be in the minority, but rest assured that there are others here that share your views.
Like it or not the lineup we have is what we've been dealt and what MB has to build from. We can hope / wish / pray to make all the moves we want but it takes willing trade partners at somewhat reasonable prices.
So trade away your Giontas, Markovs and plekanecs of this team - the question is who will your replacement be and what will the return be?

For the time being I have trust in MB and the front office he's assembled, although not perfect, he seems to have a plan let's give him the chance to execute.

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I think the organization is heading in the right direction, remains to be seen if Montreal fans in general can deal with a few years of rebuilding.
Our fanbase can't even handle it right now... we just finished second place last season in year one of our rebuild, had a bad finish, and the fanbase can't even handle that.

I think these boards are about to get real ugly in the next couple of seasons...

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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre

2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
The bolded points are what i think is likely to actually happen. The non bolded still have a possibility, but not really likely, the least likely being #2.

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08-03-2013, 12:38 PM
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In 48 games, fading at the end.

If the following happens, we will be looking at a top 10 pick:

1. Price is mediocre
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps.
3. Briere is Briere of last year.
4. Bourque does a disappearing act.
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size.
6. Moen continues to play with no heart.
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent.
8. Tinordi struggles.
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT.
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D.

That is a lot of things that can go wrong. Not saying that all of that will happen, but if it does, then top 5 pick looks likely.

This team simply has too many question marks. That's why I call it a building team.

Still, should be a fun season, and I cheer for Habs through the best, and the worst.
Seeing your post quoted so many times (and here's one more!) made me notice something interesting: Most of your points already happened this past season.

1. Price is mediocre (already happened. Price started great but ended up mediocre to poor)
2. Gally and Chuckie have sophomore slumps. (Might happen. More likely Gallagher regresses a bit but Galchenyuk improves. Net gain, IMO)
3. Briere is Briere of last year.(Very possible. We might lose some goals with Briere replacing Ryder)
4. Bourque does a disappearing act. (Bourque disappeared for half the season with that concussion)
5. DD does not adjust his play and learn how to be effective at his size. (Ahem...already happened.)
6. Moen continues to play with no heart. (Sigh... already happened.)
7. Parros does not fight smaller tough guys who **** with our talent. (Even if that happens, nobody filled that role last season anyway, so no net loss)
8. Tinordi struggles. (Possible)
9. No forward prospect steps it up. I'm looking at you, LL. And also CT. (This wouldn't make us any worse than last year, just not any better)
10. We have more than average injury problems. This is very likely on D. (The big x-factorthat no one can predict)

I know you were just giving a worst-case scenario and not actually predicting these things to happen, but it seems that the Habs played last season with most of those worst-case examples in place -- and still won their division. The biggest and most unpredictable element is injuries. I agree that we would be screwed if a couple of key D go down.

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People will cry about the opening roster.

The team will do great.

People will "act surprised" that they are not smarter than a pro hockey organization and say that much of this was due to luck of x happening to y.

C'est la vie.

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The amount of whining on this board is ludicrous. Bergevin will not make a "panic" trade because he is building a winner in 3-5 years, not now. We went on a losing streak, so does every team in the league! Despite that we still finished 2nd.

I'm not worried and I hope we ice this lineup (maybe with Morrow or even Murray as the 7th Dman if Tinordi needs more seasoning). I suppose I'm in the minority though.
Heard the same excuses under Gainey/Gauthier. I have no issue with Bergy's plan....but this blind support of all of hit moves and non-moves is so typical. I'm not a fan of what he has done thus far but am willing to give him more time.

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