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08-14-2013, 04:14 PM
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Rick Nash's contract expires when he's 34. If Lundqvist will take a contract that expires when he's 34, I'm sure the Rangers would be more than willing to make him their highest paid player. Otherwise it shouldn't be comparable.
I'd be happy to give Hank 8M/per on a 3 year extension...but I doubt he's looking for a contract that expires when he's 35.

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08-14-2013, 04:23 PM
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Seems very insecure to also want to make sure you are the highest paid guy on the team. Insecure and childish.
Funny, I have the same thoughts regarding your opinion on the subject being you have no idea how the negotiations are going, or where the #'s are between player and team. It hasn't stopped you from running with this crap about egos and structure of the team though.

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Its quite simple why u pay Hank 8M, IF he hits UFA, u pay that no question probably more. I cant believe people have an issue with him being the highest paid Ranger.

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Its quite simple why u pay Hank 8M, IF he hits UFA, u pay that no question probably more. I cant believe people have an issue with him being the highest paid Ranger.
I think the issue is more term than salary. I'd be happy to pay Hank ~8 for the next few years. The problem is if he gets 8.5 on an 8 year deal, because that means he's probably getting a salary of ~11 the next few years and then ~5 later. That could really cause some problems in the future.

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I think the issue is more term than salary. I'd be happy to pay Hank ~8 for the next few years. The problem is if he gets 8.5 on an 8 year deal, because that means he's probably getting a salary of ~11 the next few years and then ~5 later. That could really cause some problems in the future.
understood, but if he hits UFA.... IMO, we pay that and then some.

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Funny, I have the same thoughts regarding your opinion on the subject being you have no idea how the negotiations are going, or where the #'s are between player and team. It hasn't stopped you from running with this crap about egos and structure of the team though.
awww.

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Its quite simple why u pay Hank 8M, IF he hits UFA, u pay that no question probably more. I cant believe people have an issue with him being the highest paid Ranger.
If Hank is going to walk over 4 million over the life of a contract, then he's not worth the jersey he wears.

7.5 is more than fair as it covers both being paid as an elite level player and makes him the highest paid player at his position over the next 7 years.

I love the guy. Been a fan of his since before he made the journey across the pond.

I love the jersey alot more than the player.

I was Happy Mess left in 97 as he tried to hold the franchise hostage, I'd be just as happy if Hank left due to the same BS.

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08-14-2013, 05:16 PM
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If Hank is going to walk over 4 million over the life of a contract, then he's not worth the jersey he wears.

7.5 is more than fair as it covers both being paid as an elite level player and makes him the highest paid player at his position over the next 7 years.

I love the guy. Been a fan of his since before he made the journey across the pond.

I love the jersey alot more than the player.

I was Happy Mess left in 97 as he tried to hold the franchise hostage, I'd be just as happy if Hank left due to the same BS.
Yea, Im always happy when the Rangers make decisions that clearly make them worse.

Take away the singular player that has made the Rangers an above average team in the NHL, and hand Sather the cap space with no goaltender. What can possibly go wrong?

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Yea, Im always happy when the Rangers make decisions that clearly make them worse.

Take away the singular player that has made the Rangers an above average team in the NHL, and hand Sather the cap space with no goaltender. What can possibly go wrong?
Zzzzzzzzz.

No singular player does that. If they did, Nashville wouldn't have been 4th last in the league last season.

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Zzzzzzzzz.

No singular player does that. If they did, Nashville wouldn't have been 4th last in the league last season.
You dont think this team goes from pretty good to mediocre without Lundqvist? You don't think they take a nosedive if he were to walk? C'mon.

Theres a time to penny pinch. In fact, its most of the time. This isn't the time to be haggling over a few hundred thousand dollars.

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You dont think this team goes from pretty good to mediocre without Lundqvist? You don't think they take a nosedive if he were to walk? C'mon.
Of course if he walks it would be a huge hit to the team.

There's a big difference between that and him being the singular reason for any success.

In his time with the team, they've finished anywhere from 1st to 9th in the conference, so there are other variables there.

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Rangers turn into quite a mediocre team if Hank walks.

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You dont think this team goes from pretty good to mediocre without Lundqvist? You don't think they take a nosedive if he were to walk? C'mon.

Theres a time to penny pinch. In fact, its most of the time. This isn't the time to be haggling over a few hundred thousand dollars.
Hank going to FA with the cap going up and plenty of teams needing a goalie who instantly can turn them into a contender or favorite, what could go wrong?

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Rangers turn into quite a mediocre team if Hank walks.
You're probably right...considering the Rangers haven't been much better than mediocre WITH Hank.


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It's about 8.6 million USD.
You misplaced a comma, its 86m. 10.75m AAV.

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You misplaced a comma, its 86m. 10.75m AAV.
You're correct, I have no idea what I was thinking.

That AAV makes me want to barf. Hank isn't worth 11 mil per for 8 years, sorry. I wouldn't pay him that kind of money even on a shorter term deal. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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You're correct, I have no idea what I was thinking.

That AAV makes me want to barf. Hank isn't worth 11 mil per for 8 years, sorry. I wouldn't pay him that kind of money even on a shorter term deal. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I find its a good use of my time to get worked up over BS reports as well.

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Of course if he walks it would be a huge hit to the team.

There's a big difference between that and him being the singular reason for any success.

In his time with the team, they've finished anywhere from 1st to 9th in the conference, so there are other variables there.
Hockey is the ultimate team sport in a lot of ways. And if we're getting into the semantics of it, sure, no singular player is totally responsible for a team's success (or failure).

But I've been watching the Rangers for a long term, and Lundqvist sure is the closest thing I've seen to it.

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He's worth the money.

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I didn't read through, but a big +1 to any post(if any, and I'm sure there has to be) mentioning something about handing the kid a blank check with a blank piece of paper saying only the word "Demands" at the top to be handed back filled out as soon as possible.

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If Hank is going to walk over 4 million over the life of a contract, then he's not worth the jersey he wears.

7.5 is more than fair as it covers both being paid as an elite level player and makes him the highest paid player at his position over the next 7 years.

I love the guy. Been a fan of his since before he made the journey across the pond.

I love the jersey alot more than the player.

I was Happy Mess left in 97 as he tried to hold the franchise hostage, I'd be just as happy if Hank left due to the same BS.
Some might see it through the players eyes, after all the players are the ones who give the jersey the extra touch of either pride or embarrassment. Rozsival just won the Cup in our face.

For example, I wasn't happy MESSIER WASN'T PAID WHAT HE SHOULD'VE BEEN PAID. He was right to leave over the insult and brush over to the name that didn't win us the Cup. As would Henrik(with or without Cup#EDDIE), and losing this guy would be the ****ing death of us (Us that require our 82 x 60 minute fix though we may never win again by our luck). Every game I wonder how the hell he does it. He doesn't have an offnight, the guys in front of him just get that much worse. I'll argue that all day. We'd all be completely miserable if it weren't for him. We would've had another almost-decade of losing to New Jersey. As what happened when Messier left.

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Realistically, to lose him would be to replace him with a better situation or we don't let him go. Since the first one isn't happening. We're not getting 8 or 87 for Hank. Keep him til he injures out and/or retires, he'll be the same exact piece of consistency at least until he does.
There really is no other choice, and I think I'm assuming he and Sather both know it.

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Lundqvist as a single player probably makes the biggest difference to his team as anyone in the league.

Even when the Pens lost Crosby (and Malkin at times) a couple years ago they were still top 4 in the conference.

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Honestly, given that the Garden is rolling in money (salaries capped, ticket prices going up every year), I don't see why Lundqvist shouldn't receive a chunk of it--since a great deal of the Rangers' success is because of his play.

I expect somewhere in the neighborhood of $8.5 million a year.

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Some might see it through the players eyes, after all the players are the ones who give the jersey the extra touch of either pride or embarrassment. Rozsival just won the Cup in our face.

For example, I wasn't happy MESSIER WASN'T PAID WHAT HE SHOULD'VE BEEN PAID. He was right to leave over the insult and brush over to the name that didn't win us the Cup. As would Henrik(with or without Cup#EDDIE), and losing this guy would be the ****ing death of us (Us that require our 82 x 60 minute fix though we may never win again by our luck). Every game I wonder how the hell he does it. He doesn't have an offnight, the guys in front of him just get that much worse. I'll argue that all day. We'd all be completely miserable if it weren't for him. We would've had another almost-decade of losing to New Jersey. As what happened when Messier left.
But he did get paid. Had there not been a lockout he was set to hold out past the home opener. The Rangers made him the Highest paid player in the league for 3 years after the cup.

They made him a very FAIR offer for an obviously declining player that was equal to what a better player was making in Gretzky.

Messier, in obvious decline, wanted to continue getting paid elite level money when he was no longer an elite level player.

regarding the last statement, Messier staying would NOT have prevented the losing that happened. That was going to happen anyway. The team was old and in decline. Messier didn't do anything for the Canucks, he wouldn't have helped the Rangers either.

As for Hank, you don't look to replace Hank. You look to get a goalie that is solid and you use the 3-5 million in savings to improve other areas.

the most successful teams over the last 20-30 years did not have the goalie as their best and most highest paid players.

Yes there are a few outliers such as Marty, Roy and Hasek, but for each of those guys there are the Howards, Osgoods, MA Fleury's and Wards as well.

Lundqvist at more than 7.5 per is a mistake.

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