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If Del Zotto is healthy, how many goals will he score in an offensive system?

View Poll Results: HEALTHY DEL ZOTTO..in AV's SYSTEM....how many goals?
0-2 6 5.17%
3-6 8 6.90%
7-8 19 16.38%
9 13 11.21%
10+ 70 60.34%
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08-15-2013, 07:04 PM
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Contract year for DZ. He's got a little bit to prove too.

With sufficient power play time, and 2nd pairing minutes (assuming McD/Staal - G; Staal/McD - DZ; Moore - Stralman)

12g 38a is not out of the realm of possibilities.

I voted 10+

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08-15-2013, 07:30 PM
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If he gets 10 I'll be happy. A more aggressive system might help him get more points but to me he's just not that good a goal scorer. He can't shoot well and his skating is nothing to write home about. The tools aren't there to be putting up any more goals than he has put up. 50 points could be a more interesting discussion.

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08-15-2013, 07:58 PM
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Top Ranger Defenseman Scoring Seasons in the Past 12 Years

2000-01 Brian Leetch 79
2001-02 Brian Leetch 55
2002-03 Tom Poti 48
2011-12 Michael Del Zotto 41
2006-07 Michal Rozsival 40
2007-08 Michal Rozsival 38
2009-10 Michael Del Zotto 37
2003-04 Brian Leetch 36
2011-12 Ryan McDonagh 32
2010-11 Dan Girardi 31
2008-09 Michal Rozsival 30
2005-06 Michal Rozsival 30
2002-03 Brian Leetch 30
The most shocking part of that list is that Tom Poti was a 48 point defenseman at one point.

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08-15-2013, 08:09 PM
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Del Zotto finished with the most points for Rangers d-men last year. He was 34th in NHL d-men scoring. A number of those d-men were under 25--Subban, Justin Schultz, Voynov, Pietrangelo, Ekman-Larsson, Shattenkirk, Doughty, Carlson--and then there's Erik Karlsson who would probably have been top dog if it weren't for Matt Cooke slicing his achilles. IMO if Del Zotto improves his production the Rangers pwp is going to be a lot better. If he stays the same don't expect the pwp to improve much. Compared to the above mentioned d-men I'd pretty much take any of them over Del Zotto. I just think they're better players. Del Zotto needs to take another step to start equaling some of them--guys like Subban, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Erik Karlsson pretty much unreachable.

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Torts leaving alone will add 10 goals to every single player's goal totals.

Making Hank a slam dunk for 1st overall in your fantasy drafts this year. Talk about versatility.

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Who do you have playing 3rd line minutes, Staal, McD or MDZ?
I don't think any of them.....If I was AV I'd pair Staal with DZ and have Staal play the right side. DZ played great hockey paired with him in 2012. and I like the idea of having a very good skating bottom pair of Strals and Moore. Both love to pinch and make risky plays but both have the skating to get back in the play, MDZ kinda lacks there.

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MDZ certainly has the potential for 10+ goals. He has the skills even though his skating is slightly above average. If you look at his stats from the two full seasons he has played (2009-10, 2011-12), Del Zotto has hit 9 and 10 goals respectively; and this is when he was the beneficiary of Torts' system that encouraged the defense to pinch down low.

It remains to be seen if Vigneault will allow the defensemen to pinch, but having a dedicated assistant coaching staff in Samuelsson and Arniel would also be beneficial (e.g. Working on fundamentals at practice... Getting shots on goal quickly & accurately?)

I'll go out on a limb and predict that MDZ scores 13-15 goals this season.

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08-15-2013, 11:38 PM
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Less so of an offensive system, more of a "offensively functional" system where everyone is doing what they're suppose to be doing offensively. This is really going to be a #50PointsOrBust type of MDZ season.

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10 goals seems like a very low total. The options should be higher. I think 10 is VERY realistic for him entering the season. I mean if he doesn't get 10 goals then I might be disappointed with his season performance.

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08-16-2013, 12:24 AM
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30 goals which would make him a decent 2nd liner.


Should get double digits.

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08-16-2013, 12:25 AM
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Tortorella's system was defensive as far as the responsibilities he put on the forwards. He did not at all restrict the defensemen and in fact encouraged them to pinch. I think people are forgetting what we looked like during the Renney years.

Del Zotto has hit the 9 goal mark twice in his career. I don't see why suddenly reaching that mark under Vigneault would be indicative of a change in system.
Torts made everyone afraid to end up on the wrong side of the puck. You can say pinch, pinch. But then when you get caught and it leads to a tongue lashing you will not pinch agressively and we didn't under Torts. Hopefully, DZ will have more room to make some mistakes in the interest of generating more offense.

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08-16-2013, 05:48 AM
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Exclusive offensive system that's new, does nobody realize this guy preaches sound defense first and isn't actually all that aggressive offensively, the sedin twins lifting up the kinda points they did didn't come from an exclusive offensive system it came from them being that good giving them the luxury to build on the teams overall defensive game.

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08-16-2013, 06:37 AM
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Exclusive offensive system that's new, does nobody realize this guy preaches sound defense first and isn't actually all that aggressive offensively, the sedin twins lifting up the kinda points they did didn't come from an exclusive offensive system it came from them being that good giving them the luxury to build on the teams overall defensive game.
Don't say that too loud or else they'll fire him.

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08-16-2013, 07:44 AM
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Greater than or equal to zero.
Still not certain he will be here with the emergence of John Moore

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I doubt DZ is moved as of now.

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08-16-2013, 08:19 AM
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I think 8-10 goals is within reason, but if the team can learn to transition the puck more effectively, then I could see his assist totals climbing a bit.

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08-16-2013, 08:34 AM
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I think 50 points is a bit crazy, and just another example of drinking the kool-aid that a new coach will unlock the offense.

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08-16-2013, 09:41 AM
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I think they'll still be a defense first team. I hope something in the style of play changes a bit.

Offensive rushes and odd man breaks comes from efficient defense that transitions the puck quickly to offense.

Stretch passes, tip ins, dump and chase is sort of the only option when tired players have been trapped in their zone for long periods of time, they have to change.

Even strength collapsing and shot blocking is not really efficient. It should be the last resort in an attempt to prevent goals after the players have lost defensive positioning. If the puck is recovered after scrambling, the players just want to change. Only way to change is either by dumping or if the other team changes, going behind their own net for a deliberate breakout.

A good deliberate breakout is just plain difficult unless the team has a player or players who can read the play and have enough skill to move the puck cleanly through the neutral zone. Not having, or not identifying and using those players in that role leads to stretch passing, tip ins, dump and chase or turnovers.

To get back on topic to Del Zotto, I think he can help with the transition play but first they have to clean up their own defensive zone coverage in order to be able take the puck away and still have enough energy to transition the play.

From what I see, Del Zotto is actually quite good at finding the correct pass in the neutral zone to a player that can break into the zone and towards net, but it's usually a relativity short pass that leads to it. The stretch pass from near his own goal line should be eliminated entirely from his game. Only way for it to be a short pass is if Del Zotto is skating the puck out of his own zone.

Not sure he has shown the ability to read the play well enough to know when to skate it out versus when to just sacrifice offense and chip it out. He's still relatively young, in the right system that plays to his strengths, I don't think it's so much his goal totals that are the indicator of how well he is playing offensively, more so it's likely his assist totals that should go up.

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I think 50 points is a bit crazy, and just another example of drinking the kool-aid that a new coach will unlock the offense.
Or, you know, one of the most hyped offensive defenseman out of the OHL in recent memory just simply continues to develop.

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08-16-2013, 01:21 PM
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I think 50 points is a bit crazy, and just another example of drinking the kool-aid that a new coach will unlock the offense.
He's had 37 and 41 points in his only two full seasons. 50 is within reach if the PP improves and he is the trigger man. Not crazy at all.

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I think 50 points is a bit crazy, and just another example of drinking the kool-aid that a new coach will unlock the offense.
Yeah, a ~10 point increase is 'crazy'.

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50 is reachable if he keeps improving.

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Still not certain he will be here with the emergence of John Moore
I keep seeing people saying this. Please tell me, how has John Moore "emerged." He's played in 100 NHL games. He has 14 points. He's the same age as Del Zotto.

I like Moore, but he's got a LOT more to prove before we count on him as anything more than a 3rd pairing guy. Don't forget that he got very sheltered minutes last season. He's our #6 D right now, and there is a BIG gap between him and the top 4.

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I think 50 points is a bit crazy, and just another example of drinking the kool-aid that a new coach will unlock the offense.
Ain't that the truth; you'd think AV was bringing the Sedins with him here!

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I would guess 10-15 goals. He was scoring 10 on a defensive system.

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