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08-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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Yankees have tons of prospects they are just a few years away. How far are they away? That should decide whether or not the Yankees want to sign Cano to a big deal if they r going to refuse to spend money? Sanchez, Murphy, Williams, Heathcott, Austin, Campos, Ramirez, Clarkin, Jaigelo, Judge. Obviously all wont pan out, but they are legit prospects

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Yeah forgot about Juan. He's been impressive. Definitely need another bat: either a SS or RF/LF, or both. Not sure what the plan is with Byrd. I'm guessing they want to bring him back for another year, otherwise he would have been dealt(either that or Sandy foolishly thought this team could go on a legendary run and make the playoffs...). Murphy is inconsistent, but we can't afford to lose him. I'd rather try to move Flores over to 1st, have him work with Keith or something and maybe use Ike in a platoon role. See how it goes. My expecations for Ike at this point are pretty non-existent, unfortunately.

I'm sure this isn't a popular opinion, but if Syndergaard is the real deal I'd call up Texas about a Wheeler for Profar swap. Sign Choo(unlikely, but you never know) in the offseason and the team could actually be somewhat competitive next season. A combo of Wright, Murph, Wilmer/Ike, d'Arnaud, Profar, Choo, Lagares could be end up making a pretty solid lineup.
There really is no point to tarde wheeler just because syndergaard is doing so well. You have to hold onto harvey wheeler and syndergaard at all costs. They dont need a guy like stanton to win. All they need is 2 or 3 decent free agents signings. Thet also have D'arnaud and Flores who look like legit young hitters. Pitching wins just ask the Giants who have won 2 out of 3 years

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The Mets would be stupid to trade any of their 3 pitchers. Pitching wins championships.

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08-12-2013, 05:23 PM
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The Mets would be stupid to trade any of their 3 pitchers. Pitching wins championships.
Exactly. I understand we need some more bats but great pitching is harder to find then bats. Mets could probably package a guy like montero and get a decent bat. It might not be Stabton or Cargo but those guys are way too expensive

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Yankees have tons of prospects they are just a few years away. How far are they away? That should decide whether or not the Yankees want to sign Cano to a big deal if they r going to refuse to spend money? Sanchez, Murphy, Williams, Heathcott, Austin, Campos, Ramirez, Clarkin, Jaigelo, Judge. Obviously all wont pan out, but they are legit prospects
It will be interesting to see will they be aggressive with a college prospect. Yankees are known to take their time with promotions.

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Holy Kuroda...

Last 10 games, 13 runs. 1.74 ERA

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Exactly. I understand we need some more bats but great pitching is harder to find then bats. Mets could probably package a guy like montero and get a decent bat. It might not be Stabton or Cargo but those guys are way too expensive
I wouldn't trade any of the high ceiling guys. The big three plus Mejia and Montero should be absolutely untouchable. The great thing about pitching is that even the decent cost controlled guys can bring in a good return. The smart play would be to wait a year to let everyone get established and then dangle a guy like Gee or maybe Niese if the Mets are only a bat away at that point. In the meantime, they should sign both Ellsbury and Choo.

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You guys do realize that Stanton is only 23, right? Anyone not named Harvey should be available for him.

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I wouldn't trade any of the high ceiling guys. The big three plus Mejia and Montero should be absolutely untouchable. The great thing about pitching is that even the decent cost controlled guys can bring in a good return. The smart play would be to wait a year to let everyone get established and then dangle a guy like Gee or maybe Niese if the Mets are only a bat away at that point. In the meantime, they should sign both Ellsbury and Choo.
Sure but then you can't trade for anyone if you're taking your top 5 young SP off the market...Niese/Gee value are not nearly as much plus Niese has a great cost control contract so we should try and hang on to him. No problem with either Ellsbury or Choo.

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You guys do realize that Stanton is only 23, right? Anyone not named Harvey should be available for him.
I don't know if the rumored offered from the Pirates of Cole/Taillon/Marte is true or not (would guess not because thats way too much) but if so then 1.we have no shot of getting Stanton 2. nobody had a shot to get Stanton 3. lol marlins for rejecting that.

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I don't know if the rumored offered from the Pirates of Cole/Taillon/Marte is true or not (would guess not because thats way too much) but if so then 1.we have no shot of getting Stanton 2. nobody had a shot to get Stanton 3. lol marlins for rejecting that.
Hahaha - if that offer actually happened, then I agree with all three points.

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Sure but then you can't trade for anyone if you're taking your top 5 young SP off the market...Niese/Gee value are not nearly as much plus Niese has a great cost control contract so we should try and hang on to him. No problem with either Ellsbury or Choo.
I think if Niese has a season next year like he had last season, then he will have a lot of trade value should they choose to deal him. Plus, they'd still have whichever out of Niese/Gee they didn't deal as depth.

It still remains to be seen whether the Wilpons are willing to spend the cash necessary to seriously contend. It's a big if, and if they're not, then we're wasting our time. But if the Wilpons are actually willing to spend and land those two outfielders, then the lineup will already have Wright, Flores, d'Arnaud, Ellsbury, and Choo. If they flip one of Gee or Niese for a strong, not superstar, caliber bat, then that's probably a good enough lineup to contend with the kind of pitching we'd have.

Also, Fulmer pitched tonight: 6 IP 1 ER 2 H 8 K 4 BB
Hooray more pitching prospects.

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Hahaha - if that offer actually happened, then I agree with all three points.
The source told Marlin Maniac that the Pirates offered the Marlins a compelling offer, which included both cost-controlled major league players and a top pitching prospect. The Pirates offered the Marlins rookie pitcher Gerrit Cole, outfielder Starling Marte, and prospects James Taillon and Stetson Allie for Stanton, Steve Cishek, and Justin Ruggiano.

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The Mets got screwed tongiht by the umpires when the bases were loaded. I usually dont complain about that stuff but lagares got 6 balls thrown to him especially the last one that was 10 feet out of the batters box

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This just popped into my head, but how awesome were the Yankees 1990 amateur and regular drafts?


Rivera was signed by the Yankees organization in 1990 as an amateur free agent in Panama.. The greatest closer ever, 5X WS champion, 13X All Star, All time Saves leader.

Posada was drafted in the 24th round... 5 X WS champion, 5X All Star

Pettitte was drafted in the 22nd round of the 1990 draft. 5X WS champ, 3X all star, winningest pitcher in Playoff history.

If you think about it, in baseball you hope one of your draft picks pan out, The Yankees had 3 all stars, one being the greatest of all time at his position.

Shane Spencer and Ricky Ledee were also drafted, who were good role players. and Ledee turned into David Justice.

Incredible

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The Mets got screwed tongiht by the umpires when the bases were loaded. I usually dont complain about that stuff but lagares got 6 balls thrown to him especially the last one that was 10 feet out of the batters box
OK, let's reel that back into reality for a minute. The called strike three did look to be outside...by inches, not 10 feet. Difficult pitch to take with two strikes...Belisario has a lot of movement on his fastball.

The other issue during Lageres' at bat was a check swing that was called strike. Cohen and Hernandez complained about that one for a while, but since they never showed the replay from the first base camera (they showed it three times from the center field camera for some reason), it was impossible to tell.

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The source told Marlin Maniac that the Pirates offered the Marlins a compelling offer, which included both cost-controlled major league players and a top pitching prospect. The Pirates offered the Marlins rookie pitcher Gerrit Cole, outfielder Starling Marte, and prospects James Taillon and Stetson Allie for Stanton, Steve Cishek, and Justin Ruggiano.

Holy overpayment. Pirates should consider themselves lucky that Miami rejected it.

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OK, let's reel that back into reality for a minute. The called strike three did look to be outside...by inches, not 10 feet. Difficult pitch to take with two strikes...Belisario has a lot of movement on his fastball.

The other issue during Lageres' at bat was a check swing that was called strike. Cohen and Hernandez complained about that one for a while, but since they never showed the replay from the first base camera (they showed it three times from the center field camera for some reason), it was impossible to tell.
SNY doesn't have a 1st/3rd base cam at away games.

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Holy overpayment. Pirates should consider themselves lucky that Miami rejected it.
indeed.. Stanton is good but that offer is LOL overpayment

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OK, let's reel that back into reality for a minute. The called strike three did look to be outside...by inches, not 10 feet. Difficult pitch to take with two strikes...Belisario has a lot of movement on his fastball.

The other issue during Lageres' at bat was a check swing that was called strike. Cohen and Hernandez complained about that one for a while, but since they never showed the replay from the first base camera (they showed it three times from the center field camera for some reason), it was impossible to tell.
It was a ball. Clear cut. Missed call by the ump. Lagares is not one to normally complain either. Quiet guy. It turned on the bad defense and an umpire call. Correct the defense and that call has less burden. Mets win with fundies down. Did not happen. Mejia was not in proper position. He needs to work on his bunting too. He has pitched very well. The rest is repetition.

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Over his career.. with runners on base, opponents hit .211 off RobertsonRISP? .216RISP w 2outs? .228Bases loaded? .146

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Mike sounds like he's trying to get Maddon sued.

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Mike sounds like he's trying to get Maddon sued.
Whats doofus saying now?

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Mike sounds like he's trying to get Maddon sued.
Mike Francesa loves AROD. He always sticks up for him. I dont hate most Yankee fans but Francesa is the type of yankee fan that annoys me

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OK, let's reel that back into reality for a minute. The called strike three did look to be outside...by inches, not 10 feet. Difficult pitch to take with two strikes...Belisario has a lot of movement on his fastball.

The other issue during Lageres' at bat was a check swing that was called strike. Cohen and Hernandez complained about that one for a while, but since they never showed the replay from the first base camera (they showed it three times from the center field camera for some reason), it was impossible to tell.

Jersey. I was being sarcastic when i said 10 feet.

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