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08-09-2013, 09:20 PM
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Vancouver: Cody Franson

Toronto: Chris Higgins, 7th round draft pick


come on....

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Honestly, you guys can't differentiate between a RFA and UFA, and your putting values on Franson's rights? 'He can't fetch more than 3rd' or '4th at most', yet doesn't know the difference between a RFA and UFA. Pathetic.

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His first UFA year would be the 13-14 season or 14-15 season?

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08-09-2013, 09:35 PM
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His first UFA year would be the 13-14 season or 14-15 season?
14-15 i believe....(going off previous posters birthday theory).

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I would offer Leafs choice of Ellis, Nygren or Dietz along with our 2014 2nd round pick

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come on....
As was already said. We have no reason to trade Higgins for an unsigned Franson. Bear in mind, our defense is already solidified. We loss a solid third line tweener for someone we do not need. Nevertheless, Franson's value will be reduced if contract demands force the Leafs to move him. Teams are not going to give up significant assets on an unknown.

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I would offer Leafs choice of Ellis, Nygren or Dietz along with our 2014 2nd round pick
...I'd probably do Ellis and a 2nd, as I am a big fan of Franson's upside, but not Nygren or Dietz...that said, I really doubt the Leafs would; they'd get a better offer somewhere else...

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08-09-2013, 10:09 PM
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Honestly, you guys can't differentiate between a RFA and UFA, and your putting values on Franson's rights? 'He can't fetch more than 3rd' or '4th at most', yet doesn't know the difference between a RFA and UFA. Pathetic.
Why doesnt a team just sign him to a 3.3 mil contract. The leafs probably can't match with kadri needing his pay day. Unless i'm wrong about the leafs cap situation. Not to mention kessel's pay day is coming up.

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08-09-2013, 10:12 PM
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Why doesnt a team just sign him to a 3.3 mil contract. The leafs probably can't match with kadri needing his pay day.
We can go over the cap in the off-season and would match any offer that wouldn't give us the compensation of a 1st an a 3rd. We would work out the cap issues another way, instead of letting Franson go for merely a second round pick..

Some of these offers are pathetic, it's like some of you have never seen Franson play, especially the guy who said he was as soft as butter..

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08-09-2013, 10:17 PM
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We can go over the cap in the off-season and would match any offer that wouldn't give us the compensation of a 1st an a 3rd. We would work out the cap issues another way, instead of letting Franson go for merely a second round pick..

Some of these offers are pathetic, it's like some of you have never seen Franson play, especially the guy who said he was as soft as butter..
Well looking at cap geek the leafs have 4.9 cap space. kadri will likely make 4 mil well Franson will likely want 3.5. What moves can the leafs do to get under the cap by the beginning of the season. I could be wrong about this but there doesnt seems to be alot of cap to go around.

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Well looking at cap geek the leafs have 4.9 cap space kadri will likely make 4 mil well Franson will likely want 3.5. What moves can the leafs do to get under the cap by the beginning of the season. I could be wrong.
They have somewhere around 7 million once the AHL signings are set back to the AHL.

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08-09-2013, 10:22 PM
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Max is second MAX . Teams can offer him 3.3 for a second. No chance he gets anything more in a trade imo.
You're also delusionsal if you think we wouldn't match!

Offer sheets are only worth while if you overpay the player and the draft pick compensation is worthwhile! duh!

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Well looking at cap geek the leafs have 4.9 cap space. kadri will likely make 4 mil well Franson will likely want 3.5. What moves can the leafs do to get under the cap by the beginning of the season. I could be wrong about this but there doesnt seems to be alot of cap to go around.
Go away! Kadri won't be getting $4m unless he's sign to some 5+ year contract, which he won't he'll get a bridge contract of $3M or less

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Well looking at cap geek the leafs have 4.8 cap space kadri will likely make 4 mil well Franson will likely want 3.5. What moves can the leafs do to get under the cap by the beginning of the season. I could be wrong.
First of all, Kadri won't be getting 4million for a good 48 games, unless its a long-term contract.

As for creating cap-space

Package a prospect with Liles for a lesser player (Carkner etc..)
Trade Kulemin for a package of prospect, picks..

All beat out losing Franson for a 2nd round pick..

or..

Another trade(s) that could send out non discussed players that would save us cap space.

People like to paint us into this doom-and-gloom type of situation when really we aren't, if Nonis thought we were Liles would've been bought out.

August has just begun, lots of time to figure this out.

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08-09-2013, 10:29 PM
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Why would I be joking? Why would I trade an important top nine forward for a player that may not re-sign with us (like you're seeing with the Leafs right now)? Why would I trade Higgins and make our scoring woes even bigger?
You should have just said you were joking and just ended it there

Why would any team trade for Franson if they couldn't get a deal done with him?

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08-09-2013, 10:32 PM
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You should have just said you were joking and just end it there

Why would any team trade for Franson if they couldn't get a deal done with him?
What? A poster proposed a trade involving Franson and the Canucks (Higgins + 7th), and I explained why it wouldn't work from a Canucks POV. That's all I was doing.

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They have somewhere around 7 million once the AHL signings are set back to the AHL.
Unfortunately if Nonis decides to go that way to create some cap leeway, he's starting the season with a 20 man roster...risky...

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Only the Leafs have his rights, until they trade his rights, no other team can talk to him.
This is cringe worthy. The outspoken moderator doesn't know what RFA means?

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This is cringe worthy. The outspoken moderator doesn't know what RFA means?
Meh, made a mistake, god forbid - no one is perfect.

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We really should just bridge Kadri and Franson
Absolutely.

I wouldn't mind extending Franson long term though
1 year at low figure, 3 on something higher.

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First of all, Kadri won't be getting 4million for a good 48 games, unless its a long-term contract.

As for creating cap-space

Package a prospect with Liles for a lesser player (Carkner etc..)
Trade Kulemin for a package of prospect, picks..

All beat out losing Franson for a 2nd round pick..

or..

Another trade(s) that could send out non discussed players that would save us cap space.

People like to paint us into this doom-and-gloom type of situation when really we aren't, if Nonis thought we were Liles would've been bought out.

August has just begun, lots of time to figure this out.
What if no team is willing to trade? I'm just saying this is a similar situation to what happened with ottawa and mezaroes to a certain extent. Unless i'm wrong. Just seems like alot of things have to go right with things out of Nonis hands. Saying that I assume Nonis is doing everything he can to lock him up.


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What if no team is willing to trade? I'm just saying this is a similar situation to what happened with ottawa and mezaroes to a certain extent. Unless i'm wrong. Just seems like alot of things have to go right with things out of Nonis hands. Saying that I assume Nonis is doing everything he can to lock him up.
I'm assuming Nonis has a couple leads being that he didn't buy out Liles.

Big chance Cody has also priced himself out, and Nonis is shopping him too, no doubt. But I'm sure he will be able to flip Franson for more then some of the junk being offered in this thread.

If he is, then I'd also assume he'd let whichever team to negotiate with Franson beforehand, ala Kessel situation, which will improve Cody's value compared to just trading his rights.

If Nonis is an intelligent man, that is.

He is the guy who rid 3/4 of LACK within a year, so I trust his judgement.

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Absolutely.

I wouldn't mind extending Franson long term though
1 year at low figure, 3 on something higher.
It'd be great to see Toronto do something to raise the bar.

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Honestly, you guys can't differentiate between a RFA and UFA, and your putting values on Franson's rights? 'He can't fetch more than 3rd' or '4th at most', yet doesn't know the difference between a RFA and UFA. Pathetic.
to be fair the title does specify "Franson's Rights"

A 2nd would be a signed 3.3M offersheet which either TO has to match or the other team gets a signed Franson. Expecting any more than a 3rd for just his rights is pathetic

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