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Prospect Poll #17

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Aaltonen 0 0%
Besse 0 0%
Bobkov 1 2.17%
Clark 2 4.35%
Cooper 0 0%
Cramarossa 0 0%
Friberg 9 19.57%
Gagne 0 0%
Grant 0 0%
Heed 0 0%
Helgeson 0 0%
Illo 0 0%
Kurtz 0 0%
Laganiere 15 32.61%
Lind 0 0%
Manson 0 0%
Megna 0 0%
O'Brien 0 0%
Page 0 0%
Pryor 0 0%
Sarault 1 2.17%
Thompson 2 4.35%
Wagner 16 34.78%
Warg 0 0%
Whitney 0 0%
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08-01-2013, 07:53 PM
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Prospect Poll #17

Welinski lands in 16th with a measly 24%.

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08-01-2013, 08:00 PM
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Wagner. Hard to believe @ 17 we still have multiple guys with a decent shot at an NHL career. Maybe even a couple have top 6/top 4 upside still.

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I went with Lags on this one. Think he'll be better than Wagner in the long term. I do think Wagner could compete for the 4th line job if he is gritty and wins draws in training camp. I still don't know how BM would feel about giving Rakell or Holland 4th line minutes if Bonino beats him out. I would still expect one of those two to be up on opening day.

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08-01-2013, 10:21 PM
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Just for comparison sake.

Wagner as a college sophomore 17 goals 34 assists

Laganiere as a college sophomore 5 goals 8 assists

In fact as a senior Laganiere didn't even have as many points as Wagner did as a sophomore. All Laganiere has going for him is size and signing as a free agent. Still not sure why he gets the love he gets.

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Just for comparison sake.

Wagner as a college sophomore 17 goals 34 assists

Laganiere as a college sophomore 5 goals 8 assists

In fact as a senior Laganiere didn't even have as many points as Wagner did as a sophomore.
You can run into some funny conclusions using this formula, for example:

Beleskey as a 19 year old (OHL) 62 41 49 90

Holland as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 37 51 88

DSP as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 36 30 66

Rakell as a 19 year old (OHL) 40 21 23 44

If I asked you to rank those four guys by their probability to produce offense in the NHL, do you think that order would stay the same? I'm not trying to sound like I'm on some huge Wagner downer, but him out-producing Laganiere or anyone else at the college level does not mean he has more offensive upside as a pro. It's a different game.

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08-02-2013, 12:57 AM
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You can run into some funny conclusions using this formula, for example:

Beleskey as a 19 year old (OHL) 62 41 49 90

Holland as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 37 51 88

DSP as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 36 30 66

Rakell as a 19 year old (OHL) 40 21 23 44

If I asked you to rank those four guys by their probability to produce offense in the NHL, do you think that order would stay the same? I'm not trying to sound like I'm on some huge Wagner downer, but him out-producing Laganiere or anyone else at the college level does not mean he has more offensive upside as a pro. It's a different game.
I somewhat agree with your point but that order isn't too far fetched. Rakell outproduced DSP he just played far less. Holland should produce the most out of that group and either Beleskey or Rakell should be second.

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Turns out Wagner had almost 4 times more points than Laganiere in sophomore season. Yes, points doesn`t tell all the story, but that is impressive amount. Wags already have a pro season under his belt. I think Wagner deserves a spot above Laganiere.

However, i voted Sarault.
Had a good few game stint in Norfolk. He have a top 6 potential that Wagner and Laganiere doesn`t have, imo. Although, if he even reaches it, he`s still few years away. But he have been known as a late bloomer, so i am willing to wait.

I would take Wagner after Sarault, but i believe Wags will not be around then here.

I`ve heard a comparison of Sarault - Desharnais. Atlhough Sarault is a little bigger. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11122


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You can run into some funny conclusions using this formula, for example:

Beleskey as a 19 year old (OHL) 62 41 49 90

Holland as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 37 51 88

DSP as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 36 30 66

Rakell as a 19 year old (OHL) 40 21 23 44

If I asked you to rank those four guys by their probability to produce offense in the NHL, do you think that order would stay the same? I'm not trying to sound like I'm on some huge Wagner downer, but him out-producing Laganiere or anyone else at the college level does not mean he has more offensive upside as a pro. It's a different game.
I guess I could have gone further into why I think Wagner is much better, I just found it silly to get into a long debate over who should be our 17th ranked prospect. I understand your point though.

I will say I'm not basing things purely on stats(I've seen both play). And to your point the only player on your list who is an NHL regular is the guy who had the most points. But if you look at PPG all 4 of these guys are pretty close. If you compare Wagner and Lags PPG however it is not.

Again I get your point, and I don't want to get into a huge debate over this. I just feel there is a big difference in skillset between Wagner and Lags, but think in this instance Lags gets a lot of hype because he was signed as a college UFA.

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Votes Lags, didn't realize Wagner was still available. So I would change my vote to him.

I think they're close though.

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Still Wagner. Like Laganiere though. He's next.

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You can run into some funny conclusions using this formula, for example:

Beleskey as a 19 year old (OHL) 62 41 49 90

Holland as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 37 51 88

DSP as a 19 year old (OHL) 67 36 30 66

Rakell as a 19 year old (OHL) 40 21 23 44

If I asked you to rank those four guys by their probability to produce offense in the NHL, do you think that order would stay the same? I'm not trying to sound like I'm on some huge Wagner downer, but him out-producing Laganiere or anyone else at the college level does not mean he has more offensive upside as a pro. It's a different game.
Rakell's ppg was higher than DSP's. Not exactly the best comparison.

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Rakell's ppg was higher than DSP's. Not exactly the best comparison.
The main point was that Beleskey had the most productive 19 year old season in the OHL yet Holland and Rakell both are more highly touted offensively. Why? Because scouts expect their offense to translate to the next level. All I'm trying to say is that #s are not the only indicator of potential.

Let's just agree on how awesome it is to have legit NHL prospects to debate over this far down the list.

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I get the argument. The numbers used to back it up didn't mean anything when it came to rakell and dsp who I assumed were being compared.

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Went with Thompson. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people. He and Wagner should be the next two off the board at this point. Just don't see much upside on Laganiere, but he's an interesting skillset.

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Thompson seems like a pretty good player who's not great at anything.

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Thompson seems like a pretty good player who's not great at anything.
This is me guessing based on reading not watching, but he sounds like the kind of player who is playing a good game when you don't notice him. Kind of like Lydman. I like players like that.

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