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08-22-2013, 10:15 AM
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Highest scoring doesn't equate to best.
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Douglas Murray signs with Montreal for a 1 year deal

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08-22-2013, 11:36 AM
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I linked to this earlier... http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1&postcount=27

It was the difference of 1 point... About equal to random chance, or how many angels were dancing on the end of a pin... 1 point... About as significant as stadium noise, or watching the game in your favourite chair... So low in significance... 1 in a possible 164 points over the course of the regular season... Or, 0.61%... Very close to 0% importance... When something is so close to 0% (or absolutely no) importance, to me, it's not even worth mentioning... when considering everything else that is so close to nothing importance to determine Canuck success or failure... Such as the positive or negative thoughts of posters here... That has 0% importance... In comparison, the NW Division had just over 0.5% importance...
Exactly. The NHL is not like MLB.

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08-22-2013, 11:44 AM
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Exactly. The NHL is not like MLB.
I refuse to acknowledge it as it goes against my line of reasoning.

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08-22-2013, 12:07 PM
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I refuse to acknowledge it as it goes against my line of reasoning.
Otherwise known as the logical balk fallacy. Runners advance.

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08-22-2013, 01:40 PM
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Sorry to derail this back and forth here, but with Tanev's recent signing... how much capspace to the Canucks have now?

Is Grabovski out of the question or might the rumors hold some truth?

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Sorry to derail this back and forth here, but with Tanev's recent signing... how much capspace to the Canucks have now?

Is Grabovski out of the question or might the rumors hold some truth?
The rumours say Grabovski is going to the caps for 3M.

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08-22-2013, 01:50 PM
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The rumours say Grabovski is going to the caps for 3M.
I would've liked the Canucks somehow work that out so he'd be on our roster.

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08-22-2013, 01:59 PM
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I would've liked the Canucks somehow work that out so he'd be on our roster.
The most we could stretch was $2.5M, provided we only ran with a twenty-two man roster. If we had dropped Booth than we'd have wiggle room.

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08-22-2013, 02:06 PM
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I've also read that the Canucks may be interested, and that the Caps want to run with Laich as their #2.

I really like the idea of Henrik Kesler Grabovski, with Kesler and Grabovski sharing the defensive load, depending on the matchup. ie Kesler against bigger, stronger centers like Thornton, etc.

I don't think Grabovski would come here if it were clear we'd want him as a Malhotra type defensive centerman, who'd be completely buried in the defensive zone... but if him and Kesler were shouldering the load, it might work?

Sedins Kassian
Booth Kesler Higgins
Burrows Grabovski Hansen
Schroeder Richardson Weiss
Sestito

Also allows Schroeder as our extra C when we need one, which many of the successful teams lately have been doing.

I'm one who doesn't see the chemistry between Kesler and Burrows but you could easily switch him and Higgins.

Grabovski would likely have to sign for 2 or 2.5 to make this work, I would assume. We'd also likely be forced to lose signing a guy like Alberts and run with a top six that included Corrado and Weber.

Pipe dream or possibility?

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08-22-2013, 02:23 PM
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I completely agree that we should have let Bieksa go and went with

Edler - Ehrhoff
Hamhuis - Garrison

That would be a pretty dynamite top 4, and Tanev/Corrado fill it out nicely.
Yep, we would be a better team with less snarl.

Sorry, jmo, but I disagree

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08-22-2013, 04:42 PM
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Even with the re-signing of Alberts, I think it's possible that we may still add another depth defenseman. We typically like to carry 8 defensemen, and excluding Corrado who will not be carried, we have Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev, Alberts, and Weber. That still technically leaves us room for one more defenseman. Assuming Alberts signs for 900k, we still have ~2mil in cap space.

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08-22-2013, 04:58 PM
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Even with the re-signing of Alberts, I think it's possible that we may still add another depth defenseman. We typically like to carry 8 defensemen, and excluding Corrado who will not be carried, we have Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev, Alberts, and Weber. That still technically leaves us room for one more defenseman. Assuming Alberts signs for 900k, we still have ~2mil in cap space.
Might mean we take a flyer on Ian White - who can double as an extra forward if required.

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08-22-2013, 05:07 PM
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Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (4.5)
Booth (4.25) - Kesler (5.0) - Higgins (2.5)
Hansen (1.35) - Schroeder (0.6) - Kassian (0.84)
Weise (0.75) - Richardson (1.15) - Ferriero/Santorelli (0.55)
*Sestito (0.75)

Edler (5.0) - Garrison (4.6)
Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Alberts (0.6) - Tanev (1.5)
*Weber (0.65)

Luongo (5.333)
Lack (0.75)

Total: $61,973,000
Cap Space: $2.327M

Send down Ferriero/Santorelli to the minors because there on two-way contracts and we can have $2.877M for an extra forward.

How many roster spots are we at now? Could we add another forward? And this is assuming none of the youngsters make the team.

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08-22-2013, 05:49 PM
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Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Burrows (4.5)
Booth (4.25) - Kesler (5.0) - Higgins (2.5)
Hansen (1.35) - Schroeder (0.6) - Kassian (0.84)
Weise (0.75) - Richardson (1.15) - Ferriero/Santorelli (0.55)
*Sestito (0.75)

Edler (5.0) - Garrison (4.6)
Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Alberts (0.6) - Tanev (1.5)
*Weber (0.65)

Luongo (5.333)
Lack (0.75)

Total: $61,973,000
Cap Space: $2.327M
That's quite a reset...

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08-22-2013, 07:53 PM
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[rumour]
Grabovski to WAS, 1 year @ 3M

If Gillis signed that today it would've been his best day as a GM.

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08-22-2013, 07:58 PM
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Would still like to see Brunner signed here for whatever we can afford.

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08-22-2013, 07:59 PM
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The way i see it, our roster is pretty close to set, with a few moving parts depending on how players show in camp and what exactly Torts wants more of.

Basically 3 rough permutations i can realistically see:

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Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Gaunce-Hansen
Richardson-Schroeder-Weise
*Sestito

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev
Edler-Corrado
*Alberts*Weber
or if we want to carry 7D and 14F instead, and they feel Corrado is best served playing big developmental minutes in Utica...

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Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Gaunce-Hansen
Richardson-Schroeder-Weise
*Sestito*Santorelli

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Alberts-Tanev
*Weber
or if Gaunce (or even Horvat) just really isn't ready to make the team...

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Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Booth-Kesler-Burrows
Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen
Sestito-Richardson-Weise
*Santorelli

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev
Edler-Corrado
*Alberts*Weber
So in a sense, we're probably kind of looking at a Gaunce/Horvat vs. Corrado vs. Santorelli type competition in camp.


The cap-space is there to add something more, but realistically i just don't see it happening, particularly up so close to the contract limit. I think Gillis is going to look to the group we have in one of those sort of configurations, banking himself a bit of room to work with at the deadline once he's got a better read on where the rookies and other guys are at. For me, it really all hinges on whether or not Gaunce/Horvat can seize that #3C role and run with it. The other wildcard being...whether or not Kassian can actually hack it for more than a half dozen games as a legitimate top-6 forward, and whether or not Booth can actually stay healthy. Those will be the weak spots that may emerge, to be patched at the trade deadline if necessary.

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08-22-2013, 08:03 PM
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I completely agree that we should have let Bieksa go and went with

Edler - Ehrhoff
Hamhuis - Garrison

That would be a pretty dynamite top 4, and Tanev/Corrado fill it out nicely.
That would be nice actually IMO.

Hamhuis-Garrison
Edler-Ehrhoff
Corrado-Tanev

EDIT: I am gonna be honest, if Bieksa plays like crap this season and falls and crap I think we should put him on the third pairing.

Hamhuis-Garrison
Edler-Tanev
Bieksa-Weber/Corrado

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Yep, we would be a better team with less snarl.

Sorry, jmo, but I disagree
Bieksa's snarl is pretty overrated, IMO-- He wears it on his face, and lashes out when he's frustrated and playing poorly, but when he's playing well, he isn't exactly punishing, other than the fights, IMO. His ability to jump into the rush and come up big in key moments is a bigger hit than his snarl, IMO, and some of that will be softened by Ehrhoff.

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08-22-2013, 08:44 PM
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Bieksa's snarl is pretty overrated, IMO-- He wears it on his face, and lashes out when he's frustrated and playing poorly, but when he's playing well, he isn't exactly punishing, other than the fights, IMO. His ability to jump into the rush and come up big in key moments is a bigger hit than his snarl, IMO, and some of that will be softened by Ehrhoff.
Can't deny the Canuck's record with and without him in the line-up though. Not a fan of moving Bieksa.

My line-up prediction after the young-ins get their nine games:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Kassian
Sestito-Richardson-Weise
*Santorelli

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08-22-2013, 08:52 PM
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Can't deny the Canuck's record with and without him in the line-up though. Not a fan of moving Bieksa.

My line-up prediction after the young-ins get their nine games:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Kassian
Sestito-Richardson-Weise
*Santorelli
I'd be interested in seeing what our records are when any of the other top 4 defensemen (or forwards) are out, though. Is it even that far off?

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08-22-2013, 09:17 PM
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Pretty sure I said a month ago I'd offer Grabovski a one year 3m deal to play with Kesler, and people said I was crazy and he'd never do that.

Too bad. I don't think anything Gillis has done has been bad this off-season, but he certainly hasn't made a few bold moves that I think the team needed to reset the lineup.

I still wish they'd moved Edler.

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I don't see what's so difficult to understand about the link above. It clearly shows that the Canucks play in their own division had little to do with the President's Trophy. Hell, we could just take out the NW games out of everyone's record (which isn't even fair since other teams benefit from not having Canucks in their record) and the team still would be 2nd or 3rd (separated by 1 or 2 points).

But this is exactly the difference being mentioned here, if all teams played the NW division, instead of their own the Canucks wouldn't ahve won the trophy right?


What's so difficult to understand about the way I put it though?

It clearly indicates that of the top 4 teams division play helped the Canucks gain the most points right?

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08-22-2013, 09:37 PM
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If Gillis signed that today it would've been his best day as a GM.
Man that's a lot of love for a guy who had a pretty poor season last year and isn't getting any younger either.

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