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08-14-2013, 05:50 PM
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I am so stoked about this dude. Steal of the draft.
He was probably a top 10 pick before he smoked weed and got kicked off an SEC team, where everyone gets paid under the table to play.

In all my years of watching college football I'd say he's the most dynamic I've ever seen. Can do it all. You have to in order to make it at his size. Arians has said that he has been a beast in practice and is getting multiple picks everyday. Can't wait to watch him. But with Peterson and Mathieu back there other teams are just going to kick it out of bounds.

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08-16-2013, 03:26 PM
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Not a big football guy, but I have family in Louisiana and they spoke VERY highly of Mathieu. A steal to get him later in the draft.

Anybody going to Cardinals / Cowboys tomorrow?

Edit: WOW! $81 for a pre-season game? Do I get to call a play for that?

New question: anybody going to Cardinals / Lions on 15 Sept? $30 for a real game is a little more my style ...


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Volunteered at the last home game of the season for the Phoenix FC Wolves. Sounds like they may be one-season-and-done. It's a shame. Soccer has always been my favorite sport to watch and play, I'd love to see a pro team thrive here... or even a semi-pro team, which is what the Wolves are.

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08-17-2013, 11:25 AM
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Volunteered at the last home game of the season for the Phoenix FC Wolves. Sounds like they may be one-season-and-done. It's a shame. Soccer has always been my favorite sport to watch and play, I'd love to see a pro team thrive here... or even a semi-pro team, which is what the Wolves are.
Their stadium situation is / was brutal from the start. The fan support is comparable enough to the rest of the 2nd/3rd divisions (not MLS) but you can't pay through the nose for ASU's stadium and you can't be bouncing around from one stadium to the next. Reach11 is a joke, and the leaders of LFR getting kicked out last night would be a poetic end to a weird season.

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08-17-2013, 12:22 PM
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Can someone explain soccer to me? More specifically the MLS. It is a farm system for European leagues, right? But way, way, way down on the totem pole?

In baseball terms you've got the MLB, AAA, AA, A, Short A, Rookie League, and Frontier league(non-affiliated). Like half a dozen tiers. Then, of course, there is Japan which is better than all but MLB and maybe AAA (at least some teams), right?

Soccer goes deeper, yeah? Like so much so that the MLS is about the 15th best league in the world, or something like that?

Maybe more like how the AZ Sun Dogs play in Prescott for the Central Hockey League. Worldwide, the CHL is like the MLS? The NHL, AHL, KHL, SEL, FEL, Swiss League, Czech League, and all five of the first tier of minor leagues for the latter five are all superior. So, roughly speaking, the thirteenth, or so, best league in the world?

Of course, soccer is more global. The Mexican, Brazilian, and all Latin leagues are better?

Where does MLS rank? Or at least in what tier?

Between the tenth and twentieth best league in the world?

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08-17-2013, 01:23 PM
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Can someone explain soccer to me? More specifically the MLS. It is a farm system for European leagues, right? But way, way, way down on the totem pole?

In baseball terms you've got the MLB, AAA, AA, A, Short A, Rookie League, and Frontier league(non-affiliated). Like half a dozen tiers. Then, of course, there is Japan which is better than all but MLB and maybe AAA (at least some teams), right?

Soccer goes deeper, yeah? Like so much so that the MLS is about the 15th best league in the world, or something like that?

Maybe more like how the AZ Sun Dogs play in Prescott for the Central Hockey League. Worldwide, the CHL is like the MLS? The NHL, AHL, KHL, SEL, FEL, Swiss League, Czech League, and all five of the first tier of minor leagues for the latter five are all superior. So, roughly speaking, the thirteenth, or so, best league in the world?

Of course, soccer is more global. The Mexican, Brazilian, and all Latin leagues are better?

Where does MLS rank? Or at least in what tier?

Between the tenth and twentieth best league in the world?
MLS isn't a "farm system" like the AHL or ECHL -- it's a smaller professional league like the German or Czech leagues. There are no contractual agreements between MLS and the English Premier League (EPL), etc. Hard to say exactly, but the EPL is considered the best in terms of popularity, level of play, monetary value of the clubs and general worldwide prestige, and the Spanish La Liga, German Bundesliga and Italian Serie A are right behind. Gets murky beyond that, but I lived in Europe for 3 years and would put MLS right up there with the Dutch Eredivisie, French Ligue 1 or the Belgian Pro League.

Every country has multiple "tiers" of competition (ie: 1. Bundesliga, 2. Bundesliga, 3. Bundesliga, Regionliga, etc) domestically and teams get promoted and relegated up and down the leagues at the end of the season. Soccer teams don't have a Portland Pirates per se, they have youth teams (under-23, under-19, etc) and academy teams, where they'll sign up kids and pay their way through school and teach them to play the team's style. There's no NHL/NFL-style draft in world soccer -- it's more like college recruiting, just find as many as you can and roll. There's also not one set age where kids get recruited ... it varies from country to country, and with exceptional kids, there's plenty of Bobby Orr-style lying and cheating and stealing.

Soccer has ZERO parity, which makes it hard to evaluate the quality of "a league." Money is VERY polarized in Europe, so you can take it to the bank that Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham will finish somewhere in the top 5 in England this year despite this being opening weekend. That's the way they finished last year. And I think the year before too. MLS has a soft salary cap that enforces NFL-style parity, but hurts the overall quality of play. The best teams in MLS would get destroyed by Dortmund / Milan / Barcelona / Munich, but the best few MLS teams could compete in 2nd tier leagues like France, Belgium or Holland.

The best Mexican teams are still better than the best MLS teams, but the gap is closing. Top to bottom the leagues are even, and MLS teams regularly destroy everybody else in Central America. There isn't a regular club competition that puts North and South American teams together, but Brazil and Argentina, for all their talent, generally don't have the money to keep top stars at home (they all go to Europe) and their leagues aren't any better than Mexico.

MLS does 17,000 a game, which looked awful 15 years ago when teams played in NFL stadiums but looks great now that most teams have soccer-specific, 20,000 seaters. Germany, England, Italy and Spain double that, but 17,000 is solidly top 10 in attendance in the world.

MLS is a weird, red-headed stepchild in world soccer -- entry draft, salary cap, summer schedule instead of the normal August-May schedule, and we DON'T do promotion and relegation -- but it's sturdy and growing. In terms of level of play on the field, 10-12 is about right, in terms of attendance it's top 6-10 or so.

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08-17-2013, 01:38 PM
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Sounds better than I thought. Thanks.

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I'm a huge soccer fan. I'd argue that MLS is a lot better than what you're giving them. They're obviously behind the EPL, La Liga, Seria A, the Bundesliga, Liga 1, and maybe a few more. But I'd say we're on about even level with Mexico. The US national team is rising higher and higher in the FIFA rankings (which are a joke BTW) I would say our national team is around 10th in the world.

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Arizona Feeleys 9, Dallas Cowboys 0 at the half.

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Their stadium situation is / was brutal from the start. The fan support is comparable enough to the rest of the 2nd/3rd divisions (not MLS) but you can't pay through the nose for ASU's stadium and you can't be bouncing around from one stadium to the next. Reach11 is a joke...
Yeah I worked the ticket sales/will call at the first match at Reach 11, it was a mess. Had a handful of people show up after having driven out to the ASU soccer field, who knows how many just gave up after arriving in Tempe only to see no evidence of game night. I suppose it all would have been fine and dandy if Valley residents actually went out and supported the team... assuming the organization had its numbers right (meaning a sold out stadium in Tempe driving enough revenue). I think they were aiming to fill 5000 seats, but only had maybe 1750 in attendance the one match I went as a spectator.

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Do you know the story there?? I left at halftime once my volunteering job was done, I had actual work (and a Premier League match) that I had to get up for this morning.
I can imagine they got a little restless, watching their team blow an early 2-0 lead in the final match of the season.

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08-18-2013, 02:11 AM
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Do you know the story there?? I left at halftime once my volunteering job was done, I had actual work (and a Premier League match) that I had to get up for this morning. I can imagine they got a little restless, watching their team blow an early 2-0 lead in the final match of the season.
"Inciting a riot."

For the uninformed, La Furia Roja is the main organized supporters group of FC Phoenix. They have their own section in the stadium, they stand, they bang drums, wave flags, sing and yell the entire game. I'll assume that even the uninformed know this sort of thing happens in every professional soccer league on the planet.

The Phoenix police escorted the leader of LFR out of the stadium last night for "inciting a riot" by leading the cheers. Yes, it was judged that using a bullhorn to lead about 80 fans to yell and sing at a sporting event constitutes a terrorist act. In true minor league fashion, the game wasn't at the "normal" stadium (ASU soccer stadium in Tempe) last night ... scheduling conflicts took it to a city-owned field in North Phoenix. That said, it was an extremely uptight, ill-informed set of opinions from stadium management / police ... just a ridiculous scene.

Anyway, I'm friends with the dude on Facebook and he has a new photo today ...



On the topic of inciting small-scale soccer riots, I was somewhere in this crowd for the Trier @ Saarbruecken game back in 2009. Germans get this worked up over 4th division regular season games on the reg. You'll notice the police are there but are cool about it.



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Sarver, you are a disgrace. Suns will be sucking all year, hoping to land Wiggins. Now is the time for the Coyotes to win.

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LOL Suns

Looks like the DBacks are going to miss the playoffs unless they get their act together and the Dodgers choke the rest of the way.

Looking at the other sports teams as well, it appears the Coyotes are the only ones that have the best chance to win it all this season.

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None of them are good but the purple ones aren't too offensive. The orange ones make me want to jam a pen in my eye though.

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Looks like the DBacks are going to miss the playoffs unless they get their act together and the Dodgers choke the rest of the way.
It's mostly been the Dodgers surge.

The Diamondbacks have been basically what they are for the entire season, a slightly above .500 team. They have a chance to catch the Reds for the WC but I don't see a way they catch the Dodgers.

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Wow Cardinals, this first half....

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The Cards just did their version of the Coyotes drop pass, but with much more disastrous results. Could be a long season.

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That was hall of shame worthy, right there. I hope someone makes a gif of that. I guarantee it will be on Sportscenter.

If you didn't see it: Goal line stand, Cardinals somehow strip the ball, Safety (Johnson) picks it up, decides for some ****ing reason he should pitch it backwards to a very surprised and very much not ready Sam Acho, who proceeds to flip it straight into the air, where the San Diego TE hauls it in and scores a TD.

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Arians called it the dumbest 30 minutes of football, he's ever seen.

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I'm sure they won't do it, but I wouldn't take out the first team until they put up 6 or the game ends. Whichever happens first.

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Looks like Jonathan Cooper is hurt now.

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Hope it's just a slight sprain and not a high ankle sprain. This game is approaching Monday night meltdown status.

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Nice touchdown catch by Floyd. At least it's something.

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Broken leg. May be out for the season per head coach Bruce Arians.

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Oh boy.

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Looks like we may get the #1 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft for sure now.

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