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07-23-2013, 04:51 PM
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Nice that Yzerman phoned the guys that were on the last team that didn't get invited this time around.

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07-23-2013, 05:08 PM
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CP is blowing their loads that Schultz invited to camp. Like anyone here thought otherwise.

Well Matheson did.
Wait, what?

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07-23-2013, 05:17 PM
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07-23-2013, 05:40 PM
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CP is blowing their loads that Schultz invited to camp. Like anyone here thought otherwise.

Well Matheson did.
I think one of the talking heads on TSN picked him back in Jan. that spawned a "name a 100 defencemen better than Schultz" thread there.

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07-23-2013, 07:04 PM
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This just a quick public service announcement, because I believe no one outside the city of Edmonton Alberta are aware of these facts:

1. Taylor Hall finished 2nd in NHL point scoring amongs LWs.
2. Had Ovechkin not been voted twice by stupid reporters, Taylor Hall was on the NHL's second all star team this year
3. Taylor Hall will most likely be named captain of the Edmonton Oilers
4. Taylor Hall was recently chosen as a #1 overall pick in the NHL draft
5. Taylor Hall was near Giroux, Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin levels in PPG this past season
6. Has finished top 3 in team scoring despite injuries in the past 3 season


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Patrick Sharp should make it on Team Canada
Andrew Ladd should make it on Team Canada

I love those two players btw. No diss to either. MacT, you're probably reading. Please trade for both those players. I wanted to kick Tambellini in the behind when he didn't part with a 2nd rounder for Andrew effing Ladd.

Tumbleweeds when it comes to Taylor. I see all these mock lineups outside HFOil, and 95% of them exclude Taylor Hall.

Agains, just want to make the unaware, aware.

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07-24-2013, 11:24 PM
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CP is blowing their loads that Schultz invited to camp. Like anyone here thought otherwise.

Well Matheson did.
Not sure why.

He wasn't cracking a defense as deep as Canada's on his first time.

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07-24-2013, 11:31 PM
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Not sure why.

He wasn't cracking a defense as deep as Canada's on his first time.
I sometimes lurk there for a chuckle but I think they are deliberately saying that as I recall one user pumping up Schultz to infinity and beyond a few days ago.

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07-25-2013, 01:21 AM
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This just a quick public service announcement, because I believe no one outside the city of Edmonton Alberta are aware of these facts:

1. Taylor Hall finished 2nd in NHL point scoring amongs LWs.
2. Had Ovechkin not been voted twice by stupid reporters, Taylor Hall was on the NHL's second all star team this year
3. Taylor Hall will most likely be named captain of the Edmonton Oilers
4. Taylor Hall was recently chosen as a #1 overall pick in the NHL draft
5. Taylor Hall was near Giroux, Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin levels in PPG this past season
6. Has finished top 3 in team scoring despite injuries in the past 3 season


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Patrick Sharp should make it on Team Canada
Andrew Ladd should make it on Team Canada

I love those two players btw. No diss to either. MacT, you're probably reading. Please trade for both those players. I wanted to kick Tambellini in the behind when he didn't part with a 2nd rounder for Andrew effing Ladd.

Tumbleweeds when it comes to Taylor. I see all these mock lineups outside HFOil, and 95% of them exclude Taylor Hall.

Agains, just want to make the unaware, aware.
Hall is not very good defensively and does not protect the puck very well.

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07-25-2013, 02:08 AM
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Hall is not very good defensively and does not protect the puck very well.
Those are just about the only drawbacks to having him on the team - hes not very reliable or active defensively, and his decision-making with the puck is questionable a lot of the time.

Only thing I'm wondering is when Russia's got absolute game-breakers like Ovechkin, Malkin, etc doing work with their size and speed, why doesn't Canada unleash someone like Hall.

These are guys who in a defensive series/game are capable of breaking it wide open with their style of play. Not even a Crosby or Getzlaf can do this. Guys like Hall, Stamkos, etc can do it.

You're don't need nor are you going to win with 12 Toews-type forwards on the roster.

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07-25-2013, 02:50 PM
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Americans probably should've won gold last Olympics and most of their forwards were fast and young, or mean and gritty. Backes (2010) = Marchand to a certain extent. Does Hall = Kane or Kessel of 2010??

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07-25-2013, 03:48 PM
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Not sure why.

He wasn't cracking a defense as deep as Canada's on his first time.
Ya like someone previously mentioned, they had a thread called "100 better defenseman than Justin Schultz"

haha Such a cult over there.

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Americans probably should've won gold last Olympics and most of their forwards were fast and young, or mean and gritty. Backes (2010) = Marchand to a certain extent. Does Hall = Kane or Kessel of 2010??
I beg to differ. Canada had weaker goaltending, the US made it to overtime by the skin of their teeth, and yet we still won the gold medal game. Even when the States beat us in the round robin we still out shot them 45:23, including 19:6 in the first period and 14:4 in the third. The states played well but they certainly didn't play well enough as though the tournament was theirs to lose. Canada also had to play an extra elimination game, face the tournament favourite Russia (who we destroyed), and a strong motivated Slovak team to make their way to the finals, a much harder path to the finals than the Americans who played the Swiss and Finland.


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07-25-2013, 11:17 PM
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Those are just about the only drawbacks to having him on the team - hes not very reliable or active defensively, and his decision-making with the puck is questionable a lot of the time.

Only thing I'm wondering is when Russia's got absolute game-breakers like Ovechkin, Malkin, etc doing work with their size and speed, why doesn't Canada unleash someone like Hall.

These are guys who in a defensive series/game are capable of breaking it wide open with their style of play. Not even a Crosby or Getzlaf can do this. Guys like Hall, Stamkos, etc can do it.

You're don't need nor are you going to win with 12 Toews-type forwards on the roster.
TPH with a positive comment about Hall?

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07-26-2013, 12:57 PM
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Team Canada and Sweden have repeatedly taken teams to the WHC and had youngsters either as extra F or D - just as a type of developmental opportunity.

Similar thing happening for Team USA. Obviously there's been a bit of anti-Petry bias on their behalf in years past, but I think this is beyond that - it's just a developmental opportunity for these kids at camp. None of them are coming along to Sochi.

Another guy in a similar boat is Andy Greene. Definite top pairing defenseman. But just not a guy Hockey USA has been a fan of. They love their former WJHC kids, or guys that came up through the USANDTP
Really? Petry's been on the last two World Championship teams. I think in the end he's a "tweener" that was never going to make the Olympic team and isn't part of the young core for future best on best events either. There are a lot of good U.S. d-men that didn't get an invite: Goligoski, Greene, Carle, etc.

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08-08-2013, 09:09 PM
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So how long until a player comes out and says he's not going to participate in the Olympics? I understand why athletes who may only ever have one chance to compete for their country in the Olympics would not support a boycott, but I could definitely see high profile players from the NHL taking a stand.

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So how long until a player comes out and says he's not going to participate in the Olympics? I understand why athletes who may only ever have one chance to compete for their country in the Olympics would not support a boycott, but I could definitely see high profile players from the NHL taking a stand.
I don't think any thinly veiled threats will cause a player to turn his back on his country, cause that's exactly how it will look.

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I don't think any thinly veiled threats will cause a player to turn his back on his country, cause that's exactly how it will look.
Not to turn this thread political, but people should be turning their backs on Russia at this point. It'll be a sham if nothing is said about the violation of human rights currently taking place in Russia. And of course, political statements get you banned from the Olympics.

Also to clarify, when I said "come out", I meant against the issues in Russia.

Edit: This is probably a discussion that would be better had on the politics board.


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Question 1: How long have these issues against human rights been around?

Question 2: If they have always been there, why the outcry now and not years ago?

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Question 1: How long have these issues against human rights been around?

Question 2: If they have always been there, why the outcry now and not years ago?
I can't answer your questions, but it is interesting that in Beijing in 2008, there were concerns regarding human rights in Tibet and China's actions in that area. There were protests, but the IOC ignored them and the games went ahead.

It seems to be reoccurring with human rights violations in Russia and the IOC continues to ignore it. It reinforces how corrupt and profit driven the IOC is.

Not to sound ignorant or like an idealist, but it's sad to see the entire purpose and 'spirit' of the Olympics is being tarnished.

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Question 1: How long have these issues against human rights been around?

Question 2: If they have always been there, why the outcry now and not years ago?
Answer 1: since forever. homophobia is pretty much part of our culture which is very conservative.

Answer 2: because Snowden.

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08-14-2013, 07:37 PM
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I can't answer your questions, but it is interesting that in Beijing in 2008, there were concerns regarding human rights in Tibet and China's actions in that area. There were protests, but the IOC ignored them and the games went ahead.

It seems to be reoccurring with human rights violations in Russia and the IOC continues to ignore it. It reinforces how corrupt and profit driven the IOC is.

Not to sound ignorant or like an idealist, but it's sad to see the entire purpose and 'spirit' of the Olympics is being tarnished.
So do we boycott the next Olympics in the US because of all their human rights violations as well?

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I can't answer your questions, but it is interesting that in Beijing in 2008, there were concerns regarding human rights in Tibet and China's actions in that area. There were protests, but the IOC ignored them and the games went ahead.

It seems to be reoccurring with human rights violations in Russia and the IOC continues to ignore it. It reinforces how corrupt and profit driven the IOC is.

Not to sound ignorant or like an idealist, but it's sad to see the entire purpose and 'spirit' of the Olympics is being tarnished.
To me, by not boycotting and actually attending, they are acting in the spirit of the olympics, which is to put aside differences and come together for 2 weeks to have friendly competition with one another. By boycotting, they refuse to get along and therefore go against the spirit of the olympics. Just a spin on the statement.

That aside, back on topic. I honestly don't think any Oilers will make the Canadian Olympic team unless they downright dominate in scoring race leading up to the Olympics. Canada likes to have extremely marketable and high profile players, then the best defensive players with offense. Hall and Eberle are not defensive enough to make the team unless they are leading in scoring.

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So do we boycott the next Olympics in the US because of all their human rights violations as well?
Good point... there is criticism of Russia, but for what though? We dont live there... it is a whole different lifestyle and we have to accept it. If the United States can get the Olympics, any country in the world can.

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Answer 2: because Snowden.
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