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Build the 2013-14 starting line-up (3rd pairing right defenseman)

View Poll Results: 3rd pairing rightt defenseman
Davis Drewiske LD (shoots: L) 1 0.97%
Francis Bouillon LD, RD (shoots : L) 7 6.80%
Greg Pateryn RD (shoots: R) 1 0.97%
Jarred Tinordi LD, RD (shoots : L) 13 12.62%
Nathan Beaulieu LD (shoots: L) 1 0.97%
Raphael Diaz RD (shoots: R) 80 77.67%
Other (say who) 0 0%
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08-25-2013, 07:07 PM
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Build the 2013-14 starting line-up (3rd pairing right defenseman)

Let's build together the Habs 2013-14 starting line-up. This would be an "injury free" line-up, so let's do as if Gionta and Emelin were ready to start on day one.

Try to build lines that work, instead of just voting for the best player for each position.

Between (brackets) is the normal position for this player. You can always vote to put a player in another position.

Time to pick the 3rd pairing rightt defenseman!

FORWARDS

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Brière
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Bourque - Desharnais - Gionta
Prust - White - Moen
Extra : ????

DEFENSEMEN

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Murray - ????
Extra : ????

GOALIES

????
????

23rd player (forward or defense) : ????
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1st call-up (offense) : ????
2nd call-up (offense) : ????
3rd call-up (offense) : ????
4th call-up (offense) : ????
1st call-up (defense) : ????
2nd call-up (defense) : ????
3rd call-up (defense) : ????
1st call-up (goalie) : ????

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I think Diaz is the logical choice, and Bouillon the 7th D, but sorrily, I think Bouillon will play regularly, again... (he's not that bad, and still mobile, but he's old... )

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I would have loved to say Pateryn because he has all the physical tools we need but I doubt that he is close to being ready... so I went with Diaz. I see Drewiske as our #7 man until Emelin returns. When that happens, there could be a lot of shuffling of bodies and someone will be displaced. It would likely be Drewiske but Emelin's return could also give rise to a trade.

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I would have loved to say Pateryn because he has all the physical tools we need but I doubt that he is close to being ready... so I went with Diaz. I see Drewiske as our #7 man until Emelin returns. When that happens, there could be a lot of shuffling of bodies and someone will be displaced. It would likely be Drewiske but Emelin's return could also give rise to a trade.

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We need offense, Diaz brings that. We'd have trouble getting the puck out our zone with Murray, Gorges and Pateryn in our top 6. Our PP units would be pathetic too. We should base ourself on the way St. Louis and LA have built their D.

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I would have loved to say Pateryn because he has all the physical tools we need but I doubt that he is close to being ready... so I went with Diaz. I see Drewiske as our #7 man until Emelin returns. When that happens, there could be a lot of shuffling of bodies and someone will be displaced. It would likely be Drewiske but Emelin's return could also give rise to a trade.
Drewiske 7th in front of Bouillon ?

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My bet is gonna be we start the season with these pairings:

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Tinordi
Murray - Diaz
Bouillon

LD call up: Drewiske/Beaulieu
RD call up: Pateryn

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My bet is gonna be we start the season with these pairings:

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Tinordi
Murray - Diaz
Bouillon

LD call up: Drewiske/Beaulieu
RD call up: Pateryn
And what happens when Emelin comes back?

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I would have loved to say Pateryn because he has all the physical tools we need but I doubt that he is close to being ready...
I do have high hopes for him. But his window of opportunity to make it to the big league will be short.

Considering our depth and at least 3-4 quality d-men in the prospect pool, he better capitalize in the very near future.

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Diaz will start, but I doubt he finishes the season. We have Pateryn who's bigger, and Nygren who has way more potential IMO.

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Diaz will start, but I doubt he finishes the season. We have Pateryn who's bigger, and Nygren who has way more potential IMO.
I'd be surprised if Pateryn sees more NHL action than he did last year (or a proportional ~6 games over a full season, maybe), and would be surprised if Nygren wasn't given almost all of next year to get comfortable in his N.Am. transition in Hamilton. Injuries change everything, of course, but I'm guessing Pateryn won't be quite good enough, and Nygren won't be quite ready.

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Gionta - Plekanec - Bourque
Paciorrety - Desharnais - Briere
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Paross - Prust - Moen/White

Markov - Gorges
Murray - Subban
Tinordi/Diaz - Bouillon

edit: When Emeilin comes back he starts off by taking Bouillon's position and then works his way back up to playing with Markov

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Gionta - Plekanec - Bourque
Paciorrety - Desharnais - Briere
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Paross - Prust - Moen/White

Markov - Gorges
Murray - Subban
Tinordi/Diaz - Bouillon

edit: When Emeilin comes back he starts off by taking Bouillon's position and then works his way back up to playing with Markov
There's no way Gio will be on the LW while Bourque is on the RW when both of them are on the same line.

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Murray-Diaz seems like a perfect fit. Same thing with Tinordi.

But yeah, me too I expect Diaz to be traded at some point, even more if Nygren proves he's NHL calibre.
Remember, we have a lot of depth and Bergevin has been looking for some crazy trades last few months.

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With all our defensive problems, I'd say its time to give a bigger role to Emelin. PP, PK, ES. Make him our 2nd Dman.

I love the hate for Diaz.

He was our best Dman with Subban out.

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With all our defensive problems, I'd say its time to give a bigger role to Emelin. PP, PK, ES. Make him our 2nd Dman.

I love the hate for Diaz.

He was our best Dman with Subban out.
I hope he can get back to that level of play. When he came back from his concussion he was a totally different player.

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With all our defensive problems, I'd say its time to give a bigger role to Emelin. PP, PK, ES. Make him our 2nd Dman.

I love the hate for Diaz.

He was our best Dman with Subban out.
The only productive thing Diaz did for us last season was to give Markov the puck. I swear all of his points before his injury were on Markov's hotstreak and fancy plays.

He's ridiculously soft too, often falling by himself without any reason, losing the puck for no particular reason, and VERY often losing his man in front of the net.

I WOULD hope Diaz will be paired with Murray though, as they look like they're very complementary. But I want no part of him with another small d-man. He must play with Emelin or Murray. I'd still rather Murray, who's even more of a stay-at-home than Emelin, who occasionally goes for the big hit or for the risky pinch*.

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I'd be surprised if Pateryn sees more NHL action than he did last year (or a proportional ~6 games over a full season, maybe), and would be surprised if Nygren wasn't given almost all of next year to get comfortable in his N.Am. transition in Hamilton. Injuries change everything, of course, but I'm guessing Pateryn won't be quite good enough, and Nygren won't be quite ready.
I think he comes in depending on injuries. If Markov goes down and Beaulieu looks weak, then I think we would see Nygren. I really want to watch him play this pre-season, I hope all the positive things I read turn out to be truth and not simply optimism.

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FORWARDS

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Brière
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher
Bourque - Desharnais - Gionta
Prust - White - Moen
Extra : Parros

DEFENSEMEN

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Murray - Diaz
Extra : Bouillon

GOALIES

Price
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The only productive thing Diaz did for us last season was to give Markov the puck. I swear all of his points before his injury were on Markov's hotstreak and fancy plays.

He's ridiculously soft too, often falling by himself without any reason, losing the puck for no particular reason, and VERY often losing his man in front of the net.

I WOULD hope Diaz will be paired with Murray though, as they look like they're very complementary. But I want no part of him with another small d-man. He must play with Emelin or Murray. I'd still rather Murray, who's even more of a stay-at-home than Emelin, who occasionally goes for the big hit or for the risky pinch*.
You're being irrational here. He did more than just 'give' the puck to Markov. He's probably our best defenseman at getting the puck to the net on a consistent basis, he rarely misses the net unlike the likes of Spacek and Subban who love to make a big sound by hitting the boards after a wide shot. He also has the best wrist shot out of all of our defenseman. He has good mobility and rarely gets caught pinching.

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With all our defensive problems, I'd say its time to give a bigger role to Emelin. PP, PK, ES. Make him our 2nd Dman.

I love the hate for Diaz.

He was our best Dman with Subban out.
There's no hate. Pateryn is bigger amd Nygren has a cannon that we need + he won SEL's best defensmen award.

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Murray-Diaz would make such a nice 3rd pairing.

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There's no hate. Pateryn is bigger amd Nygren has a cannon that we need + he won SEL's best defensmen award.
The things you say about Nygren can be said about Diaz too. Just replace the SHL with the NLA. I have a feeling that Nygren won't be anything more than an Anton Stralman, which is not bad for a 4th round pick.

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If we want to take a realistic approach to the potential of our defenders then i think that we have:
1st pairing D: Subban
2nd pairing D: Markov,Emelin,Gorges
3rd pairing D: Diaz,Murray,Tinordi,Beaulieu
7th-8th D: Bouillion,Drewiske,Pateryn
Prospects: Nygren, Dietz, Ellis
As we can see a lot of 2nd and 3rd pairing players, but no one capable of playing top minutes with Subban. Of course they can be players like Markov and Gorges that can be used at the 1st line but i think that this isn't the solution we need.

I like the Markov-Emelin tandem as the 2nd unit, and i think while Emelin is out we can use Tinordi who will thrive, no doubt under Markov's mentoring. This means that Gorges either gets promoted to the 1st pairing unit, or relegates to the 3rd, which is quite unlikely for the money he makes.

I also like a Diaz-Murray tandem at the 3rd pairing unit, not only because they seem to pair well on paper (puck mover-stay at home) but also because they keep both Bouillion and Drewiske at the 7th,8th D role. The rest of the prospects should try to gather experience and make the Hamilton team harder to play against.

My personal feeling is that we need that top minute guy to play with Subban and the only way to do it is via trade. We are in a situation that we can package two defenders or a defender and a forward or prospect, in order to land a player of that calibre. Available to me are Gorges, Diaz, Beaulieu,Bouillion,Drewiske (D) and Moen, Desharnais, White, Bourque, Leblanc (F). My personal suggestions depending availability and teams needs, are:

Yandle (PHX) for Bourque+Moen+Beaulieu+2nd round pick
Pitkanen (CAR) for Diaz+Bouillion+Moen
Burns (SJS) for Bourque+Diaz+Beaulieu
Ericsson (DET) for Diaz+Drewiske+Leblanc
Byfuglien (WPG) for Desharnais+Diaz+Leblanc

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Ericsson is terrible. I wouldn't trade Diaz straight up for him.

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