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At season's end, which one to keep?

View Poll Results: At end of season, do you keep Markov or Diaz?
Markov, we need his experience in a young D-squad 54 61.36%
Diaz, poor man Markov on a budget 16 18.18%
Neither, Beaulieu is the one to insert in the lineup 18 20.45%
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08-10-2013, 08:24 AM
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At season's end, which one to keep?

Rational here is to ponder on whether you keep Markov or Diaz as your Power Play Specialist and low pairing defenseman.

[ Question ]
Do you keep Markov in a lesser role at a lower salary OR do you "replace" him with Diaz?

[ Markov ]
Was able to show he is back into form after several heavy injuries. Is still all around effective, but seems on the verge of losing a step in the years to come. Has been the defensive identity of the roster for many years and possess wealth of experience. Now the D-squad will be in the hands of Subban.

[ Diaz ]
Did not suffer a severe injury as Markov did, still got a serious concussion. To a lesser degree has all around capabilities. Is still developing so hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

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08-10-2013, 08:27 AM
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Better player is Markov, however I'd rather see both leave for a guy like Girardi.

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08-10-2013, 08:31 AM
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I thought of that as an option also. But I am not comfortable with the assets left in hand for our Power-Play. Or options would only be Subban and Beaulieu. Emelin has some promise but not his clear purpose in our roster.

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08-10-2013, 08:33 AM
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Letting Markov go would be a big mistake unless we trade for his replacement before July 1st.

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08-10-2013, 08:41 AM
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Keep Markov, let Beaulieu learn from him, unless Markov really has a horrible season or Diaz somehow has a season which we just can't let him walk.

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08-10-2013, 08:44 AM
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I would keep all of them. Pending the critical information that will be added in the coming season, anyway... that could make me change my mind.

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08-10-2013, 08:45 AM
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Markov AINEC.

Unless he has slowed down even more than last year, but I expect him to be about the same.

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08-10-2013, 08:47 AM
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The size-fetishists will immediately dismiss Diaz as not part of our future because he's not big enough. But the reality is a good team needs the type of intelligent, skilled D that Diaz can bring.

The Flyers are loaded with size on D but added Streit to fill the exact same role as Diaz can fill here. Diaz can manage a PP well, move the puck and has a very good shot. In a couple of years we'll have size with Tinordi, Beaulieu, Pateryn and other big prospects coming up. Diaz will complement them very well.

Keep Diaz, sign Markov to a reduced, two-year deal, unless we can make a major deal for an upgrade.

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08-10-2013, 08:47 AM
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The results we had in the past are awful when Markov is injured and not in the lineup. We need him like...so bad.

He could play as a 4th dman and on the powerplay, that would be perfect.

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08-10-2013, 09:36 AM
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Depends entirely on the upcoming season. If the team is out of the playoff picture at the deadline, UFA Markov has to be shipped to a contender for futures (same with Gionta). I can see a team like Detroit being all over him.

Being a UFA, Diaz can also be traded at that point but his return won't be close to Markov's.

If the team is on the PO picture, you keep them both and try to re-sign both.

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08-10-2013, 10:04 AM
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I would keep Markov but I think Diaz is a bit underrated here... he started the season on fire before he got injured. 13 points in 19 games is very good for a defenceman. Prorated to 82 games it would have been 56 points. To be conservative maybe he would have ended up somewhere between 40-45 points, which is still very good. Not to mention he's pretty solid defensively, he's a very smart player.

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08-10-2013, 10:15 AM
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Why it has to be one or the other?

Markov is a no brainer. Finished top 5 in the league among dmen for scoring. Reduce his icetime gradually and he's good for another 2-3 years at least.

If Diaz shows some improvement in his overall game, keep him as well and round out the d-squad with some thoughness (Tinordi, UFA or trade).

A D-squad with Subban, Markov, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz and Tinordi is OK. Not great, but still very fine for the next 2-3 years.

You can look for improvements/depth via trades or from within (Beaulieu, if he gets there).

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Why it has to be one or the other?

Markov is a no brainer. Finished top 5 in the league among dmen for scoring. Reduce his icetime gradually and he's good for another 2-3 years at least.

If Diaz shows some improvement in his overall game, keep him as well and round out the d-squad with some thoughness (Tinordi, UFA or trade).

A D-squad with Subban, Markov, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz and Tinordi is OK. Not great, but still very fine for the next 2-3 years.

You can look for improvements/depth via trades or from within (Beaulieu, if he gets there).
Exactly. Winning teams need a strong balance of skills. A healthy Diaz and Markov give us some much-needed passing/PP/transition skills, plus Diaz is becoming a very good shooter.

Habs could go from 'good' to 'great' D with a bigger presence around our own net, which is an easier fix than finding a defenceman with Diaz's skills.

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08-10-2013, 10:40 AM
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The most reasonable isn't on the board so I voted to insert Beaulieu in the lineup

Nothing prevents the habs from letting Markov test the market and re-hire him if there are no better options. We can always keep Diaz around too, but one thing is for sure: I'd want Beaulieu in the line up for 2014-2015 for at least half a season if not before that.

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Where the all of them option? Brolieu is too raw, Diaz could run the 2nd powerplay by his self if mt would give him the chance instead of bouillon. And markov is, well, markov. We need him like fried on rice

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08-10-2013, 10:46 AM
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I love Markov, but I figure it might be time to "pass the torch". He will be 35 in December, has a bad knee and has slowed down considerably. I do want Markov to retire as a Hab though, so if he doesn't plan on retiring, or going back to Russia to play a few more years in his home land, I'd keep him and sign him to a very short term (1-2 year), trade Diaz (cause he is worth his fair share IMO).


I voted for Diaz, and ideally Markov retires. Sign Diaz to a 3 year deal averaging 2.75-3 if he has a good season, keep developing Beaulieu into a PP monster over that period of time. That way you save a little money to get an extra big presence or something of the sort, while having 3 very capable puck movers/offensive Ds in Diaz, PK and Beaulieu.


I would be very comfortable having Subban-Gorges, Emelin-Diaz, Tinordi-Beaulieu as my top 6 going forward. you put Subban-Diaz as first PP pair and Beaulieu-Emelin as second

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No way Beaulieu will spend two more years in the AHL. He will be ready after this year or perhaps part way through it IMO and I can't see the Habs rolling with 4 offensive d-men in 2 years time or sitting one of them.

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08-10-2013, 10:55 AM
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Too early to tell. If Markov suffers another injury, he might have to call it quits. If he slows down more, then it'll depend on how much he wants.
Personally, I expect Markov to be even better this year. He played well last season considering he barely played any hockey. Anybody that wasn't impressed by Markov's performance after his injuries needs to give their head a shake. With a less condensed schedule, with some time off during the summer, with another off season training, I have no doubt he comes back in even better shape with better reflexes. He's also a smart player, so I'm convinced he made adjustments as well.

Beaulieu only played a few games. Tough to know where he's at.

Diaz needs to have a strong year as well. If he is injured again and struggles upon his return, not sure we'll offer him a contract.

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08-10-2013, 11:01 AM
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Diaz gets knocked off the puck, can't squeeze attacking forwards into the boards, does not clear the crease or intimidate. We don't need this on a team with the smallest and softest defence in the NHL.

If Diaz is as talented as some others insist he is then we should be able to get a great return when we trade him.

Like KrissE I also hope our talented Markov was playing safe and taking it easy on his knee last year and this season does not slow down at all -- maybe even speeds up a bit, guy can dream...

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Diaz gets knocked off the puck, can't squeeze attacking forwards into the boards, does not clear the crease or intimidate. We don't need this on a team with the smallest and softest defence in the NHL.

If Diaz is as talented as some others insist he is then we should be able to get a great return when we trade him.
That's why him and Tinordi would make a good pairing.

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08-10-2013, 11:06 AM
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That's why him and Tinordi would make a good pairing.
Rather see Emelin and Tinordi.

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People are dreaming in technicolour if they think we're better off without Markov. He's going to extend at ~5m a year with us or anyone else - and it'll be worth it.

Diaz was doing fine until his injury and then he came back and looked putrid (though Therrien's system is at fault also). I don't know what to make of him -- but he's no Mark Streit, that's for sure.

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Honestly:
Markov and Diaz would not do well as top 4 dmen for top teams like Chicago, Boston...maybe as #5-6 dmen? (or #4 dmen on those teams). Maybe. So for how long do we have to keep them?! (and why?! let's get better...but if we can only keep one I'd lean towards the one who can be signed relatively cheap or else look for UFA dmen, ex: Girardi).

The GM desperately needs to upgrade our top 4 D-corps.
This is a priority, imo.
(I want another PK Subban! I want another Tinordi! no more dmen that are not made for playoffs).



<PK Subban (best player we've had since Roy)
<Tinordi (I have high hopes for Jarred...I can see him becoming a playoffs warrior)
<Beaulieu
<Gorges?? (can he play like he did 2-3 yrs ago? he better)
<Emelin (injured...I like him as our #5-6)
<Markov (time to move on for next year...hopefully we get something for him but he always has that NO TRADE CLAUSE...#$%^&*#$)
<Diaz (not sure if he's a playoffs dman...we shall see...I see him more as a regular season dman like Markov...that's not good enough for me since it's all about the playoffs)
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Markov is a big reason Subban won the Norris. No, it wasn't his usual pre-injury defensive play that did it but his vision on the PP helped Subban a lot. Subban aside, he's just a perfect PP guy and top 4 D man. I'm still hopeful after a full year of hockey he'll have better conditioning for next year too.

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08-10-2013, 12:18 PM
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Honestly:
Markov and Diaz would not do well as top 4 dmen for top teams like Chicago, Boston...maybe as #5-6 dmen? (or #4 dmen on those teams). Maybe. So for how long do we have to keep them?! (and why?! let's get better...but if we can only keep one I'd lean towards the one who can be signed relatively cheap or else look for UFA dmen, ex: Girardi).


Any of those teams would gladly take Markov, and they would do very well with him.

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