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01-11-2004, 09:31 AM
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BOS/DAL Proposal

To DAL: Brian Rolston, Zdenek Kutlak, 4th round pick
To BOS: Jason Arnott


Feel free to tweak anything...

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No..

Why would the Stars deal a younger and more attractive commodity in Jason Arnott for a pending UFA, when hope isn't very bright?

Rolston is a very good player no doubt, but he isn't as necessary as he would in Boston.

You want Jason, start with Samsonov..

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No..

Why would the Stars deal a younger and more attractive commodity in Jason Arnott for a pending UFA, when hope isn't very bright?

Rolston is a very good player no doubt, but he isn't as necessary as he would in Boston.

You want Jason, start with Samsonov..
START with samsonov? surely, you can't be serious.
dallas has been scouting rolston for about 2 years now. word is that guy carbonneau was sent on a special mission just to see rolston, and was seen in the press box writing what appeared to be a very extensive review. i think there's more to this deal than you may think. also, if arnott is moved, that allows turgeon to play center on an offensive line.

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START with samsonov? surely, you can't be serious.
Talks need to start with Samsonov to even get Army's attention.. not saying that there needs to be added more..

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Talks need to start with Samsonov to even get Army's attention.. not saying that there needs to be added more..
samsonov has more value than arnott on the open market IMO. and if the b's trade him, it would be for a young Dman with #1 potential.

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samsonov has more value than arnott on the open market IMO. and if the b's trade him, it would be for a young Dman with #1 potential.
I couldn't care less.. Arnott won't be dealt for an older player who's a pending UFA either.

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I couldn't care less.. Arnott won't be dealt for an older player who's a pending UFA either.
sounds good to me. i'm just saying that there's a lot more to the rolston rumors than you may think (or wish to believe).

another thing to remember- arnott is 29. it's not like he's this young kid or anything. and when the CBA is restructured, he'll be a UFA also. the year and a half difference btw him and rolston is practically meaningless.

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sounds good to me. i'm just saying that there's a lot more to the rolston rumors than you may think
That was when Rollie was 29 and 2 years removed from UFA status, and when the Stars were still in the mids of contention..

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As a player who will be a UFA in a few months, Rolston's value is maybe a 2nd rounder. Not much more. He's strictly a rental at this point in terms of trade value. Last year, he might have been almost worth Jason Arnott, but not this year.

 
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I would tend to say that Arnott's value is actually higher than Samsonov's right now. Samsonov is on a $3.5 million dollar contract + bonuses, and he's sure not playing like he should be with that kind of bread.

Rolston's value is questionable. I'd say a 2nd round pick at the deadline is about right for him.

Arnott is having a pretty good season this year, and is coveted by many teams for his size and ability to use it frequently. 29 years old or not, he's still a very valuable commodity in this league, probobly moreso than Samsonov right now.

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No..

You want Jason, start with Samsonov..
Holy geez! Samsonov?? What would you expect for Dimaio? Patrice Bergeron?

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Call me a homer...

But I think Rolston would go for more than a 2nd rounder. Oates went for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a good prospect, I know that is an insane deal and I shouldn't really be comparing, but Rolston does alot for a team; PK, PP, could play top 6 forward but also has no problem playing a 3rd line role while still producing. I think he would be a very valueable player for a contending team.

Not saying he's worth Arnott though.

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But I think Rolston would go for more than a 2nd rounder.
He likely would. A 2nd and a decent prospect is what I'd offer for him.

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To DAL: Brian Rolston, Zdenek Kutlak, 4th round pick
To BOS: Jason Arnott


Feel free to tweak anything...
Arnott is not worth all that in any shape or form.

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Arnott is not worth all that in any shape or form.
Arnott isn't worth a soon to be UFA, a potential 6th/7th d-man and a mid-round pick? Sorry, but he's worth quite a bit more.

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Call me a homer...

But I think Rolston would go for more than a 2nd rounder. Oates went for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a good prospect, I know that is an insane deal and I shouldn't really be comparing, but Rolston does alot for a team; PK, PP, could play top 6 forward but also has no problem playing a 3rd line role while still producing. I think he would be a very valueable player for a contending team.

Not saying he's worth Arnott though.
Wasn't Oates leading the league in assists when he was traded?

Sorry kiddo's, but Rolston's value isn't anywhere near what Oates' was back then.

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Wasn't Oates leading the league in assists when he was traded?

Sorry kiddo's, but Rolston's value isn't anywhere near what Oates' was back then.
im not so sure arnott is worth that much more than rolston. i was surprised by these numbers but according to tsn.ca these are the point totals of the two players since 98-99. i realize points dont tell the whole story but imo rolston brings more to the table defensively and on special teams is likely cheaper and has played with less skilled players than arnott:

arnott:
02-03: 47 pts., 23 goals
01-02: 45 pts., 25 goals
00-01: 55 pts., 21 goals
99-00: 56 pts., 22 goals
98-99: 54 pts., 27 goals

rolston:
02-03: 59 pts., 27 goals
01-02: 62 pts., 31 goals
00-01: 58 pts., 19 goals
99-00: 31 pts., 16 goals --- played with NJ, COL, and BOS
98-99: 57 pts., 24 goals

just thought it was something interesting to consider.

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Wasn't Oates leading the league in assists when he was traded?

Sorry kiddo's, but Rolston's value isn't anywhere near what Oates' was back then.
Was Oates worth what he was traded for? Was that his projected value before the trade? I don't think so. Oates and Rolston have one thing in common too, Oates was not going to be traded unless someone really wanted him, this will apply for Rolston. There is no doubt in my mine the Bruins will be at least in the hunt for a playoff spot and trading Rolston for a 2nd round pick will not help the Bruins get into the playoffs. The Bruins like Rolston for what I know, just has the Caps liked Oates. Rolston won't be traded unless a striking deal is put on the table, and that's exactly how Oates was taken.

You also said Oates was at the time leading the league in assists. Did you see who he was playing with? The team had offensive power, he had huge support, also playing a offensive system.

Now comparing Oates to Rolston for there impact to a playoff run, they are two different kinds of players. Oates must play a top 2 center, and is a PP specialist, amazing passer. Rolston could play anywhere from 1st line to 4th line, play center or wing, play the point on the PP, and play the PK, plus he's a game breaker. For a team that is stacked on forward Rolston would be an excellent player.

Now saying all that I don't think Rolston has more value than Oates had, but I don't think there that far off, if Rolston is traded it will be for something pretty good, better than a 2nd rounder!

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How about a three way trade:

To Boston: Brendan Morrow and Dallas' 3rd round choice
To Philadelphia: Sergei Samsonov and Boston's 4th round choice
To Dallas: Simon Gagne and Philadelphia's 3rd round choice

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No..

Why would the Stars deal a younger and more attractive commodity in Jason Arnott for a pending UFA, when hope isn't very bright?

Rolston is a very good player no doubt, but he isn't as necessary as he would in Boston.

You want Jason, start with Samsonov..
one consideration is that its a way to clear salary. with Rolstons deal leaving at the end of the season, they would be clearing the commitment to Arnott.

One thought, its done in Basketball all the time.

DR

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How about a three way trade:

To Boston: Brendan Morrow and Dallas' 3rd round choice
To Philadelphia: Sergei Samsonov and Boston's 4th round choice
To Dallas: Simon Gagne and Philadelphia's 3rd round choice
The Stars downgrade in any attribute possible... leadership, toughness, grit, physicality, scoring and consistency. Fair deal, but I don't see the purpose from either side..

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