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08-10-2013, 01:34 PM
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And I wouldn't consider 31% dominating so dramatically.
Yeah, I personally find 31 to be a terrible number

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08-10-2013, 01:59 PM
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Sweet baby Jesus.

You should probably just ignore this thread if it causes that much distress to you.

And I wouldn't consider 31% dominating so dramatically.
I know it is a game. It does not distress me in any way shape or form. I was just pointing out that 5 people have dominated the voting. I did not mean to upset 2 of those 5 people.

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08-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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Derick Brassard (20)
Ryan Callahan "C" (25) +2 = 27
Carl Hagelin (27)
Rick Nash (30)
Derek Stepan (38)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi (19)
Marc Staal "A" (33)
Anton Strålman (16) -2 = 14
Damn, getting pretty tough now.

Derick Brassard (20) - 2 = (18)
Ryan Callahan "C" (27)
Carl Hagelin (27) + 1 = (28)
Rick Nash (30)
Derek Stepan (38) + 1 = (39)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi (19)
Marc Staal "A" (33)
Anton Strålman (14)

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08-10-2013, 03:34 PM
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Derick Brassard (18) - 1 = (17)
Ryan Callahan "C" (27)
Carl Hagelin (28) - 1 = (27)
Rick Nash (30) + 2 = (32)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi (19)
Marc Staal "A" (33)
Anton Strålman (14)

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08-10-2013, 05:45 PM
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Nicky, thankfully we change voting quite a bit. For example, I only gave my +2 to del Zotto 8 out of 9 times.

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08-10-2013, 07:04 PM
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Derick Brassard (18) - 1 = (17)
Ryan Callahan "C" (27)
Carl Hagelin (28) - 1 = (27)
Rick Nash (30) + 2 = (32)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi (19)
Marc Staal "A" (33)
Anton Strålman (14)

Well first, this is my first post in the Rangers section. I guess that means I should probably explain my votes...

I absolutely love Callahan as what he is- a third line grinder who fights once or twice a year. With the caliber of minutes and high slotting he's been given, he's a turnover machine, he makes bad decisions with the puck and his offensive flare is extremely inconsistent. I still think he's one of the most valuable middle six RW's in the league, but I don't think he's the type of player that comes anywhere near defining a contender franchise. He's defensively solid, a great PK'er, but so was Prust, and he beat the crap out of people.

Hagelin is knocked down a notch because he's the epitome of mediocrity. He has two moves- bouncing the puck along the boards outside a defender and winning the footrace and beating fundamentally unsound goaltenders on the wraparound. He's a good energy role player but he is not a top 6 caliber LW on any legitimate contender. He hits soft, and no one is afraid of being gently caressed into the boards by a Swede pillowcase. His forecheck is not a deterrent. His defensive play is mediocre- nowhere near even grazing the belly button of Callahan's. His shot isn't great. Nothing about him is anywhere above 'average,' he brings no unique quality to the table.

I feel like I need to point out that I personally like Cally and Hags both a lot, but I like the Rangers more, and neither of these guys scream anything close to MVP.

I used my +2 on Dan Girardi because I love watching the guy play. He's one of the few exceptional players currently wearing a Rangers sweater. He's just smart, and that's what it comes down to. He takes away all the low percentage shots and passes, he gets back in the high risk neutral zone situations, he blocks shots like he's made out of steel. He's just so reliable and consistent. Watching DZ play should increase every Rangers fan's opinion of Girardi- he might not be flashy, but he does his job, and he does it well.

There are a couple of players I would've upvoted (McD among them) but I was more focused on evening the playing field as much as I could. I hope I haven't alienated the entire Rangers board with my first post in the section.
Ryan Callahan -1 26
Carl Hagelin -1 27
Rick Nash 32
Derek Stepan 39

Ryan McDonagh 39
Dan Girardi +2 21
Marc Staal 33
Anton Stralman 14

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08-10-2013, 07:08 PM
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Well first, this is my first post in the Rangers section. I guess that means I should probably explain my votes...

I absolutely love Callahan as what he is- a third line grinder who fights once or twice a year. With the caliber of minutes and high slotting he's been given, he's a turnover machine, he makes bad decisions with the puck and his offensive flare is extremely inconsistent. I still think he's one of the most valuable middle six RW's in the league, but I don't think he's the type of player that comes anywhere near defining a contender franchise. He's defensively solid, a great PK'er, but so was Prust, and he beat the crap out of people.

Hagelin is knocked down a notch because he's the epitome of mediocrity. He has two moves- bouncing the puck along the boards outside a defender and winning the footrace and beating fundamentally unsound goaltenders on the wraparound. He's a good energy role player but he is not a top 6 caliber LW on any legitimate contender. He hits soft when he bothers to hit at all, his defensive play is mediocre- nowhere near even grazing the belly button of Callahan's. His shot isn't great. Nothing about him is anywhere above 'average,' he brings no unique quality to the table.

I feel like I need to point out that I personally like Cally and Hags both a lot, but I like the Rangers more, and neither of these guys scream anything close to MVP.

I used my +2 on Dan Girardi because I love watching the guy play. He's one of the few exceptional players currently wearing a Rangers sweater. He's just smart, and that's what it comes down to. He takes away all the low percentage shots and passes, he gets back in the high risk neutral zone situations, he blocks shots like he's made out of steel. He's just so reliable and consistent. Watching DZ play should increase every Rangers fan's opinion of Girardi- he might not be flashy, but he does his job, and he does it well.

There are a couple of players I would've upvoted (McD among them) but I was more focused on evening the playing field as much as I could. I hope I haven't alienated the entire Rangers board with my first post in the section.
Ryan Callahan -1 26
Carl Hagelin -1 26
Rick Nash 32
Derek Stepan 39

Ryan McDonagh 39
Dan Girardi +2 21
Marc Staal 33
Anton Stralman 14
Haven't played this. Sometimes it reminds me of a popularity contest. Anyway no problem with your logic. You did leave out Brassard though--who is a hard player at this point in time to judge but considering he led the team in scoring in the playoffs he should get some love for that.

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08-10-2013, 07:10 PM
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Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan (26)
Carl Hagelin (27)
Rick Nash (32)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi (21)
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Interesting how Stralman is still at 14 when DZ and Moore are both out. The hate is immense.

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08-10-2013, 07:15 PM
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Interesting how Stralman is still at 14 when DZ and Moore are both out. The hate is immense.
He's a) right handed and b) quietly developed into quite a good defenseman in his own right.

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Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan +1 (27)
Carl Hagelin -1 (26)
Rick Nash (32)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (39)
Dan Girardi +1(22)
Marc Staal (33)
Anton Stralman -1(13)

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Stralman>Moore

Big whoop wanna fight about it?

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08-10-2013, 07:29 PM
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Stralman's great. I don't feel like I'm gonna ralph when he's in the defensive zone.

Edit: Before anyone has a nervous breakdown, I'm not saying he's better than anyone.


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He's a) right handed and b) quietly developed into quite a good defenseman in his own right.
It seems like summer of 2013 is all about being right handed. I should ask for a raise based on my right handed attributes. "But HFBoards said so..."

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MDZ>>>>Stralman>Moore
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Del Zotto going out before Stralman is a black mark on this fanbase.

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Del Zotto going out before Stralman is a black mark on this fanbase.
Brian Boyle went before all 3. Figure that bull****tery out

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Ryan Callahan (27)
Carl Hagelin (26)
Rick Nash (32)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41) +2
Dan Girardi (21) -1
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Interesting how Stralman is still at 14 when DZ and Moore are both out. The hate is immense.
This is something that makes sense. Stralman has untapped offensive upside, sure, but he's a defenseman, which is something DZ needs to remember. DZ got skated around like a pylon consistently in the playoffs, and it's not something he only struggles with in high pressure situations. He's an incomplete art project with the *potential* offensive ability. I could overlook his defensive deficiencies if he was as offensively ept as guys like Subban or Letang, but he doesn't have anything close to that upside. His demonstrated skill and production should have made that obvious by now. (inb4 let's blame Torts for offensive woes- Gabs scored 40 twice, and Cally put up 29 in 2012, just as quick examples.)

Moore is a kid. Yes, he has potential. Yes, he has size. Yes, he can skate. But he still has yet to put it all together, and he has plenty of time to grow.

Stralman has been a consistent second pairing defenseman for us. He plays smart, he plays hard, he knows where to be. He doesn't make egregious errors. I struggle to see any valid argument for Stralman being less valuable to the team in its current state than Deezy or Moore.

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Haven't played this. Sometimes it reminds me of a popularity contest. Anyway no problem with your logic. You did leave out Brassard though--who is a hard player at this point in time to judge but considering he led the team in scoring in the playoffs he should get some love for that.
Yes, I agree. Copy error more than anything else. I have enjoyed Brassard quite a lot.

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Brian Boyle went before all 3. Figure that bull****tery out
sorry about that

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This is something that makes sense. Stralman has untapped offensive upside, sure, but he's a defenseman, which is something DZ needs to remember. DZ got skated around like a pylon consistently in the playoffs, and it's not something he only struggles with in high pressure situations. He's an incomplete art project with the *potential* offensive ability. I could overlook his defensive deficiencies if he was as offensively ept as guys like Subban or Letang, but he doesn't have anything close to that upside. His demonstrated skill and production should have made that obvious by now. (inb4 let's blame Torts for offensive woes- Gabs scored 40 twice, and Cally put up 29 in 2012, just as quick examples.)

Moore is a kid. Yes, he has potential. Yes, he has size. Yes, he can skate. But he still has yet to put it all together, and he has plenty of time to grow.

Stralman has been a consistent second pairing defenseman for us. He plays smart, he plays hard, he knows where to be. He doesn't make egregious errors. I struggle to see any valid argument for Stralman being less valuable to the team in its current state than Deezy or Moore.
Tortorella before his ouster seemed bent on grooming Moore into McDonagh redux. Moore didn't quite get the assignments that McDonagh did but it was almost eerie (if you weren't noticing that) how Moore reminded you of McDonagh. The size, the speed, the positional play, the movement of the puck off of his stick. Moore needs to build on that. Just guessing but as of now Falk and McIlrath seem to be the only realistic players who have any chance of keeping Moore out of the top 6. It appears to me that Moore's minor league days are over.

I agree with your assessment of Del Zotto. He is not great in his own end. He usually is okay. Size and strength are both issues for him. His skating sometimes seems on the slow side. People talk of him as a 40 point player but he's only actually done that one time. Sometimes I wonder if he's already plateaued. He needs to get to at least 50 points. 40 points is just not enough for your top pwp point man.

Stralman has become a steady guy. A gamer with good skills who can skate and pass. That's why he's become a top 4 d-man.

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I don't like how this has turned into serious discussion

Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan (27) + (2) = (29)
Carl Hagelin (26)
Rick Nash (32) - (2) = (30)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41)
Dan Girardi (21)
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I don't like how this has turned into serious discussion

Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan (27) + (2) = (29)
Carl Hagelin (26)
Rick Nash (32) - (2) = (30)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41)
Dan Girardi (21)
Marc Staal (33)
Anton Stralman (12)
Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan (29)
Carl Hagelin (26)
Rick Nash (30)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41)
Dan Girardi (21) + (2) = (23)
Marc Staal (33)
Anton Stralman (12) - (2) = (10)

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Derick Brassard (17)
Ryan Callahan (29)
Carl Hagelin (26)
Rick Nash (30)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41)
Dan Girardi (21) + (2) = (23)
Marc Staal (33)
Anton Stralman (12) - (2) = (10)
Derick Brassard (17) +2 (19)
Ryan Callahan (29)
Carl Hagelin (26) -2 (24)
Rick Nash (30)
Derek Stepan (39)

Ryan McDonagh (41)
Dan Girardi (23)
Marc Staal (33)
Anton Stralman (10)

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