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11-08-2006, 12:30 AM
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Yeah what's the deal with that? Every now and then Souray gets these flashes (impulses?) where he thinks he has Gretzky hands and tries to put on a show. I don't really mind since he is pretty decent at protecting the puck but I thought it was a weird choice when it was 3-on-3, forcing our lone forward to stack at the red line to cover for him.
Less bad than when Rivet did that 2 or 3 seasons ago. Luckily he woke up and realized he was Craig Rivet.

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11-08-2006, 12:33 AM
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Less bad than when Rivet did that 2 or 3 seasons ago. Luckily he woke up and realized he was Craig Rivet.
Now if we could convince Boulion when he comes back...

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11-08-2006, 12:47 AM
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I agree that Streit and Niniimaa were our worst D's tonight by far. But maybe that's because Souray was out for a long time!
Totally Agree, is it just me, but I can't stand wimpy Streit.
He shoots way to high from the point and gets pushed around. I can't wait until Dandy is back.

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11-08-2006, 12:51 AM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Begin yet...has to be his best game this season. Seemed like he throwing the body at anything and everything...

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Begin yet...has to be his best game this season. Seemed like he throwing the body at anything and everything...
Yes, he was a man possessed tonight.

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11-08-2006, 12:56 AM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Begin yet...has to be his best game this season. Seemed like he throwing the body at anything and everything...
Agreed he's looking much better on the wing, as we all thought would happen. I hope when Higgins comes back the lines shall be;

Higgs - Koivu - Ryder
Sammy - Kovy - Lats (if he keeps his play up)
Perez - Bonk - Johnson (I found that this was our 2nd best line of the season)
Begin - Plek - Lapierre (finally gets his chance)

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11-08-2006, 12:57 AM
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Totally Agree, is it just me, but I can't stand wimpy Streit.He shoots way to high from the point and gets pushed around. I can't wait until Dandy is back.
I can't stand him, too. I think I force myself to like his game.

When you have strong, big, tough D-men like Souray, Komisarek, Rivet, Bouillon, Dandy...who PROTECT their goalies, fight when needed, don't get pushed around, PROTECT teammates...
It's useless having Streit (wimpy game) who gets pushed around all the time, and NEVER EVER protects the goalie. Every D-Man has GOT TO protect our goalies.
Streit is playing for himself and not his goalies, teammates... He'll never ever be tough. He'll never PROTECT our goalies...he doesn't fit into our ALL-HEART team...

You don't go to war (playoffs) with players like Ribs (gone), and Streit (still here).

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11-08-2006, 12:58 AM
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I can't stand him, too. I think I force myself to like his game.

When you have strong, big, tough D-men like Souray, Komisarek, Rivet, Bouillon, Dandy...who PROTECT their goalies, fight when needed, don't get pushed around, PROTECT teammates...
It's useless having Streit (wimpy game) who gets pushed around all the time, and NEVER EVER protects the goalie. Every D-Man has GOT TO protect our goalies.
Streit is playing for himself and not his goalies, teammates... He'll never ever be tough. He'll never PROTECT our goalies...he doesn't fit into our ALL-HEART team...

You don't go to war (playoffs) with players like Ribs (gone), and Streit (still here).
I think you're forgetting something...Streit is our 7th or 8th D, which is why he makes .600m$ Now given that, I think that Streit is doing well (10GP, 0G, 4A, +1). Oh and everything you just said about Streit, you can say the exact same for Markov.

Edit: Btw guys, an interesting stat is that Before tonights game Latendresse was 3rd in hits behind only Begin and Komisarek.


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11-08-2006, 01:07 AM
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I think you're forgetting something...Streit is our 7th or 8th D, which is why he makes .600m$ Now given that, I think that Streit is doing well.
Yeah...
I still want heart, toughness out there...600,000, 800,000, or 2,5 mil (like Niinimaa...).

J-P Cote IMO is my #7 (tied with Niinimaa). Cote has shown me more heart, toughness in the few games I've seen him in, compared to 20-30-40 games of Streit. And, Cote makes less...

We have a good thing (chemistry) going (Komi, Souray, Rivet, Dandy, Bouillon when he comes back...they're all tough, have lots and lots of heart).

If a defenceman (Streit) won't protect his goalies, our goalies can get injured.
If a defenceman won't protect his teammates, we can get pushed around like kids in a playground.

It's also bad for team SOLIDARITY...600,000 or 1,5 mil...

We have ONE defenceman (and one is enough) who has full of skills and doesn't always protect his goalies, teammates...that's Markov. Knowing how great he is, I'll make this exception. But, not Streit. Unnaceptable.

If Bouillon doesn't come back soon, I want to see Dandy and J-P Cote out there (if Niinimaa gets injured)....

Souray-Rivet
Markov-Komisarek
Niinimaa/Cote-Dandenault
Bouillon (injured)
Streit#8 or #9

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11-08-2006, 01:09 AM
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Less bad than when Rivet did that 2 or 3 seasons ago. Luckily he woke up and realized he was Craig Rivet.
We need to get Markov to try it...he'd be busting spinoramas all over the place!

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11-08-2006, 01:12 AM
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I like how some people expect a 7th D to play like a top 4-5 D . I think he has done a good job of filling in .He do's make mistakes , but he also do's lots of good plays.

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11-08-2006, 01:15 AM
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Craig Rivet is one of the most underrated players on our team.
I don't think he's underrated. He's a battler who will have bad nights because of his lack of agility and limited puck handling. But he's been playing very well lately.

He's had to because our third pair belongs in the AHL. I wish Carbo would limit their participation on special teams. We had something going there for awhile and then he put these guys out there.

Carbo has got to be better with matchups, especially at home. He plays everyone in every situation and we don't have the depth for that.

I never thought I'd say this, but I also miss Cube and Dandy.

I think it's time to give Cote a try.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183354&hubname=

the notes says dandenault may return next week. is that true? that would be nice.
He has been listed as scratched player in NHL.com rosters for a few games now, so he must have been "day-to-day" case some time already. Dandenault was better fit with Niinimaa.

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J-P Cote IMO is my #7 (tied with Niinimaa). Cote has shown me more heart, toughness in the few games I've seen him in, compared to 20-30-40 games of Streit. And, Cote makes less...

We have a good thing (chemistry) going (Komi, Souray, Rivet, Dandy, Bouillon when he comes back...they're all tough, have lots and lots of heart).

If a defenceman (Streit) won't protect his goalies, our goalies can get injured.
If a defenceman won't protect his teammates, we can get pushed around like kids in a playground.

It's also bad for team SOLIDARITY...600,000 or 1,5 mil...

We have ONE defenceman (and one is enough) who has full of skills and doesn't always protect his goalies, teammates...that's Markov. Knowing how great he is, I'll make this exception. But, not Streit. Unnaceptable.

If Bouillon doesn't come back soon, I want to see Dandy and J-P Cote out there (if Niinimaa gets injured)....
In the new NHL, Streit's passing skill and vision are very handy. When you're missing a guy like Bouillon (who played on our PP) you need someone like Streit who can pitch in...And he's definitely made the 2nd PP better. He's much, much more valuable than Niinimaa... For 1, he's got more defensive awarness and doesn't suffer from as many braincramps in his own end (though he did have 1 tonight). 2, he's got much better passing skills, vision and creativity, and 3 he's got much more speed and can throw the attack. Cote on the other hand, imo should only be a replacement for guys like Komisarek or Rivet...In which he can fill a similar role. Streit is doing fine though and at this point in the season, is definitely ahead of Niinimaa.

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In the new NHL, Streit's passing skill and vision are very handy. When you're missing a guy like Bouillon (who played on our PP) you need someone like Streit who can pitch in...And he's definitely made the 2nd PP better. He's much, much more valuable than Niinimaa... For 1, he's got more defensive awarness and doesn't suffer from as many braincramps in his own end (though he did have 1 tonight). 2, he's got much better passing skills, vision and creativity, and 3 he's got much more speed and can throw the attack. Cote on the other hand, imo should only be a replacement for guys like Komisarek or Rivet...In which he can fill a similar role. Streit is doing fine though and at this point in the season, is definitely ahead of Niinimaa.
He definitely hasn't made the second pp better. Our powerplay has dropped off considerably since Carbo has given him more time.

I think he's awful in the defensive zone as well.

But what choice do we have? This is the defense Carbonneau was handed and he has to play the cards.

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In the new NHL, Streit's passing skill and vision are very handy. When you're missing a guy like Bouillon (who played on our PP) you need someone like Streit who can pitch in...And he's definitely made the 2nd PP better. He's much, much more valuable than Niinimaa... For 1, he's got more defensive awarness and doesn't suffer from as many braincramps in his own end (though he did have 1 tonight). 2, he's got much better passing skills, vision and creativity, and 3 he's got much more speed and can throw the attack. Cote on the other hand, imo should only be a replacement for guys like Komisarek or Rivet...In which he can fill a similar role. Streit is doing fine though and at this point in the season, is definitely ahead of Niinimaa.
That's ok...you're allowed to your opinion.

I just want one of my favourite warriors back...BOUILLON.
If Bouillon, Dandy were here I wouldn't have to hear about Streit...
If we went to playoffs without my BOUILLON, and STREIT was in, it would all be about _ _.

I prefer Niinimaa to Streit (except for his salary...).
Also, I want to see J-P Cote out there (heart, lots of size, lots of toughness, good enough skater).
When is Cote back?

p.s.: the one thing I'd want to see that's positive out of Streit is on the PP unit with Niinimaa, not Rivet (PK & 5 on 5 is what Rivet is good at...).
PP#1: Souray-Markov
PP#2: Streit-Niinimaa
or instead of Streit, use Komisarek for his right-hand shot...

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11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
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He definitely hasn't made the second pp better. Our powerplay has dropped off considerably since Carbo has given him more time.

I think he's awful in the defensive zone as well.

But what choice do we have? This is the defense Carbonneau was handed and he has to play the cards.
+1 in 10 games, and the guy is aweful in the defensive zone...

As for the PP, sure it's in a slump at the moment, cuz every team around the league have been covering the point alot better...but it'll bounce back. He's a great set-up man, and when he doesn't see anything open he goes for the shot.

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That's ok...you're allowed to your opinion.

I just want one of my favourite warriors back...BOUILLON.
If Bouillon, Dandy were here I wouldn't have to hear about Streit...
If we went to playoffs without my BOUILLON, and STREIT was in, it would all be about _ _.

I prefer Niinimaa to Streit (except for his salary...).
Also, I want to see J-P Cote out there (heart, lots of size, lots of toughness, good enough skater).
When is Cote back?
You prefer someone who is -4 with 18 PIM and who gives up the puck every chance he gets (16 giveaways - 5 takeaways) over someone who is +1 with 6 PIM and does a good job at conserving the puck (4 giveaways - 6 takeaways, which is an amazing ratio for a defenceman). So basicaly you prefer a useless player, over a player who has done little wrong, I guess we see hockey differently...

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You prefer someone who is -4 with 18 PIM and who gives up the puck every chance he gets (16 giveaways - 5 takeaways) over someone who is +1 with 6 PIM and does a good job at conserving the puck (4 giveaways - 6 takeaways, which is an amazing ratio for a defenceman). So basicaly you prefer a useless player, over a player who has done little wrong, I guess we see hockey differently...
No, no! You're right, but...

I loved, absolutely adored Niinimaa when he was in Edmonton (and I DID watch a lot of Edmonton games...he was like their Pitkanen or something like that!).
I'm waiting for "Edmonton" Niinimaa to come out!! So I'll be more patient with him + he has more size, effort, grit, heart than Streit...& in Montreal if you have a heart it gets you far with fans...Streit looks heartless, emotionless, gutless...not good qualities for a defenceman (whether he's #7-8 or #9).

Streit...I really, really, really don't like the fact that he doesn't protect Huet/Aebischer goalies (it's a must if you're a defenseman). I haven't seen him do it once (like he couldn't care less, just wants a 2-3 mil contract). And, along the boards, he gets pushed away from the puck so easily...that's not defence.
LEt's see...he can't protect our 2 goalies, can't protect the puck, can't protect his teammates (never saw him try to)...he's shaming the CH as a gutless defenceman. He should learn more about what having a heart is all about from watching Souray, Komisarek, Rivet, Bouillon, Dandy...they stick up for themselves, and especially their goalies

Streit is a PP specialist???? On the PP...I haven't seen him use his PP shot once? (ok...maybe once!). He used it more often in the pre-season, where is it? (waiting for DAndy to replace him?!)
Anyways...I can't wait for DANDY (we need another right-handed shot with lots of heart) to come back and especially BOUILLON the warrior.


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That's ok...you're allowed to your opinion.


When is Cote back?
Cote may return to the Bulldogs lineup this weekend

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Honestly, when I saw Komo's jersey stuck over his head I wanted him to turtle because that eerily reminded me of what happened to Rivet about 10 years ago and what caused him to be invisible for most of the late 90's.

Round 2 would of been nice because Winchester had a sitting duck and couldn't do a thing.
Rivet, shirt over his head, invisible for most of the late 90s???????? The only fight that Rivet suffered in was the one he had his orbital bone shattered by the taped hand of Derrek Morris who played for Edmonton at the time. I was at that game.
Rivet rarely lost a fight that I watched but his fighting slowed after his wrist injury several years ago. Now he picks and choices his bouts as does Souray but that comes with maturity. Its time for the younger guys to step it up.
Komi's a big guy but he needs some fighting lessons.

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You prefer someone who is -4 with 18 PIM and who gives up the puck every chance he gets (16 giveaways - 5 takeaways) over someone who is +1 with 6 PIM and does a good job at conserving the puck (4 giveaways - 6 takeaways, which is an amazing ratio for a defenceman). So basicaly you prefer a useless player, over a player who has done little wrong, I guess we see hockey differently...
I'm with you bro.

Anyone notice the different D pairing tonight? Markov Souray/ Rivet Streit/ Komisarek Ninnima? Well, until we lost Souray!


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Same here, I can't believe some posters would prefer Niinimaa over Steit. I had high hopes that Niinimaa's problems were due to last year's ankle injury, but evidently, he either has regressed physically, or is still regaining his form. He has been, by far, our worst defenseman since Dandenault got injured.

Streit on the other hand, is steady. Not spectacular, but he is a fine 7th D, who has been improving since he joined the team.

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hum....I'm not sure i saw the same game as some of you guys...Call me negative but i didn't think we played good all game long....as far as i'm concern i think Edmonton outplayed us most of the game

Montreal didn't look like a team who has a great gameplay vision...I mean...many bad passes, Habs weren't patient at all with the puck...lots of turnovers...

We played good defence most of the game though..

As for Latendresse..one of the most predictable player on the ice...The guy wasn't patient at all with the puck..didn't seem to know what to do with the puck...he could'nt be the one who cross the blue line with it...and as soon as he gets the puck he don't want to make any mistakes so he passes the puck to the closest player, even when this one is well covered...or he shoots on net from bad angle..not saying this is really bad...Shooting the puck often is good but still...sometimes try something different...

If I could tell what he was about to do with the puck most of the time (if not everytime)...i think Oilers can do the same...

All in all...Good game on boards by the Habs...Physical game (some good fights...and for good reasons...looks like chemistry is great in the team)...some good defensive plays ...and what a shot by Rivet!

EDIT:Oh and Komisarek was one of the best last night...He knows exactly what to do in every situation...great great player !


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