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08-04-2013, 07:29 PM
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Lots of people didn't know Lehkonen this morning and now everyone sees him in their soup. Please lads, a single game shouldn't change your opinion of a prospect.

For those who didn't know him, that's what a goal scorer does when paired with one of the best prospects in the world in Teravainen. We have a good prospect in our hands, but he has his flaws, and he has concussion issues.

Enjoy the show, and be patient.
Some of us did in fact know about Lehkonen before this, and yes, he has huge potential. As much if not more than Collberg, but with serious concussion concerns.

But yes, Teravainen was something else. But it's not true that Lehkonen just leached off of him.

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On a really minor note, I was there today for Team Canada's practice. Only got the last 15 minutes of team 1, got the entire practice of team 2. So team 1...tough to analyse. Hudon looked great.

Team 2...well MacKinnon for at least the first 30 minutes was scoring at will with some tremendous wristers. Precise and so hard. Let say contrary to McDavid who looked better in the last part of the practice with some really good snipes, not as hard, but really smooth and precise. Some big guys were flying out there, there weren't any games but just some situation and it should be nervewracking to see Gauthier-Rychel-Mantha coming at you, all 3 big guys and skating pretty well though. Rychel seems to have quite some jump. I will always love Heatherington, such a big guy especially upper body. Will need to work on his first steps but you do just know that he's going to make it somehow. Didn't notice too much Bobby Orr....euh I mean Morgan Rielly. I like goalie Paterson today, pretty atheletic and spectaculr. Comrie had his moments so did Fucale. But like I said on Zach's thread, will need to work on the glove side. Looked better than the Habs dev. camp though. If they'd use only today as an indication of who starts and who makes the team, actually I'd have Paterson starting and Comrie assisting. Thank god today meant nothing....

On the back end, Finn and Pulock struggled today with their balance, passes and pass receptions. Morrissey, while frail, looked good. In Team 1, I did have the time to notice how small Petan was looking but so was Leipsic. I know...didn't have to watch them to actually know it....but it's even clearer when you do watch them and compare them to the rest. I don't think anybody else was that much memorable. Was really just a practice with no really contact or even game situations.....

On a funny note, unless I'm mistaken, everybody had their names on their jersey and the guy in charge of that succeeded in mispelling …mile Poirier name with POIRER.

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On a really minor note, I was there today for Team Canada's practice. Only got the last 15 minutes of team 1, got the entire practice of team 2. So team 1...tough to analyse. Hudon looked great.

Team 2...well MacKinnon for at least the first 30 minutes was scoring at will with some tremendous wristers. Precise and so hard. Let say contrary to McDavid who looked better in the last part of the practice with some really good snipes, not as hard, but really smooth and precise. Some big guys were flying out there, there weren't any games but just some situation and it should be nervewracking to see Gauthier-Rychel-Mantha coming at you, all 3 big guys and skating pretty well though. Rychel seems to have quite some jump. I will always love Heatherington, such a big guy especially upper body. Will need to work on his first steps but you do just know that he's going to make it somehow. Didn't notice too much Bobby Orr....euh I mean Morgan Rielly. I like goalie Paterson today, pretty atheletic and spectaculr. Comrie had his moments so did Fucale. But like I said on Zach's thread, will need to work on the glove side. Looked better than the Habs dev. camp though. If they'd use only today as an indication of who starts and who makes the team, actually I'd have Paterson starting and Comrie assisting. Thank god today meant nothing....

On the back end, Finn and Pulock struggled today with their balance, passes and pass receptions. Morrissey, while frail, looked good. In Team 1, I did have the time to notice how small Petan was looking but so was Leipsic. I know...didn't have to watch them to actually know it....but it's even clearer when you do watch them and compare them to the rest. I don't think anybody else was that much memorable. Was really just a practice with no really contact or even game situations.....

On a funny note, unless I'm mistaken, everybody had their names on their jersey and the guy in charge of that succeeded in mispelling …mile Poirier name with POIRER.
Patteron is rather awful. I have no worries about him usurping Fucale. His play in the Memorial Cup was brutal.

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Patteron is rather awful. I have no worries about him usurping Fucale. His play in the Memorial Cup was brutal.
I know. Today he wasn't though. Pretty good day for him. But it's just today. Like I said, means nothing.

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I've known him well before the draft. Some people will over-exaggerate, but I'm just happy it is re-affirming his potential.


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Some of us did in fact know about Lehkonen before this, and yes, he has huge potential. As much if not more than Collberg, but with serious concussion concerns.

But yes, Teravainen was something else. But it's not true that Lehkonen just leached off of him.
My post wasn't necessarily directed towards you WTK/Et le But

I like Lehkonen as much as anyone here. You can go read the draft thread, about a week before the draft, I was discussing with WS whether Lehkonen would be picked since TT had missed on Teravainen in 2012.

We could debate on how he compares with Collberg, but that's subject to another day

I just don't want the expectations of people to get blown out of proportion like it has happened too many times before.


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08-05-2013, 01:42 AM
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Tournament starts this weekend on Sunday. I've attached some links for any that want to watch (it's not free though). This is the first year that Canada will take part, it's usually just Sweden, Finland and a split USA squad.

Team Sweden- DLR (#9), Collberg (#15)

Team USA (Team White) - McCarron (#4)
Team USA (Team Blue) - Vail (#17)

Team Finland- Lehkonen (#28)

Team Canada- Hudon (#10), Fucale (#31)

link for schedule and webcast,

http://www.fasthockey.com/schedule/

Team USA (Team White) roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...252-team-white

Team USA (Team Blue) roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...7249-team-blue

Team Canada roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...-canada-roster

Team Finland roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...finland-roster

Team Sweden roster,

http://www.swehockey.se/ImageVaultFi...aug_2013_u.PDF
Montreal great job as usual. Never emo, always reporting the latest prospect news. Well done.

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I'm surprised that people would think I wouldn't know what prospects would be in a tournament.
Hmm. Montreal shows a bit of attitude. Quite rare, but appropriate.

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Reway on the 1st line with the Habs next year!
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The top prospects (McKinnon, Barkov, Jones, etc.) aren't present
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Hopefully all our boys habeas a strong tournament
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Liked the power move by McCarron and he's 1 for 1 in the face-off circle, perhaps we have a future power center.

Liked the play from all 3 prospects despite such a choppy game where they are likely rusty since it's early in August.

McCarron changed his # to 4 from 24 right before the game started per the announcers.
May as well enjoy the number for 2 years. And then NOT. Probably why he did it...

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Boarding call on DLR
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Don't look now but it's engorged for Lehkonen, as well.
JEEZ. Calm down guys. Gettin a pit porn around here...

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Overtime at the #NJEC. 5-5 after regulation. Lehkonen has a hat trick as he tipped that Teravainen one-timer from earlier for the goal.

This confirms he had 3+1:

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/game/show/5419377
****ing hell. Think getting drafted by Habs gave him confidence? Uh...yeah.

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Lots of people didn't know Lehkonen this morning and now everyone sees him in their soup. Please lads, a single game shouldn't change your opinion of a prospect.

For those who didn't know him, that's what a goal scorer does when paired with one of the best prospects in the world in Teravainen. We have a good prospect in our hands, but he has his flaws, and he has concussion issues.

Enjoy the show, and be patient.
Yes. Sensible post. But: You score or you don't. You get a good C, you score. It's called talent. Hard to be neg about a kid who immediately performs on the world stage.


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Lehkonen is probably the best Finnish offensive prospect. IMO.

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Lehkonen is probably the best Finnish offensive prospect. IMO.
Better than Teravainen offensively?

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Better than Teravainen offensively?
No. At least not at the moment it's 1 game. He could be in future though but not now.

I'd rank top 5 finnish forwards prospects offensively something like this:

1. Granlund
2. Armia
3. Teršvšinen
4. Barkov
5. Lehkonen

Lehkonen is absolutely great talent and steal in his draft but Finland has produced really good offensive forwards lately and this is nothing away from Lehkonen he is one of the youngest of this group so he doesn't have those + years that Granlund, Armia, Teršvšinen has had so he has time to prove me wrong but at this exact moment that list would be the most accurate that you can get.

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Just in terms of talent Artturi Lehkonen = top 15-20 in draft 2013.

He could be a great steal... but very small in weight. (with concussions).

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No. At least not at the moment it's 1 game. He could be in future though but not now.

I'd rank top 5 finnish forwards prospects offensively something like this:

1. Granlund
2. Armia
3. Teršvšinen
4. Barkov
5. Lehkonen

Lehkonen is absolutely great talent and steal in his draft but Finland has produced really good offensive forwards lately and this is nothing away from Lehkonen he is one of the youngest of this group so he doesn't have those + years that Granlund, Armia, Teršvšinen has had so he has time to prove me wrong but at this exact moment that list would be the most accurate that you can get.
I consider only J.Armia in the same tier offensively. I'm talking about offense, not overall play. Lehkonen makes plays by himself + he scores with a high %. J.Armia is capable of doing that too but he'll need to pick up his skating. Granlund, Barkov and Teršvšinen are more complete packages, still not as pure offense as Lehkonen. Hence Lehkonen being no.1 offensive prospect.

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Patteron is rather awful. I have no worries about him usurping Fucale. His play in the Memorial Cup was brutal.
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I know. Today he wasn't though. Pretty good day for him. But it's just today. Like I said, means nothing.
He didn't play in the Memorial Cup. The goalie invited to this camp is one of the same name who plays for the Saginaw Spirit http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/6662


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Why wasn't Lindholm invited to the Sweden camp? Is he expected to play for Carolina this year?

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I consider only J.Armia in the same tier offensively. I'm talking about offense, not overall play. Lehkonen makes plays by himself + he scores with a high %. J.Armia is capable of doing that too but he'll need to pick up his skating. Granlund, Barkov and Teršvšinen are more complete packages, still not as pure offense as Lehkonen. Hence Lehkonen being no.1 offensive prospect.
Wowww, I'm happy to hear that !
Serious question (not mocking at all): if Lehkonen is that good, why was he drafted that late ?

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He didn't play in the Memorial Cup. The goalie invited to this camp is one of the same name who plays for the Saginaw Spirit http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/6662
Almost the same name.

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I consider only J.Armia in the same tier offensively. I'm talking about offense, not overall play. Lehkonen makes plays by himself + he scores with a high %. J.Armia is capable of doing that too but he'll need to pick up his skating. Granlund, Barkov and Teršvšinen are more complete packages, still not as pure offense as Lehkonen. Hence Lehkonen being no.1 offensive prospect.
Teršvšinen definetly has fair advantage on Lehkonen on pure offensive abilities. Teršvšinen makes things happen, he creates the play and makes other players around him better offensive players. He moves on the ice like waterbug and doesen't need time to create a scoring chance out of nowhere. Teršvšinen has lethal wristshot too with excellent onetimer. Teršvšinen is just one huge high-end offensive package. Lehkonen is the guy who is much more wellrounded player. Lehkonen is a good two-way player who is great on PK. Lehkonen is a guy who is a guy who has burning intensity and fights hard in every puck battle. Lehkonen does have high-end puck skills and his scoring instincts are excellent. He just know how to put puck inside the net.

pure offensive abilities for finnish drafted prospects:

1. Teršvšinen
2. Barkov
3. Granlund
4. Vatanen
5. Armia
6. Lehkonen

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Almost the same name.
Won't be the last time we see the Patterson / Paterson error, I am sure.

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McCarron in practice displays a lot of skill for a big man. You see the potential if he can improve his decisions and play at a quicker pace

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No. At least not at the moment it's 1 game. He could be in future though but not now.

I'd rank top 5 finnish forwards prospects offensively something like this:

1. Granlund
2. Armia
3. Teršvšinen
4. Barkov
5. Lehkonen

Lehkonen is absolutely great talent and steal in his draft but Finland has produced really good offensive forwards lately and this is nothing away from Lehkonen he is one of the youngest of this group so he doesn't have those + years that Granlund, Armia, Teršvšinen has had so he has time to prove me wrong but at this exact moment that list would be the most accurate that you can get.
There's 3 Finnish forward prospects I'd take easily over Lehkonen, Barkov, Teravainen and Granlund in that order.

Armia has a higher ceiling and might have the highest pure offensive ceiling of the players listed, but I don't know about him. I don't like his attitude at all, I'd rather take Lehkonen's concussion risk than Armia putting it all together.

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Lehkonen is probably the best Finnish offensive prospect. IMO.
That's not even close, but yes he's good. We like him.

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Tournament starts this weekend on Sunday. I've attached some links for any that want to watch (it's not free though). This is the first year that Canada will take part, it's usually just Sweden, Finland and a split USA squad.

Team Sweden- DLR (#9), Collberg (#15)

Team USA (Team White) - McCarron (#4)
Team USA (Team Blue) - Vail (#17)

Team Finland- Lehkonen (#28)

Team Canada- Hudon (#10), Fucale (#31)

link for schedule and webcast,

http://www.fasthockey.com/schedule/

Team USA (Team White) roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...252-team-white

Team USA (Team Blue) roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...7249-team-blue

Team Canada roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...-canada-roster

Team Finland roster,

http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/pa...finland-roster

Team Sweden roster,

http://www.swehockey.se/ImageVaultFi...aug_2013_u.PDF

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Teravainen is the best Finnish offensive prospect. The Finnish Drouin. I'm envious of the Hawks - I think they got a top five prospect with the 18th overall pick. Not bad for the Cup champs. I can see him playing with Kane and Toews on the PP in 2-3 years, and think he'll be a top-end point producer.

The scary thing is if he was four days older he would have been picked in the 2013 draft. I ranked him second overall last year behind Galchenyuk for the 2012 draft. I got some flak for ranking him so high (and for ranking Yakupov third), but if we were to redo the rankings today...I'd probably still rank him second overall.

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Another goal for Collberg. Insane.

2-0 Sweden.

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