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08-22-2013, 08:31 PM
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08-22-2013, 08:35 PM
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I don't really feel like they're even in direct competition.

I think whatever the scenario, Weber is the spare RHD, whereas Corrado is either in the top-6 or in the minors.

Basically:

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev
Edler-Corrado

or

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Alberts-Tanev


Either way, Weber is the #7D. Weber simply is not one of our 6 best defenceman, basically any way you slice it. And i don't see any reason to force him into the lineup just because.

Corrado on the other hand, if he really impresses, has the potential to really add something to team, more than Weber can. But he'll have to earn a regular top-4/6 spot (with 3 evenly rolled pairings) to make it worthwhile. If he's not going to be in the lineup basically every night...send him to the minors and go with an Edler-Garrison pairing, and Tanev anchoring the bottom-pairing instead.
With Torts saying he wants to give the young guys a realistic chance, I would think that Corrado really does have a major opportunity to crack the line up...but not at the cost of sitting too much in the press box. I'd rather see him spend at least a half season in the AHL playing major minutes and then bring him up.

The one caveat I have is that Weber also comes with a PP resume and that could vault him into regular duty ahead of Corrado.

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08-22-2013, 08:39 PM
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I think bargain as well
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Let's ignore the fact that Edler and Bieksa had a bad season, Kesler and Booth missed a majority of the season, Schroeder and Kassian are now older and have more experience, no more goalie controversy to distract a certain player, and a new coaching staff.
I'm all for not trashing your team and hoping for the best, but he's not ignoring these things, he's just not going out of his way to have an overly positive outlook, IMO.

I don't think "they had bad years" is exactly a reason for optimism
It might be a bit unreasonable to expect Kesler or Booth to stay healthy
The no goalie controversy = better goaltending thing is a massive stretch, IMO-- Luongo didn't play any worse than usual last year and the distraction was not a negative from what I've seen-- However, moving from Schneider (especially with Luongo backing him up) to Luongo is a massive hit moving forward, IMO.

I agree that Kassian/Schroeder will be nice, but that's about as weak of a reset as you can possibly expect. And it's also dihonest and looking at things through rose-coloured glasses to count this as a positive but assume that the older guys won't regress. I see it as a bit of a wash, personally. (although I'm more optimistic about the younger guys that will be coming up the year after)

I'm hoping for the best like everyone else, but on paper, it's a definite downgrade.

And as much as we don't like Raymond, with no-one to replace him and everyone behind him moving up the lineup, his loss is certainly NOT a neutral difference/addition by subtraction. I'm not exactly going to miss him, but that's ludicrous.

The way I see it

Lapierre -> Richardson (Even)
Schneider + Luongo + distractions -> Luongo w/o distractions (sizeable downgrade)
Corrado + Kassian + Schroeder -> Corrado + Kassian + Schroeder (expected upgrade)
Sedin + Burrows + Luongo -> Sedin + Burrows + Luongo (expected downgrade-- albeit a minor one)
Raymond -> No Raymond (downgrade)
AV -> Torterella + motivation (Total question-mark/Remains to be seen, but I'm optimistic)

With the other arguments not being benefits or negatives (like the injury complaints-- We were reasonably healthy going into the playoffs-- I wouldn't expect next year to be any luckier).


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08-22-2013, 08:43 PM
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I'm not an Alberts fan, but his best hockey as a Canuck came at the tail end of last year. No complaints at $600k, I guess.

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08-22-2013, 08:44 PM
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Bargain.

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08-22-2013, 08:51 PM
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Seems like the Alberts camp had to sit and wait out the Tanev signing too.

Gillis probably just wanted to spend 2 mill. between the two and Tanev had to get signed first.

Tanev just cost Alberts getting a new level added to his house.



Oh well, at least AnAl is back in the fold!

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08-22-2013, 08:54 PM
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I feel like last year, Alberts proved that he was a legitimate #6 caliber defenseman-- Bargain at 600k as the #7 guy

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08-22-2013, 08:54 PM
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Solid depth. He was overpaid for his role for the past two seasons, but this cap hit is perfect for what he brings.

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08-22-2013, 08:56 PM
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With Torts saying he wants to give the young guys a realistic chance, I would think that Corrado really does have a major opportunity to crack the line up...but not at the cost of sitting too much in the press box. I'd rather see him spend at least a half season in the AHL playing major minutes and then bring him up.

The one caveat I have is that Weber also comes with a PP resume and that could vault him into regular duty ahead of Corrado.
Unless Weber has significantly grown his game since last year, i'd be surprised and frankly disappointed if his 'PP Resume' vaulted him into the lineup as a regular to be honest. We're talking about a MAB type 'specialist' playing a regular shift...and dragging one of the other LHD Edler/Garrison down with him. And while Weber may not be quite as bad as MAB defensively...he's not even in the same ballpark as Bergeron as a PP performer. Weber is a decent PP guy, not exceptional. And if we're going to dress a specialist as a 'regular', he'd darn well better be 'exceptional' at his speciality as far as i'm concerned. There's a reason the other Swiss gentleman, player #61 completely surpassed Weber on Montreal's depth chart (and PP really).

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08-22-2013, 08:58 PM
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I don't really feel like they're even in direct competition.

I think whatever the scenario, Weber is the spare RHD, whereas Corrado is either in the top-6 or in the minors.

Basically:

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev
Edler-Corrado

or

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Alberts-Tanev


Either way, Weber is the #7D. Weber simply is not one of our 6 best defenceman, basically any way you slice it. And i don't see any reason to force him into the lineup just because.

Corrado on the other hand, if he really impresses, has the potential to really add something to team, more than Weber can. But he'll have to earn a regular top-4/6 spot (with 3 evenly rolled pairings) to make it worthwhile. If he's not going to be in the lineup basically every night...send him to the minors and go with an Edler-Garrison pairing, and Tanev anchoring the bottom-pairing instead.
Pretty good assessment.

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08-22-2013, 11:20 PM
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Well, it's last year's team...

MINUS Cory Schneider
MINUS Derek Roy
MINUS Mason Raymond (likely)
MINUS Max Lapierre

PLUS Brad Richardson
PLUS Mike Santorelli

In other words, we're worse. Pretty significantly worse.
I live here, albeit not a fan...but that's what MG calls a reset??

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08-22-2013, 11:28 PM
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I live here, albeit not a fan...but that's what MG calls a reset??
+ the entire coaching staff overhaul. Which was probably the most important move aside from the goalie kerfuffle.however not a stellar reset by any means.

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08-22-2013, 11:50 PM
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Damn that is cheap for Alberts. Thought he was decent towards the end of last year.

Weber/Alberts/Corrado as the 7-9 guys is decent depth.

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08-22-2013, 11:52 PM
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08-23-2013, 12:03 AM
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Getting Schroeder and Alberts so cheaply have helped make up for any misgivings I had on Tanev's contract.

Overall Gillis has been solid at re-signing.

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Very solid, was expecting 800-900k, this is a great deal.

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08-23-2013, 01:09 AM
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+ the entire coaching staff overhaul. Which was probably the most important move aside from the goalie kerfuffle.however not a stellar reset by any means.
What the hell is a reset anyway?

You realize you built a team with too many guys like this:


So you hit this:


Unfortunately, running an actual hockey team is not so easy. Gillis was feeling the heat and said something dumb.

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08-23-2013, 04:22 AM
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I find this deal a bit alarming because it appears Gillis is grinding players. Why? What is the cap cushion for?

Murray and Fistric signed elsewhere after the Canucks publicly admitted to interest. They didn't get more money. Is it possible the much hated Canucks did not enhance their image by adding the polarizing Tortorella? If so, shouldn't the team be lavish with the guys that are willing to play here? Lavish might be too strong a term, but chiseling is, for sure, not the way to go.

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Close to league min = can't be a bad signing regardless of the player. Worst case its just a waste of a contract slot.

With Alberts at least we have a decent idea of what we get. Physical defensive dman that hits a lot... doesn't skate too well nor have any offensive tools but reliable enough that odds are he won't hurt you on the bottom pairing and eat up those minutes when needed. Basically a low maintenance depth player and for the price, its a pretty good signing. More so given the history of dman injuries here...

Also great signing since its 900k cheaper than Murray and realistically a very similar set strength/weakness.

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08-23-2013, 04:41 AM
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This team is absolutely dying for a legit 2nd line winger. Not Kassian who will suck 75% of the season or Booth who will be injured for 85% of the season.

We desperately need a solid winger to play with Kesler.

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What the hell is a reset anyway?

You realize you built a team with too many guys like this:


So you hit this:


Unfortunately, running an actual hockey team is not so easy. Gillis was feeling the heat and said something dumb.
Totally right. Because you do not understand it, it is dumb.

By reset, he referred to the coaching change. Like everyone, let's stop and reevaluate how we're going about things, then proceed. He was not referring to a massive team shake up.

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This team is absolutely dying for a legit 2nd line winger. Not Kassian who will suck 75% of the season or Booth who will be injured for 85% of the season.

We desperately need a solid winger to play with Kesler.
Burrows, Kesler, Booth or Higgins, Kesler, Hansen is how I look at it.

I'm taking bets that Torts is going to bump up Hansen to the 2nd line pretty quickly.

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Burrows, Kesler, Booth or Higgins, Kesler, Hansen is how I look at it.

I'm taking bets that Torts is going to bump up Hansen to the 2nd line pretty quickly.
Wouldn't surprise me. I could also see first line.

I almost just want to see Burrows-Kesler-Hansen and say screw balancing the lines. The fore check of that line would be amazing to watch.

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08-23-2013, 08:32 AM
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This has to be come sort of discount to stay in Vancouver, no? I just have a hard time believing that Alberts couldn't at least get 750k from a team, or even as much as 900k (which is what I predicted). I'd be curious to know if he got other offers, but was just waiting for the Canucks, who were obviously waiting for Tanev.

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Wouldn't surprise me. I could also see first line.

I almost just want to see Burrows-Kesler-Hansen and say screw balancing the lines. The fore check of that line would be amazing to watch.
I still think you could balance the lines pretty good with that line.

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian (hope the kid is ready)
Burrows-Kesler-Hansen
Higgins-Schroeder-Booth
Sestito-Richardson-Weise

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