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08-21-2013, 12:40 PM
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Souray's Injury, a look at Fistric, and what else is out there

http://thefarmclub.net/2013/08/21/wi...-with-fistric/

Could someone like Buffalo, with a glut at defense, be a trade partner?

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I am not sure grabbing another contract is the answer. Especially with fistric signing.

Beach
Fowler
Sbisa
Allen
Lovejoy
?????

I mean, with vatanen and fistric, we kinda have 6 dmen.

If quality is the issue, then this is where people get all opinionated. Who do we upgrade?

We arent upgrading beach.
We arent upgrading fowler.
I personally think sbisa has enough upside that you keep him and hope he continues to develop and find his game.

We arent upgrading lovejoy. He is cheap and seems to be a great depth guy for us.

So that brings us to allen and the ?????? Can we deal allen and some youth for an upgrade? Can we deal a pick and prospect for someone to fill the ????? If we do, then that costs vatanen a spot.

In my mind... 4 of the 6 slots have concerns about production. Each of Sbisa, Allen, Vatanen, and even lovejoy are all potentially productive members of this squad. But in all 4 cases, youd like to walk into the season with only like 2 of those guys behind a solid 4 dmen already in place.

My vote. Run camp. Start the season. Make a trade. Maybe a big trade if needed.

I dont like to gamble, and this is a situation where we best let them play, and then after, make a move to try to fix which dmen arent working out.

I vote no trade. No signing. Stay flexible by keeping the cap space. We will inow more a month into the season.

We have so much depth youth sitting around. I love the GM opportunities that might pop up this upconing season for a team with capspace and assets.

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what was the term with Mark Fistric ?

seeing that rumor that hainsey would have signed for one million, i would have tamen a run at him instead..

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what was the term with Mark Fistric ?

seeing that rumor that hainsey would have signed for one million, i would have tamen a run at him instead..
1 year 900k

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Stephens said that Beauch would miss the begining of the season too. So our throw back night could be painfull...

Although i somehow hope that Fistric will dress at the ''Winter Classic'' against the Kings and will lay down an open icer.

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Stephens said that Beauch would miss the begining of the season too. So our throw back night could be painfull...

Although i somehow hope that Fistric will dress at the ''Winter Classic'' against the Kings and will lay down an open icer.
Last I heard Beauch was expected to be in the lineup on opening night. Is there anything confirming otherwise?

As for a trade - we have a glut of #5-7 defensemen and only two guys to play in the top 4. So unless Buffalo wants to give us a proven top 4 defenseman we have no interest in adding anyone else.

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Last I heard Beauch was expected to be in the lineup on opening night. Is there anything confirming otherwise?
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As for a trade - we have a glut of #5-7 defensemen and only two guys to play in the top 4. So unless Buffalo wants to give us a proven top 4 defenseman we have no interest in adding anyone else.
This pretty much sums it up. We have enough bottom pairing/7 D men already. Anything less than a very solid top 4 guy just isn't needed or worth pursuing.

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Thanks. That's pretty much speculation but Stephens probably has a lot more insight than we do. I was just going off Murray's quote earlier in the offseason where Beauch guaranteed he'd be in the lineup opening night. If we're without Frankie and Souray we're absolutely ****ed. If Beauch does take the full 6 months to recover we could be without him until late November....

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Had this in Souray injury story but Ducks GM Bob Murray said Francois Beauchemin (torn ACL) is ahead of schedule after May surgery.

Team isn't ruling out Beauchemin being available for Oct. 2 opener but Murray also said, "He's too valuable and it's a long year."
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Sounds like he may miss like 3-5 games in the beginning of the season than make his come back.

Also, anyone else think Hal Gil would have been a good replacement for Souray? I can't imagine him costing that much more than Fistric. Only on a one year deal. Something like 1 year $1.2 million deal.

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I'd rather give the job to one of the kids than give it to Gill.

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I'm not too worried. The Ducks did pretty good last season with a less than good Souray.

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I'd rather give the job to one of the kids than give it to Gill.
Same. Gill might be the slowest player in the league and he's not going to give us much more than 3rd pairing minutes at ES.

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I'm not too worried. The Ducks did pretty good last season with a less than good Souray.
I'm not so sure. Souray played well(certainly better than "less than good") in the first 1/2-3/4 of the season. I'm not saying Anaheim's early success was all him, but I do think that when his play degraded our blue line depth issues became more obvious.

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Problem is no team is gonna want to trade an established top 4 defenseman away. Right now, all other 29 teams have hopes of making the playoffs. You'd think that team would want at least a roster player in return.

Maybe some team that would willing to sacrifice some defense for offense. But trading one of Etem, Palmieri or Holland seems a bit drastic as Beauch and Souray will be back eventually. Getzlaf, Perry and Koivu aren't going anywhere, and the team can't afford to trade Bonino when it's already weak in the middle. Winnik doesn't have a whole lot of value, but maybe could land us something decent if dealt with a prospect or a 1st or 2nd round pick. Cogliano has more value, but I don't like idea of splitting that line up.


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I'm not too worried. The Ducks did pretty good last season with a less than good Souray.
Souray was imo the Ducks 2nd best defenseman for a big part of the season, and top 3 almost the entire regular season. He wouldn't play the minutes he did otherwise. Someone who looked solid on the 3rd pairing last season, may not look so solid eating 20+ minutes per game. Two words: Steve Eminger...


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we should only trade for a D that can be a legit top pairing player, we have enough 3-6 guys on the roster

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Same. Gill might be the slowest player in the league and he's not going to give us much more than 3rd pairing minutes at ES.
Could you imagine a pairing of Gill and Allen? Ouch.

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Winnik doesn't have a whole lot of value, but maybe could land us something decent if dealt with a prospect or a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Wonder what Holland and 1st (OTT) could fetch us.

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Wonder what Holland and 1st (OTT) could fetch us.
Nothing spectacular. It would get us 2nd pairing defenseman at trade deadline, but nothing more than #4 in the middle of season, imo.

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I'm not so sure. Souray played well(certainly better than "less than good") in the first 1/2-3/4 of the season. I'm not saying Anaheim's early success was all him, but I do think that when his play degraded our blue line depth issues became more obvious.
Yeah, I agree, but the team didn't fall apart without him in beast mode. They did pretty good. I'm not saying that they don't need him, just that I think they can play without him.

Of course I could be wrong, and his absence will be our scapegoat when the team starts 1-15.

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Nothing spectacular. It would get us 2nd pairing defenseman at trade deadline, but nothing more than #4 in the middle of season, imo.
I think it would really depend on the situation with the other team. Some teams are looking to shed salary. Not sure what could happen until camp comes around, but I could definitely see us dealing Holland/DSP/Sbisa/OTT 1st. Maybe not all together, but if we could get a big dman for a combo of those guys, we'd be looking a lot better on the blueline.

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Trading for a defenseman is out of the question unless one is going the other way. I like the idea of Allen+ for Markov, although the plus would have to be damn big.

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Same. Gill might be the slowest player in the league and he's not going to give us much more than 3rd pairing minutes at ES.
I would have rather have had him then Souray at his current contract.

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