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Cecil Hart - Hockey Hall of Fame

The most glaring omission of a builder from the Hockey Hall of Fame is Cecil Hart. Coached the Canadiens to two Stanley Cup Championships 1930, 1931.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Hart

Led the Canadiens to a first place finish in 1931-32 but was fired after a dispute with the owner Leo Dandurand. Came back under new ownership.

http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/gm/Cecil-Hart

Excellent, innovative coach. In this thread we will look at his career, some of the related stories and issues.

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Obituary July 16, 1940 Cecil Hart

The date of Cecil Hart's passing is often omitted from stories. It was July 16, 1940.

Marc McNeil column from the Gazette, obituary, plus comments:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4173%2C2609415

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4099%2C2626994


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The most glaring omission of a builder from the Hockey Hall of Fame is Cecil Hart. Coached the Canadiens to two Stanley Cup Championships 1930, 1931.
Excellent suggestion, and your absolutely correct, GLARING omission and y'know what? Even if he'd never Coached & Managed the Habs in the NHL he actually still deserves induction in the Builders Category as "Cece" formed the Montreal City Hockey League in 1910 which spawned the amateur system that followed, and, he was a Pioneer in developing the ECAHA, the governing body of hockey in Eastern Canada in its formative years. Rather like Fred Waghorne in Toronto who's a member in the Builders Category, Fred having formed the Beaches Hockey League in 1911 which morphed into the Toronto Hockey League which then became the MTHL & is now called the GTHL, the largest amateur system in the World. Several others inducted into the HHOF Builders Category of the same era or later (Roger Le Bel in PQ for eg) from Saskatchewan etc. Big on Baseball as well, playing, Coaching & Managing in between & during his stints with hockey. Star Montreal Baseball Club I believe. He's also interestingly a direct descendant of Canada's first Jewish settler... also note the 1st Hart Trophy was donated by his father in 1923, but retired & re-named after Cecil in 1960 who had died in 1940 at a not too old an age due to illness. He also organized the first US vs. Canada Championships then playing for the Art Ross Trophy. Interesting guy.... add in the Stanley Cups etc, pretty much a no-brainer for induction. So why the over-site?


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1932 Playoffs Canadiens vs Rangers

Reports from L.S.B. Shapiro of The Gazette

Game One :

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6556%2C3645911

interesting observation about the matching of lines and players between Cecil Hart and Lester Patrick.

Game Two 3OT:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6480%2C3962426

interesting comments about Lester Patrick shortening shifts.

Game Three:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6437%2C3955414

Howie Morenz takes Ching Johnson into the boards.
Game Four:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6558%2C4290972

Cecil Hart was not a quotable coach or prone to communicating via the media.

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Looks like he could also use a nomination for Canadian Sports Hall of Fame as well, surprised not to find him in there.

There seems to be a backlog of these types that helped the game in general grow, not just the NHL in particular. I feel the selection committee needs to focus on these indivduals more than current NHL club owners and executives.

This is another reason they should publicize the vote for HHOF. Even if a guy like this isn't getting in, it would be nice to know he was at least getting votes. It would serve to keep him in the conversation.

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Just seems kind of odd to me he wouldnt have been inducted in 1960 when they re-dedicated the trophy in his name from his fathers, who donated the Hart Trophy in 1923. 1960 was the era & period when the new HHOF was opening in Toronto, Conn Smythe & Frank Selke overseeing its construction, laying down the framework with respect to criteria for induction, concerned about who got in & who didnt, issues of Legacy. Youd think that in comparison to any number of others who were inducted and who had accomplished less (though important all the same) in the Builders category Cecil Hart wouldve been elected eons ago. Is it possible there were some lingering enmities there between them, be it Smythe & or Selke? Or did they feel that in re-naming the trophy after Cecil that that was honour enough? No idea. Another mystery. He is a member of the Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, possibly others in Quebec, honourable mentions on the Habs site as linked above but still...

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Obituary, June 27, 1964 Leo Dandurand

From The Gazette, obituary and Vern de Geer column about Leo Dandurand. Covers his various sporting interests and his long friendship with Newsy Lalonde who succeeded Cecil Hart as the Canadiens coach in 1932.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...7001%2C5289349

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Obituary, November 21, 1970. Newsy Lalonde

The Gazette obituary for Newsy Lalonde:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...2815%2C5484045

though Newsy Lalonde had a long NHL coaching career, little is ever written about it in a historical fashion.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/lalonne01c.html

Record as a coach certainly did not match Cecil Hart.

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Definitely a good coach. If you ask me he's one of the top 10-15 coaches of all time.

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I never realized Cecil Hart wasn't in the Hall of Fame

Reminds me of NY Yankees owner Jacob Rupert, who was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame only this year. I just took it for granted he was already a member.

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