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08-12-2013, 03:00 PM
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I disagree. Visnovsky will be replaced before Amac. Plus a still young Amac signed for around 4 million for 2 or so years left is a VERY tradeable contract.
I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Don't get me wrong, 2yrs would be ideal for the Isles. But I really don't think he'd be interested signing short term. He's gonna want 4+ yrs...and if Garth won't give it, someone else will.

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08-12-2013, 03:14 PM
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I have a feeling( it may just be gas pains) but how about snow tears up the last year and signs him to a call it team friendly discount like the others but a longer term like hammer. The good gesture by snow may be what it takes to save a few million on the term and keep one more piece of the puzzle happy.
Terms I can't say but similar if not the same as hamonic

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He is a core player and will fall right in line with other core player contracts.

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Andrew Ference.
He's much better than Ference.

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I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Don't get me wrong, 2yrs would be ideal for the Isles. But I really don't think he'd be interested signing short term. He's gonna want 4+ yrs...and if Garth won't give it, someone else will.
I like MacDonald, but personally if de Haan stays healthy next season and plays the way I believe he's capable of playing, I could care less if AMac walks(no offense to the AMac fan-club).

IMO, de Haan's future here is with Hamonic, which appears to be top-pairing given Hammer being our best defenseman. Strait has proven to be at least a quality bottom-pairing guy, so that only leaves the 2nd pairing as far as LHD openings go: IMO, that spot is all but being warmed for Reinhart, who I expect to be here by the start of 2014-15 the latest(coincidently, the season after MacDonald becomes a UFA).

I suppose it all depends on de Haan, but I'm sure I'm higher on him/have more confidence in him staying healthy than most.

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I like MacDonald, but personally if de Haan stays healthy next season and plays the way I believe he's capable of playing, I could care less if AMac walks(no offense to the AMac fan-club).

IMO, de Haan's future here is with Hamonic, which appears to be top-pairing given Hammer being our best defenseman. Strait has proven to be at least a quality bottom-pairing guy, so that only leaves the 2nd pairing as far as LHD openings go: IMO, that spot is all but being warmed for Reinhart, who I expect to be here by the start of 2014-15 the latest(coincidently, the season after MacDonald becomes a UFA).

I suppose it all depends on de Haan, but I'm sure I'm higher on him/have more confidence in him staying healthy than most.
I think you are seriously overestimating de Haan. MAYBE in five years, if he stays in one piece and develops, he'll be at the level MacDonald is at now.

He is in no way, shape, or form a guy who suddenly makes Andy Mac replaceable.

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I don't really think AMAc is too expendable at this point. Right now, only Donovan is slated to make the team this year. If AMac walks, who are our veterans on D? Hamonic, Visnovsky, and a sophomore Donovan? Strait and Hickey? And despite our glut of talented D prospects that are inching closer to the NHL, none of them are sure things, and they'd be better insulted in the NHL if AMac was there, so they would be force-fed big minutes.

Granted, all of that hinges on cap hit and length.

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I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Don't get me wrong, 2yrs would be ideal for the Isles. But I really don't think he'd be interested signing short term. He's gonna want 4+ yrs...and if Garth won't give it, someone else will.
Sorry, I guess I was not clear enough. I meant that if the Islanders were to sign Amac for 4 or 5 years, it would give the Pulock's and Mayfield's time to develop. THEN Amac would have around 2 years left, which would be very tradeable.

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I like MacDonald, but personally if de Haan stays healthy next season and plays the way I believe he's capable of playing, I could care less if AMac walks(no offense to the AMac fan-club).

IMO, de Haan's future here is with Hamonic, which appears to be top-pairing given Hammer being our best defenseman. Strait has proven to be at least a quality bottom-pairing guy, so that only leaves the 2nd pairing as far as LHD openings go: IMO, that spot is all but being warmed for Reinhart, who I expect to be here by the start of 2014-15 the latest(coincidently, the season after MacDonald becomes a UFA).

I suppose it all depends on de Haan, but I'm sure I'm higher on him/have more confidence in him staying healthy than most.
Oh boy... You really want to replace Amac's 20 or so minutes a night with DeHann who has ONE NHL game under his belt? wow

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Sorry, I guess I was not clear enough. I meant that if the Islanders were to sign Amac for 4 or 5 years, it would give the Pulock's and Mayfield's time to develop. THEN Amac would have around 2 years left, which would be very tradeable.



Oh boy... You really want to replace Amac's 20 or so minutes a night with DeHann who has ONE NHL game under his belt? wow
I totally agree with you on this one, which is not a shot at blinkman.

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He's much better than Ference.
I was simply naming a UFA defenseman who made inbetween 3-4M per.

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I was simply naming a UFA defenseman who made inbetween 3-4M per.
I honestly think Girardi is a great comparison.


Signed when he was 25/26, at the time was very similar to AMaC, besides for maybe being more physical and saw a 4 year at $3.4.

No doubt AMaC makes more, at this cap, in this market though.

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I was simply naming a UFA defenseman who made inbetween 3-4M per.
Ference is a good #5 guy, or a marginal #4 guy in case of injury. AM is at least a #2/3 guy IMO, and comparing him to Ference is way off base.

Also, Ference was 34 and signed in a year where a lot of teams did not have cap space.

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08-12-2013, 06:32 PM
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Ference is a good #5 guy, or a marginal #4 guy in case of injury. AM is at least a #2/3 guy IMO, and comparing him to Ference is way off base.

Also, Ference was 34 and signed in a year where a lot of teams did not have cap space.
By no means was I comparing Ference and AMac as players.

Also, remember we are talking about Garth Snow here. I have a hard time believing AMac will command 4+M per.

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AMAC has paid his dues and deserves a nice payday. Hopefully when some of our more highly touted defense prospects develope they will push AMAC down the depth chart making our team stronger. If AMAC is your #4-6 Dman then your team is is excellent shape on defense

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By no means was I comparing Ference and AMac as players.

Also, remember we are talking about Garth Snow here. I have a hard time believing AMac will command 4+M per.
Vish did.

Snow has offered that money to other players too.

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Andrew Ference.
I don't see the Islanders offering him more than 3.5 for 4 years max. I think if he's going to get more it will be a shorter term or it will be from someone else. There is no way he's getting 5 mil from the Islanders or anyone else unless he has an allstar season this year.

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08-12-2013, 06:50 PM
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Vish did.

Snow has offered that money to other players too.
Frans didn't command UFA market value.

Snow has been successful at retaining homegrown talent on below market value terms (excluding Bailey).

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I feel like he'll take a cut. Around 2.5-3.

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Well it wouldn't shock me considering Hamonic just came off his ELC while AMac has been making peanuts for quite some time now.
...and he made that choice by taking term on a one-way deal. At that time, he was two-way eligible.

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Sorry, I guess I was not clear enough. I meant that if the Islanders were to sign Amac for 4 or 5 years, it would give the Pulock's and Mayfield's time to develop. THEN Amac would have around 2 years left, which would be very tradeable.
Although I agree with u and think ur strategy makes a lot of sense, I still don't see Garth offering him a deal more than 2 or maybe 3yrs max, and I'll tell you why...

At the end of last season Parenteau was in a situation very similar to the one Macdonald will find himself in. Just like AMac, Parenteau was a good team guy that logged big minutes, played an important role and put up some pretty good stats....but what happened? He walked.

Why did Garth let him go? I dunno for sure but IMO it was just to make space for the kids comin up, but whatev, we'll never know.

Same things gonna happen to Amac, watch.

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...and he made that choice by taking term on a one-way deal. At that time, he was two-way eligible.
And to be honest, I don't think he regrets it. At the time he was fresh out of the AHL but could have found himself back in easily. 4 years and 2 million guaranteed sounds terrific to most.

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We'll pay him if Dion walks.

One of my fave Isles Dmen

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My fellow Isles fans may not like to hear this, but I could really see MacDonald getting a payday higher than what Snow gave Hamonic.
Definitely, he's giving up UFA years compared to Hamonic's RFA years. I'm guessing around 4 million for 5 years.

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3.5 per, 6 years.

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3.5 per, 6 years.
i would offer this. could he get more elsewhere? i believe so, but i would peg his value at no more than $4 per.

the Isles definitely have need for him, for a few years at least. his experience is valuable, but the Isles are lacking in grit on D, so....

while not be the best idea to slot a youngster in his place (DeHaan, Donovan, etc...), there is also the possibility that one of the kids can exceed what AM is doing, for cheaper. not that cap space is an issue, but 'homegrown' and 'budget' seem to be the key words in Snow's long term plan. the 'kids' will be 23 and 24 in 2014, and are high draft picks. not really kids anymore.

a lot will depend on how Donovan and DeHaan play this year. and wildcards Reinhart, Mayfield, and Pedan. and wilder-cards, Dalhuesin (sp?), Pokka, Pelech and Pulock.

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