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08-06-2013, 06:33 PM
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The sometimes over-played remarks about how the Flyers value size and aggressiveness rang very true.

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08-06-2013, 06:34 PM
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The consensus with Monahan he'll be playing in the NHL next year with Couturier & Laughton in the fold the need wasn't that great. My guess if he fell to #11 the Flyers might've tried to move out & pickup some assets.
I don't think trading down would have been an option for them. They all sounded extremely high on both Morin and Mueller. Don't think they would have passed up the chance to draft either of them.

Who do they have under Ristolainen, though? It looks like Gauthier to me (at 13). Then followed by Horvat and then Lazar. I'm not positive about Lazar, though.

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08-06-2013, 06:37 PM
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I'm glad they didn't trade back. They ended up with Morin and Hagg. I'm still grumpy they didn't end up with Rychel (guy is Flyers DNA).

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08-06-2013, 06:40 PM
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I'm glad they didn't trade back. They ended up with Morin and Hagg. I'm still grumpy they didn't end up with Rychel (guy is Flyers DNA).
They had Rychel at #21:



Hagg was at #25.

McCaron at 23, and it looks like Hartman at 24.

I'm insulted by whoever made this. Did they not think die hard fans would not analyze it to death figuring out what order they are in?

EDIT: Could that be Nichushkin at #20? Looks like it to me. And Domi at 19.

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08-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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I don't think trading down would have been an option for them. They all sounded extremely high on both Morin and Mueller. Don't think they would have passed up the chance to draft either of them.

Who do they have under Ristolainen, though? It looks like Gauthier to me (at 13). Then followed by Horvat and then Lazar. I'm not positive about Lazar, though.
I don't think Monahan would have slipped anyway & maybe that was their thought as well but if he did teams would have been knocking down there door to get that pick. It might have been too good to pass up trading back.

I could see it being Gauthier or Horvat. They fit the mold of Flyers centers, big & two-way centers.

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08-06-2013, 06:44 PM
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They had Rychel at #21:



Hagg was at #25.

McCaron at 23, and it looks like Hartman at 24.

I'm insulted by whoever made this. Did they not think die hard fans would not analyze it to death figuring out what order they are in?

EDIT: Could that be Nichushkin at #20? Looks like it to me. And Domi at 19.
De La Rose at #22. It could be Wennberg at #20 as well I can't really tell.

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08-06-2013, 06:46 PM
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"I think Morin has more meanness. He will whack you with his ****ing stick and give you that stuff".
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Between Hextall, Pronger, Homer, and Pryor, we're gonna have a war room that can kick anybody else's ass!

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Hagg was at #25.
I know. I just was hoping the stars would align (at the time).

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"I think Morin has more meanness. He will whack you with his ****ing stick and give you that stuff".
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God i hate our scouts

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08-06-2013, 07:11 PM
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They also said he has the highest upside out of Nurse, Mueller, Ristolanien, & Morrissey. They also noted his hockey IQ.

It's not like they just picked the kid because of his physical attributes.

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08-06-2013, 07:12 PM
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God i hate our scouts
Yea because our first round drafting have been soooooooooooo terrible in the first round the last decade+

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Here's a list of everything we know with up to 95% certainty, I'd say:

1. MacKinnon
2. Jones
3. Drouin
4. Lindholm
5. Barkov
6. Morin
7. Mueller
8. Zadorov
9. Nurse
10. Ristolainen
11. Monahan
12. Morrissey
13. Gauthier
14. Horvat
15. Lazar
16.
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19. Domi
20. Nichushkin
21. Rychel
22. De La Rose
23. McCaron
24. Hartman
25. Hagg


Mantha may be #16.

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08-06-2013, 07:26 PM
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i love how Homer comes in and ***** on everyones opinions, hahah...

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who is mueller?

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who is mueller?
Mirco Mueller, 18th overall to the Sharks.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/mirco-mueller/

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Imagine if Nurse and/or Risto fell to 11... and they took Morin over one OR BOTH?!??!? This place would have melted down!!

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Yup, I would have flipped out. 5 years from now hopefully Morin will have proved guys like me wrong.

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08-06-2013, 08:45 PM
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Imagine if Nurse and/or Risto fell to 11... and they took Morin over one OR BOTH?!??!? This place would have melted down!!
In the end they are scout and we are fans lol. I trust our scout, just last year they suprise everyone with Laughton and now he would have been drafted top 10.

They talk about Morin like its the next Pronger, don't know if they are right but wow at number 6 in a draft so deep in D...I expect to be amazed once again lol...

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08-06-2013, 09:03 PM
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They had the dmen in this order:
Morin
Mueller
Zadorov
Nurse
Risto
Morrisey

They had Morin 6th overall...ahead of ****ing Monahan.
Not that far fetched. As Patterson (and I ) said before the draft, Morin has the highest upside in the draft. He may reach it, he may not, but it's too much to ignore. Monahan is a "what you see is what you get" player. Solid, unspectacular, two-way pivot who's closer to #2 center than #1.

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It seems that they didn't not like Ristolainen as much as Mueller, which is sort of bizarre to me.
It's not that bizarre the more you think about it. The Ristolainen hype on this board got a little over the top. I don't know whether it's the unknown factor of him being a European or proximity to the NHL or what.

In a draft with a lot of big, mobile defenseman, Mueller might have more upside than every defenseman sans maybe Jones, Morin, and Nurse. He's far less physical and aggressive than Morin, which is probably why swung Morin ahead of him on the final board. He does however have more present offensive ability which is probably what made it close in the first place. The big knock on Nurse before the draft was his presumed IQ and Flyers' scouts seemed to concur with that and obviously value that pretty highly. Mueller is noted for being a very smart player.

From my limited viewings of Mueller, he's got all the physical tools you look for in a defender. Long, rangy, great skater, good hands, and instincts. Shot could use a little work, but once he fills out that should improve. He obviously needs to add bulk and as a result will take some time to develop. The only question I had with Mueller was his assertiveness/aggressiveness. Maybe it was because he was adjusting to the NA game, but he just seemed to play a laid back kind of game. That said he's a really good looking two-way defenseman. He could be one of those guys you look back on and wonder why he didn't get picked sooner.

On a side note, not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that I agreed with much of the Flyers' rankings and assessments of players.

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08-06-2013, 09:18 PM
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Not that far fetched. As Patterson (and I ) said before the draft, Morin has the highest upside in the draft. He may reach it, he may not, but it's too much to ignore. Monahan is a "what you see is what you get" player. Solid, unspectacular, two-way pivot who's closer to #2 center than #1.



It's not that bizarre the more you think about it. The Ristolainen hype on this board got a little over the top. I don't know whether it's the unknown factor of him being a European or proximity to the NHL or what.

In a draft with a lot of big, mobile defenseman, Mueller might have more upside than every defenseman sans maybe Jones, Morin, and Nurse. He's far less physical and aggressive than Morin, which is probably why swung Morin ahead of him on the final board. He does however have more present offensive ability which is probably what made it close in the first place. The big knock on Nurse before the draft was his presumed IQ and Flyers' scouts seemed to concur with that and obviously value that pretty highly. Mueller is noted for being a very smart player.

From my limited viewings of Mueller, he's got all the physical tools you look for in a defender. Long, rangy, great skater, good hands, and instincts. Shot could use a little work, but once he fills out that should improve. He obviously needs to add bulk and as a result will take some time to develop. The only question I had with Mueller was his assertiveness/aggressiveness. Maybe it was because he was adjusting to the NA game, but he just seemed to play a laid back kind of game. That said he's a really good looking two-way defenseman. He could be one of those guys you look back on and wonder why he didn't get picked sooner.

On a side note, not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that I agreed with much of the Flyers' rankings and assessments of players.
I've been intrigued by Mueller. I like him a lot, and I wouldn't have been devastated if that's who the Flyers took.

But it seems that we got a very similar player to Mueller in Hagg in the second round, so it looks like we lucked out by getting a bit of what everyone wanted.

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08-06-2013, 09:28 PM
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I loved this episode. I know it all rides on what Homer says when it comes down to it, just find it ironic when people say he doesn't know the game or these players. Yes, there has been mistakes, but he has also shown he knows the game like with the best of them. I a satisfied with the pick in Morin only if we let him develop, this kid has the tools to be special. Maybe he doesn't get there, but the safe bet is he still makes the NHL and is a steady stay at home defender. His upside is just too much too ignore, and will be a treat if he develops like we want him to.

Next episode is bound to be a good one, I want to see the convo's on the floor. Hopefully they give us a little taste.

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They also said he has the highest upside out of Nurse, Mueller, Ristolanien, & Morrissey. They also noted his hockey IQ.

It's not like they just picked the kid because of his physical attributes.
What i believed they said was Morin knows what he is and nurse doesnt.

Where they were at 11 id have picked morin too. Im fine with that. really the draft board did not break right for us. But had we drafted him over nurse or Risto id have been livid.

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What i believed they said was Morin knows what he is and nurse doesnt.

Where they were at 11 id have picked morin too. Im fine with that. really the draft board did not break right for us. But had we drafted him over nurse or Risto id have been livid.
Why? What makes Central Scouting more legit than the Flyers staff?

To be fair, I would have been disappointed if we passed up on Risto or Nurse, also, but I think too often we fans forget that there is a subjective component to scouting as well, and while it may seem like Nurse and Risto are in a tier above the rest, it may not actually be the case down the line.

I mean, if someone asked you to compile a ranking of all NHL players, would your top 15 look anything like mine? Probably a few similarities at the top, but the rest will be subjective. The same applies here but perhaps to an even greater extent. Remember, these are 18 year olds and we're trying to predict the future here. I mean, just imagine if Erik Karlsson had been drafted over Luke Schenn in 2008. Leafs fans would have been furious. It's not worth it to get worked up over the draft. Few of us have any clue what we are talking about.

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What i believed they said was Morin knows what he is and nurse doesnt.

Where they were at 11 id have picked morin too. Im fine with that. really the draft board did not break right for us. But had we drafted him over nurse or Risto id have been livid.
They were talking about knowing their limitations as of right now, which falls under their IQ which Nurse was mostly criticized for by other scouts as well leading up to the draft.

You have remember Morin wasn't used in an offensive role last year in Rimouski. That should change this upcoming year as he will likely be a top pairing defensemen for them.


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