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NJD - ANA - OTT (+NYR twist)

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08-05-2013, 11:21 AM
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NJD - ANA - OTT (+NYR twist)



Jason Spezza
Eric Gryba







Adam Henrique
Damon Severson







Mark Fayne
William Karlsson
OTT 1st round pick 2014
NJD 2nd round pick 2014











Ottawa offer sheets Derek Stepan: $30M, 5 years. $6M cap hit. 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks compensation.







New Jersey does it because they have no #1 centre. They want to finish as high as possible this coming season because they have no 1st round pick. Spezza helps with that immensely. Gryba is not as good as Fayne but can fill in the top 4 and not look out of place.

Anaheim does it because Koivu is getting old and could use a long term 2nd line centre to play behind Getzlaf. The prospect pool is also forward heavy and Severson is a nice piece to add with their ageing blueline.

Ottawa does it to upgrade their defense with a legit top 4 right shooting defenseman. They also get a younger #1 centre who fits in better with his two-style.

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08-05-2013, 11:25 AM
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Jason Spezza
Eric Gryba







Adam Henrique
Damon Severson







Mark Fayne
William Karlsson
OTT 1st round pick 2014
NJD 2nd round pick 2014











Ottawa offer sheets Derek Stepan: $30M, 5 years. $6M cap hit. 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks compensation.







New Jersey does it because they have no #1 centre. They want to finish as high as possible this coming season because they have no 1st round pick. Spezza helps with that immensely. Gryba is not as good as Fayne but can fill in the top 4 and not look out of place.

Anaheim does it because Koivu is getting old and could use a long term 2nd line centre to play behind Getzlaf. The prospect pool is also forward heavy and Severson is a nice piece to add with their ageing blueline.

Ottawa does it to upgrade their defense with a legit top 4 right shooting defenseman. They also get a younger #1 centre who fits in better with his two-style.
So OTT gains their own 1st rounder?? Score!
EDIT: Okay, forgot the Ryan trade.

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08-05-2013, 11:25 AM
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That is a terrible offer for the sens.

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08-05-2013, 11:26 AM
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Spezza + Gryba for Henrique, Severson, Fayne and a 2nd
hmmm

pretty damn appealing but too many quality pieces to make me immediately accept.

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So OTT gains their own 1st rounder?? Score!
They traded it away for Bobby Ryan


...and Ottawa gets hosed in this proposal. Gives up 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Spezza, Gryba for Stepan, W. Karlsson, Fayne and a 2nd.

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This is so, so bad for Ottawa.

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Just terrible.

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Sens can't offer sheet Stepan without their 1st...

Edit: I is dumb


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Sens can't offer sheet Stepan without their 1st...
Read the OP

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They traded it away for Bobby Ryan


...and Ottawa gets hosed in this proposal. Gives up 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Spezza, Gryba for Stepan, W. Karlsson, Fayne and a 2nd.
It's even worse than that. The Sens are getting Stepan from an offer sheet.

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Sens can't offer sheet Stepan without their 1st...
which is why they re-acquire their 1st in the proposed deal..

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Brutal trade for Ottawa.

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If this trade did happen, i would lose faith in the sens organization.

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I don't understand how this is bad for Ottawa.


Fayne is a legit top 4. The Sens upgrade their defense and don't miss a beat at centre.

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Well congratulations Turris, you are our 1st line center as NYR matched the offer sheet.

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Well congratulations Turris, you are our 1st line center as NYR matched the offer sheet.
Make it 6.5 then

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6.5 for Stepan? Horrible over payment and no guarantee it even happens.

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Devils never do that

Henrique and Severson alone is too much. Add Fayne and a 2nd ...... No thanks

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That is a terrible offer for the sens.
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They traded it away for Bobby Ryan


...and Ottawa gets hosed in this proposal. Gives up 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Spezza, Gryba for Stepan, W. Karlsson, Fayne and a 2nd.
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This is so, so bad for Ottawa.
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So tell me guys, how exactly is this bad for Ottawa?



Stepan + Fayne > Spezza and Gryba


And the Sens get younger.

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Also, I'm pretty sure NYR don't have the room to match unless they buy out Richards

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So tell me guys, how exactly is this bad for Ottawa?



Stepan + Fayne > Spezza and Gryba


And the Sens get younger.
Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson and 2nd for Spezza, Gryba, 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Why do the Sens need to get younger, they have the youngest team in the league.

None of those pieces are needs for the Sens. None

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As enticing as Spezza is, the Devils simply can't make this trade. Henrique, Severson, Fayne, and a high pick is just too much to swallow for a team with minimal youth depth.

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Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson and 2nd for Spezza, Gryba, 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Why do the Sens need to get younger, they have the youngest team in the league.

None of those pieces are needs for the Sens. None
The Sens don't own the 1st right now.

It's


Spezza, Gryba, 2nd, 3rd for Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson, 2nd.


Fair

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Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson and 2nd for Spezza, Gryba, 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Why do the Sens need to get younger, they have the youngest team in the league.

None of those pieces are needs for the Sens. None
Ottawa doesn't currently own their 1st. It belongs to Anaheim.

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The Sens don't own the 1st right now.

It's


Spezza, Gryba, 2nd, 3rd for Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson, 2nd.


Fair
Are the Sens not acquiring their 1st back, in order to give it to the Rangers, along with their 2nd and 3rd? They are giving up Spezza to get their 1st back, and then giving their 1st to the Rangers.

They start by:

Spezza, Gryba for Fayne, Karlsson, Ott 1st, NJ 2nd

Then essentailly

Ott 1st, Ott 2nd, Ott 3rd for Stepan

Making it, in totality:

Spezza, Gryba, 1st, 2nd, 3rd for Stepan, Fayne, Karlsson, NJ 2nd

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