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08-04-2013, 05:51 AM
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I wouldn't wait all August with baited breath for Stepan. They have no real deadline, so they'll take as long as they please.

Watch people turn on Stepan if he holds out same way they turned on Dubinsky.

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08-04-2013, 06:16 AM
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Watch people turn on Stepan if he holds out same way they turned on Dubinsky.
watch out for a 2012 Dubinsky season from step

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Watch people turn on Stepan if he holds out same way they turned on Dubinsky.
They won't. Stepan is the golden boy.

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watch out for a 2012 Dubinsky season from step
Dubi's holdout was in 2009. He put up 44 points in 69 games that year, and 54 in 77 the following year. It wasn't until he got the big bucks that his production dipped.

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08-04-2013, 08:56 AM
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According to Larry Brooks, in the*NY Post, the Rangers have not yet started negotiating contract extensions with Henrik Lundqvist, Dan Girardi or Ryan Callahan yet.It had been previously noted that the Rangers andCallahan had not yet started*negotiating but the Rangers have at*least met with the representatives for*Henrik Lundqvist.Brooks asked GM Glen Sather what the holdup has been and Sather responded “we will be talking.”He notes that while the Rangers do have until late June 2014 until their exclusive window to negotiate with these players will end, nothing good can come from waiting or trying to negotiate during the season.Girardi, Lundqvist and Callahan are the three longest tenured Rangers.Adam Rotter:*Hiring a new coach and having four key UFAs, one still unsigned, took precedent over starting extension talks with these players. As it gets closer to training camp, these talks will start to happen and the Rangers will look to get all three done before the season or shortly after.

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08-04-2013, 09:14 AM
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Really ? Sorry you feel that way. Maybe I was letting you know how I get a lot of my insights .

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Really ? Sorry you feel that way. Maybe I was letting you know how I get a lot of my insights .
I understand what you and him are saying but it isn't cool to toot horn too much.

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08-04-2013, 11:15 AM
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Henrik wants to play until he is 40

http://www.gp.se/sport/ishockey/1.18...aniserat-kaos-

I saw the Brooks column when I got home early this morning. He wrote $5.4M for Girardi using Bouwmeester's $5.4M extension. I read it again now. $5.4M for Girardi? Reverse those numbers. $4.5M. Bieksa is making $4.6M. Somewhere in the $4.5M range.

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08-04-2013, 11:21 AM
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Henrik wants to play until he is 40

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I saw the Brooks column when I got home early this morning. He wrote $5.4M for Girardi using Bouwmeester's $5.4M extension. I read it again now. $5.4M for Girardi? Reverse those numbers. $4.5M. Bieksa is making $4.6M. Somewhere in the $4.5M range.
Agreed. $4.5M is a good number for Girardi.

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08-04-2013, 11:29 AM
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What will Callahan get? If he wants a long term deal at 5.5 or so, is think about letting him walk.

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Bieksa signed his deal 2 years ago when the cap was 64.3. The cap is likely to be 70 or more in 2014. I think Girardi will get 5 mil per for 4 or 5 years, and that's a fair deal IMO.

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08-04-2013, 11:54 AM
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What will Callahan get? If he wants a long term deal at 5.5 or so, is think about letting him walk.
Dustin Brown just signed an 8 year deal worth $5.875M per year.

http://capgeek.com/player/1005

It's not unrealistic to think Callahan will get anything lower than $5M.

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08-04-2013, 12:34 PM
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What will Callahan get? If he wants a long term deal at 5.5 or so, is think about letting him walk.
Definite no on just a walk.
But Buff would surely overpay.
And Edmonton needs a top G.

With a basic premise of:
R. Callahan to Buffalo
R. Miller to Edmonton (Miller agrees to 3 yr extension)
J. Schultz to Rangers

what additional pieces, if any, need to be added to make the deal more irresistible?


PS there is a thread about Nashville wanting help, the OP saying Jones would ONLY be considered moved for a top LD.

If we made the above three way, and then figured out something around Staal + to Nashville for Jones,

We could have McD + great D on the left and add both J Schultz and Jones on the right!

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08-04-2013, 12:57 PM
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Losing Callahan for Justin Schultz is something I'd rather avoid.

Also, 5.6 for Girardi? LOL

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I never understood the whole ******** about "not wanting to negotiate in-season"

Just an excuse to gain more leverage and get closer to free agency.

Its not like the players are the ones talking.. they have an agent, who cares when the talks take place?

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08-04-2013, 01:42 PM
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Losing Callahan for Justin Schultz is something I'd rather avoid.

Also, 5.6 for Girardi? LOL
He can certainly get that on the open market. However, if he is asking that from the Rangers; I would hope they would let him walk.

We are so loaded at D in terms of development. Not to mention, Girardi doesn't really address the need for a right handed triggerman for the PP. If we are going to spend that type of money, it better be for someone who fits that description.

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He can certainly get that on the open market. However, if he is asking that from the Rangers; I would hope they would let him walk.

We are so loaded at D in terms of development. Not to mention, Girardi doesn't really address the need for a right handed triggerman for the PP. If we are going to spend that type of money, it better be for someone who fits that description.
You are 100% correct. The open market is a loose cannon, free for all. I don't doubt for a minute that G could garner money above 5 per.

I'd just rather it not be us.

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08-04-2013, 02:30 PM
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I like your insight but you toot your own horn way to much.
If you don't care for Dagoon's self-promotion, you are at the wrong message board.

I would actually like a Schultz-Callahan trade. Don't think you'd need a third team in there, though. Edmonton would love Callahan. Maybe then send Girardi to Ottawa for Michalek...?

But I fully expect the Rangers to sign both of them for far too much money.

If you want Girardi at $4.5 million, you better be prepared to for 6-7 years, something I have no interest in.

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08-04-2013, 02:41 PM
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Whatever we might think of him as a Ranger, Girardi is highly regarded around the league.

I'd be surprised if he got under $5m.

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08-04-2013, 02:54 PM
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If you don't care for Dagoon's self-promotion, you are at the wrong message board.

I would actually like a Schultz-Callahan trade. Don't think you'd need a third team in there, though. Edmonton would love Callahan. Maybe then send Girardi to Ottawa for Michalek...?

But I fully expect the Rangers to sign both of them for far too much money.

If you want Girardi at $4.5 million, you better be prepared to for 6-7 years, something I have no interest in.
Same here.

If I were looking to move Callahan I'd try to pry Alex Steen out of St. Louis. Good 2 way player, better than Callahan at ES, slightly worse at special teams but still plays both the PP and the PK, should be ~$1M cheaper on his extension while IMO being a more valuable player. The only concern is his health, he has never played 100% of the games in any season of his career.

Girardi is a tougher one, he is a complementary defenceman but he still logs a ton of minutes which could make him expensive. But OTOH with Staal and McD he fits the makeup of the team like a glove so what we'd want is someone like Girardi but not expensive.

Girardi for Petry+Protected 1st?

Hopefully Moore can handle the right side well enough to lessen Girardi's leverage, so we can keep him/let him go without destroying the team.

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Girardi will easily get $5.5M. Paul Martin got $5M. Wideman got $5.2M. Streit got $5.25M.

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Girardi will easily get $5.5M. Paul Martin got $5M. Wideman got $5.2M. Streit got $5.25M.
Gonchar got $5 million FFS (2 year deal, but still).

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there were a lot of teams high on McIrath Idk how people arent excited to get him in the NHL I wish he was ready to bounce Stralman..
I like McIlrath.

I think he has more talent than people give him credit for, while I also think he is a little rougher around the edges than his biggest boosters acknowledge.

However, and I think this is something guys like Clarke and Co would sign under on instantly, there is a big bust potential with a player like McIlrath.

I believe many, me included, is a bit afraid of that too. I don't mind "6th D" one bit. I really don't. You can find steals at 10, but many really high draft picks never become that great at all. And if you go BPA, you can get someone who isnt what you are tryin to build. McI got a tremendous physical prescense. He will give this org an improved physical attitude if he plays here.

The problem is just if he never is better than the competition. If he never becomes better than Moore/Stralman and he likes.

I think he has come a long way from two seasons ago. Establishing yourself in the AHL is never easy.

Now he just gotta take that last step.

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Girardi will easily get $5.5M. Paul Martin got $5M. Wideman got $5.2M. Streit got $5.25M.
Paul Martin had a down year in 2011-12, but I'd argue that he is a similarly valuable player to Girardi.

Wideman and Streit are PPQB's who always are paid more than Girardi-types.

Add the fact that these players were signed on the open market and not extended (well Streit wasn't but his rights were traded yada, yada, yada...) and Girardi could go for less than 5.5M. I hope. He isn't worth that kind of money IMO, but we also cannot afford to let him walk.

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Rangers will have to pay the market prices as Brooks already mentioned sooner or later. I'd rather do so with our own guys

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