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08-06-2013, 04:58 PM
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Having watched Vail in Windsor? Not so much.

He'd have to show something he hasn't to look like a second liner. Third line is his more likely ceiling, but fourth line is a better expectation.

I think a lot of Habs prospects right now are like that. Maybe if we were a bad team they'd be second liners but if we're a contender they will be more about depth and trade bait than vital contributors. And that's not a bad thing. There's maybe only five guys in our system (Collberg, McCarron, de la Rose, Hudon, Bozon) I could see being top six. Eh could be wrong.

I think Vail's best chance in the NHL is to be a Tom Pyatt.
What about Lehkonen?

If Andrighetto and Reway make it, it will most probably be in a Top 6 spot... and Thomas as well.

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08-06-2013, 05:02 PM
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What about Lehkonen?

If Andrighetto and Reway make it, it will most probably be in a Top 6 spot... and Thomas as well.
They have ability but I just don't see it. There's only so many spots to go around. Then again this is all speculation before seeing how these guys work in the AHL. There are also guys like Nattinen who is too early to give up on. You can't ice the Canadiens with nothing but under 25 year old's unless you're a basement team.

Again, not saying I got a crystal ball. I just see Ghetto and Lehkonen as depth and not prospective top six.

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08-06-2013, 05:05 PM
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They have ability but I just don't see it. There's only so many spots to go around. Then again this is all speculation before seeing how these guys work in the AHL. There are also guys like Nattinen who is too early to give up on. You can't ice the Canadiens with nothing but under 25 year old's unless you're a basement team.

Again, not saying I got a crystal ball. I just see Ghetto and Lehkonen as depth and not prospective top six.
Who said that exactly? We're only making projections here...

I think Lehkonen is underrated here. Guy produces at every level he is sent to and he doesn't appear to need adaptation time, or much of it sinceh e's always a 1ppg or close.

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Then why are you both here exactly?
To read the few posters here that have something interesting or informative to say. Why are you here?

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They have ability but I just don't see it. There's only so many spots to go around. Then again this is all speculation before seeing how these guys work in the AHL. There are also guys like Nattinen who is too early to give up on. You can't ice the Canadiens with nothing but under 25 year old's unless you're a basement team.

Again, not saying I got a crystal ball. I just see Ghetto and Lehkonen as depth and not prospective top six.
I feel like Andrighetto will surprise a lot of people. I have him ahead of McCarron, Thomas, Hudon, Bozon.

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Who said that exactly? We're only making projections here...
Not really. I'm going by the last several Toronto Maple Leaf squads that have lacked veteran support and leadership but were young and touted by Leaf fans only to always have consistency issues.

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Not really. I'm going by the last several Toronto Maple Leaf squads that have lacked veteran support and leadership but were young and touted by Leaf fans only to always have consistency issues.
That would explain why they struggled too.

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Imo it'd be the other way around:
Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Brendan Gallagher
Sebastian Collberg - Lars Eller - Mike McCarron
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Collberg
Lehkonen-Eller-McCarron
DelaRose-???-Gallagher

That would be sexy top9

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Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Collberg
Lehkonen-Eller-McCarron
DelaRose-???-Gallagher

That would be sexy top9
Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Sebastien Collberg
(Artturi Lehkonen/Charles Hudon/Tim Bozon) - Lars Eller - Brendan Gallagher
Jacob de la Rose - Tomas Plekanec - Michael McCarron

3rd line wrecks opposition top lines. Plekanec provides veteran presence with good D in top 9

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Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Collberg
Lehkonen-Eller-McCarron
DelaRose-???-Gallagher

That would be sexy top9
De La Rose is a centre, just to let you know. So for left wing, maybe Hudon? Mind you, that would be a rather small set of wingers for De La Rose to play with.

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De La Rose is a centre, just to let you know. So for left wing, maybe Hudon? Mind you, that would be a rather small set of wingers for De La Rose to play with.
DelaRose plays LW and C and most would agree that his skillset is best suited for winger

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Pacioretty has shown that he is a legit 1st line forward. I'd have him ahead of Collberg/McCarron.

Also I think Andrighetto will be better than Bozon/Hudon, but that's just my opinion.
MAX is not a legit first line winger , top 6 only

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I don't even understand how someone could possibly think theres a chance for him to play in the NHL this year ...

Give him 2 years with the Hunter bros, it'll do wonder.
he wont be here until 21

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MAX is not a legit first line winger , top 6 only
If he isn't you have awfully high standards.

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If he isn't you have awfully high standards.
True Max might not be a superstar in the league, but he is definitely a first line forward. Almost 35 goals two years ago and almost ppg this year. You can't expect every legit first line forward to score 40-45 goals 90 pts, that's top 5 production leaguewide

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MAX is not a legit first line winger , top 6 only
Wrong

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True Max might not be a superstar in the league, but he is definitely a first line forward. Almost 35 goals two years ago and almost ppg this year. You can't expect every legit first line forward to score 40-45 goals 90 pts, that's top 5 production leaguewide
Might be even less then Top 5, more likely Top 3.

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MAX is not a legit first line winger , top 6 only
I don't understand this comment. How can you say a guy who has led his team in scoring 2 years in a row is not a legit first liner...who's a legit first liner than for the 30 teams in the NHL. Are there 30 left wingers better than Pacioretty?

This guy thinks he's worth an honorable mention in the top 10 in the league.

http://www.anguscertified.com/top-10...rs-in-the-nhl/

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MAX is not a legit first line winger , top 6 only
He's not just a legit 1st liner, he's one of the finest players at his position in the whole darn sport.

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I would love to see that

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1. Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - McCarron
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DelaRose plays LW and C and most would agree that his skillset is best suited for winger
While I understand his size and physical style would make him a nice space making winger, his size/speed combo along with his defensive intelligence and his underrated playmaking ability have me thinking he could be an ideal 3rd line center.

We also don't really have a 3rd line center with size in the pipeline. I think you try and groom him as a center, and worst case he ends up on the wing.

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I was very impressed with his forechecking ability in the parts of the u20 game I saw showed a lot of hustle I am very excited to see how he develops under the hunters. Im not expecting crazy production but I do see im being key to londons success

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Only problem with this is that both McCarron and Gallagher play the RW...
In response to... ''Can't wait for: McCarron-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
(2 yrs from now?).''

I hope McCarron will learn how to play LEFT WING during his development time in London and in Hamilton...this will just give our Habs more options (good bonus, no?), but not a priority of course (just an idea!).

And who said McCarron-Galchenyuk-Gallagher has to be our 1st line! It can be our 2nd line (or 1b line) or VERY SOLID 3rd line in 2 yrs+. If Pleks is here in 2 yrs...we can have THREE SOLID lines!! (all three lines can be dangerous). Imo, DD+__?__ should be the real trade bait, not Pleks...Pleks is very very underrated and he's an iron-man...rarely rarely injured, consistent, great asset to have since we always seem so injury prone but not Pleks! and always a offensive threat on the PK and solid defensively).


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Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Collberg
Lehkonen-Eller-McCarron
DelaRose-???-Gallagher

That would be sexy top9
There are few rules that have proven to be rigth over the past few years. First don't ignore the veteren presence and its value, second don't break sol something that is working well and finally don't count older prospect like Leblanc to completely drop off the map...

Here is how I see it ...They will keep Gallchenyuk at LW for few years until they have a better option

Not this year but next year ...
Gallchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher
Pacioretty, Plekanek, Briere
Bourque, Leblanc/Bournival, McCarron

The following year you would replace Briere by Collberg
The following year you would replace Bourque by DeLaRose or Bozon, perhaps moving Gallchenyuk at center ... things will move gradually but it sure look nice from here on...

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08-07-2013, 08:20 AM
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None of us has any idea when Mac will be ready...could be next year, could be 4 years from now. I'm thinking it will be closer to one year than four...but no one knows for sure, not even the Hab brass.

Had a few pops with Ottawa's assistant GM last night. He was in Lake Placid. One of his picks, Shore, was centering McCarron's line....he was quite impressed with McCarron, and thinks he's a lock for the American team. He also admitted that the Sens liked him...had him in their top 20.


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