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08-07-2013, 07:40 AM
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2018 in Leipzig:


Eriksson - Bäckström - Landeskog
Silfverberg - Lindholm - Zibanejad
Sedin - Sedin - Zetterberg (oxygen line)
Pääjärvi - Berglund - Krüger
Nyquist - Backlund - Forsberg


Karlsson - Hedman
OEL - Edler
Brodin - Klefbom
Lindholm - Larsson
Hjalmarsson - Granberg


Lehner / Markström
Enroth / Svedberg
Dansk

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Hey Jack! Ever considered Ionide-enrichened salt?

But besides the obvious: Marcus Johansson?!?

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Hey Jack! Ever considered Ionide-enrichened salt?

But besides the obvious: Marcus Johansson?!?
every team needs a 4th liner

that Sweden team has some talent

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2018 in Leipzig:


Eriksson - Bäckström - Landeskog
Silfverberg - Lindholm - Zibanejad
Sedin - Sedin - Zetterberg (oxygen line)
Pääjärvi - Berglund - Krüger
Nyquist - Backlund - Forsberg


Karlsson - Hedman
OEL - Edler
Brodin - Klefbom
Lindholm - Larsson
Hjalmarsson - Granberg


Lehner / Markström
Enroth / Svedberg
Dansk

lundquist should still be good in 2018? i doubt sedins will still be playing by then, even with oxygen masks

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lundquist should still be good in 2018? i doubt sedins will still be playing by then, even with oxygen masks
They will "only" be 37 in 2018 and will still be good as PP specialists at least.

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lundquist should still be good in 2018? i doubt sedins will still be playing by then, even with oxygen masks
But is Henrik L as good as the youngre goalies?


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08-11-2013, 06:22 AM
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They will "only" be 37 in 2018 and will still be good as PP specialists at least.
I agree, I think the Sedins will still be effective players at that age. Maybe not elite PPG players, but still good players.

They don't play an especially physical type of game, and their style of play is not dependent on physical ability (like speed) but rather on hockey IQ and technique, i.e. things that do no decline with age. They are also relativity healthy, I believe Henrik was the NHL Iron Man at some point? I think they can play in the NHL until they're 40.

I am more skeptical about Zetterberg, I think his body will be failing him by then. He has already had issues with his back and they will only worsen as he gets older.

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This is my latest team, based upon the players selected to the Olympic orientation camp. I included Alfredsson, because I think the only reason he was not invited was that they were uncertain if he would retire or not. Since he is playing next year, he is close to a lock.

Goalies:
Henrik Lundqvist
Viktor Fasth
Jhonas Enroth


Lunqvist will be the starter barring injury. Fasth and Enroth have played well in the national team recently and Mårts is familiar with team. I think they will be the ones going, although I would like to see either Markström or Lehner as the number 3 goalie as "see-and-learn" experience for future Olympics.

Defensemen:
Erik Karlsson - Victor Hedman
Niklas Kronwall (A) - Jonathan Ericsson
Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
Alexander Edler, Henrik Tallinder


Erik Karlsson is of course a lock. I think Mårts will pair him with Hedman, since Mårts seem to really like Hedman and they played together in the WJC when Mårts was the coach. Hedman has a solid defensive game and could compensate for when Karlsson joins the rush. Kronwall will be the veteran precense/leader of the blue line, he will be paired with his Detroit partner Ericsson for chemistry. Ericsson will also be an asset to the PK. Ekman-Larsson and Hjalmarsson will form the last pairing. Hjalmarssons defensive game will be useful on the PK.

Edler will start as a scratch since he's suspended the first to game. He is too good of a defender to leave off the team though. He will have to work his way on the team. Tallinder is included since I wanted a stay-at-home defensemen as a reserve as well. It was between him, Grossmann, Murray and Oduya. I chose Tallinder because of his contribution to the WC-gold last season. He can be a solid veteran presence in the locker room when not playing. Of the players left off, I can see Jonas Brodin making the biggest case for himself in the coming season.

Forwards:
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Loui Eriksson
Johan Franzén - Henrik Zetterberg (C) - Daniel Alfredsson
Gabriel Landeskog (A) - Nicklas Bäckström - Patric Hörnqvist
Carl Hagelin - Patrik Berglund - Alexander Steen
Marcus Johansson, Gustav Nyquist


The Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson line worked really well in the WC. No reason not to keep it. The second line will be the 'Detroit connection'. Franzén and Zetterberg have played really well together in the national team, Alfredsson will benefit from having been on the same team as them the entire year. I think the third line will complement each other perfectly, Bäckström will be the one with holding the puck and dictating the play, Hörnqvist will do some nice work in front of the net and Landeskog will finish. Hörnqvist might get a "Holmström-like" role on the PP. The fourth line will get a bit more defensive duties and Berglund and Steen will be likely PKers.

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Hörnvist!?!?!?! Put Johansson there. But I hope some of the youngsters have a breakout season.

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I thought the Franzén - Zetterberg - Eriksson line was more dominant 5-on-5 than the Sedins with Eriksson.

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Hörnvist!?!?!?! Put Johansson there. But I hope some of the youngsters have a breakout season.
Don't worry! We go with the 2010's U20 world champions medalists and a few necessary elders named Henrik:


Zibanejad - Sedin - Forsberg
Lindberg - Lindholm - Johansson
Silfverberg - Zetterberg - Landeskog
Pääjärvi - Backlund - Krüger
Larsson - Rakell


Karlsson - Hedman
OEL - Larsson
Brodin - Klefbom
Lindholm - Granberg


Lundqvist
Gustafsson
Dansk


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08-14-2013, 07:51 AM
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Just to turn things upside down:

Sedin - Backlund - Landeskog
Zetterberg - Berglund - Pääjärvi
Silfverberg - Sedin - Lindholm
Lindberg - Bäckström - Eriksson
Krüger - Zibanejad

Brodin - Hjalmarsson
Gustafsson - Grossmann
Gunnarsson - Hedman
Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson

Lundqvist
Enroth
Gustafsson

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I think I just nailed it.



Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Zetterberg - Backstrom - Franzen
Steen - Berglund - Hagelin
Hörnqvist - Lundqvist - Landeskog

Extras: Alfredsson and Johansson


Oduya - Hjalmarsson
Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson
Kronwall - Hedman
Edler - Tallinder



Lundqvist
Fasth
Lehner

The key for Hörnqvist is to play with a physical edge in all games. He can be very inconsistent in that. Mårts needs to be clear with the roles. If so, that is a fantastic annoying 4th line. 3 guys that will hit often and hard.


Tallinder is a lock. He is back with Buffalo and will play with Myers. Han var fantastiskt duktig i VM. Lugn, stor, förbannad, aggresiv, bra med pucken. I really like him.


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08-14-2013, 03:12 PM
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I would be OK with Tallinder on D even though there might be others that is at least as good, but he did show some fighting spirit last whc. I like your lineup Landskrona.

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08-15-2013, 11:34 AM
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Zetterberg Bäckström Alfredsson
Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Steen Berglund Franzén
Stålberg Krüger Landeskog

Silvferberg, Zibanejad

Karlsson-Hjalmarsson
OEL-Hedman
N.Kronwall-Ericsson
Edler-Brodin

Lundqvist, Fasth/Enroth

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This is my latest team, based upon the players selected to the Olympic orientation camp. I included Alfredsson, because I think the only reason he was not invited was that they were uncertain if he would retire or not. Since he is playing next year, he is close to a lock.

Goalies:
Henrik Lundqvist
Viktor Fasth
Jhonas Enroth


Lunqvist will be the starter barring injury. Fasth and Enroth have played well in the national team recently and Mårts is familiar with team. I think they will be the ones going, although I would like to see either Markström or Lehner as the number 3 goalie as "see-and-learn" experience for future Olympics.

Defensemen:
Erik Karlsson - Victor Hedman
Niklas Kronwall (A) - Jonathan Ericsson
Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
Alexander Edler, Henrik Tallinder


Erik Karlsson is of course a lock. I think Mårts will pair him with Hedman, since Mårts seem to really like Hedman and they played together in the WJC when Mårts was the coach. Hedman has a solid defensive game and could compensate for when Karlsson joins the rush. Kronwall will be the veteran precense/leader of the blue line, he will be paired with his Detroit partner Ericsson for chemistry. Ericsson will also be an asset to the PK. Ekman-Larsson and Hjalmarsson will form the last pairing. Hjalmarssons defensive game will be useful on the PK.

Edler will start as a scratch since he's suspended the first to game. He is too good of a defender to leave off the team though. He will have to work his way on the team. Tallinder is included since I wanted a stay-at-home defensemen as a reserve as well. It was between him, Grossmann, Murray and Oduya. I chose Tallinder because of his contribution to the WC-gold last season. He can be a solid veteran presence in the locker room when not playing. Of the players left off, I can see Jonas Brodin making the biggest case for himself in the coming season.

Forwards:
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Loui Eriksson
Johan Franzén - Henrik Zetterberg (C) - Daniel Alfredsson
Gabriel Landeskog (A) - Nicklas Bäckström - Patric Hörnqvist
Carl Hagelin - Patrik Berglund - Alexander Steen
Marcus Johansson, Gustav Nyquist


The Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson line worked really well in the WC. No reason not to keep it. The second line will be the 'Detroit connection'. Franzén and Zetterberg have played really well together in the national team, Alfredsson will benefit from having been on the same team as them the entire year. I think the third line will complement each other perfectly, Bäckström will be the one with holding the puck and dictating the play, Hörnqvist will do some nice work in front of the net and Landeskog will finish. Hörnqvist might get a "Holmström-like" role on the PP. The fourth line will get a bit more defensive duties and Berglund and Steen will be likely PKers.
Landeskog with an A over Sedin, Alfredsson?

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Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Zetterberg - Bäckström - Franzen
Steen - Berglund - Hagelin
Landeskog - Kruger - Silfverberg/Zibanejad

OEL - Karlsson
Oduya - Hjalmarsson
Kronwall - Ericsson
Edler - Brodin

Lundqvist, Fasth, Lehner

The first line is tailor made to put a lot of pressure on the opposing team by spending most of their time in the offensive zone, all these excellent skaters with their great vision and passing abilities as well as scoring abilities should be a treat to watch on the big ice. They are probably the guys who needs to get the most ice time, especially if we're down by a goal and need to score. Obviously killer line up for PP aswell.


The 2nd line has 2 excellent two-way players up front in Zetterberg and Bäckström, and 2 really solid D's with great chemistry who showed what they're capable of in the Playoffs this year. Should be a tough line to play/score against.


3rd line is really about as good as it gets for a 3rd line on a Swedish national team. Steen is such an underestimated player, for some reason it just seems like a lot of Swedes don't even know or realize how good he really is. Anyone who doesn't have him in their top 9 should seriously reevaluate their $hit and get it together.

Berglund is probably the best center available for that line.

Kronwall and Ericsson, solid pairing for a 3rd line, with some good chemistry there aswell.


The 4th line is all about accepting and executing their role as a checking line, with limited TOI, some PK, and just play solid D with speed and grit.


Lundqvist should be a lock even if he'd have a bad season. If he's healthy he's starting, basically. Fasth and Lehner battles for the backup. Enroth, Lindbäck and Markström could also challenge for a spot.


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Poor Backstrom if he is put on the third line with Hornqvist and Landeskog.

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Poor Backstrom if he is put on the third line with Hornqvist and Landeskog.
Last Olympics he was with Alfredsson and Eriksson on a third line, while Zetterberg held Forsbergs leg on a second line. I think the plan was for our third line to win the games.

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I would be OK with Tallinder on D even though there might be others that is at least as good, but he did show some fighting spirit last whc. I like your lineup Landskrona.
A funny thing is that Gustafsson (Tallinders defense partner in the WC) plays with Grossmann (probably) in Philadelphia. A player that resembles of Tallinder and is about equally as good and developing.

So we could end up with three pairs of defensemen that plays together!

Kronwall - Ericsson
Hjalmarsson - Oduya
Gustafsson - Tal...Grossmann

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I think I just nailed it.

Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Zetterberg - Backstrom - Franzen
Steen - Berglund - Hagelin
Hörnqvist - Lundqvist - Landeskog

Extras: Alfredsson and Johansson


Oduya - Hjalmarsson
Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson
Kronwall - Hedman
Edler - Tallinder



Lundqvist
Fasth
Lehner

The key for Hörnqvist is to play with a physical edge in all games. He can be very inconsistent in that. Mårts needs to be clear with the roles. If so, that is a fantastic annoying 4th line. 3 guys that will hit often and hard.

Tallinder is a lock. He is back with Buffalo and will play with Myers. Han var fantastiskt duktig i VM. Lugn, stor, förbannad, aggresiv, bra med pucken. I really like him.
You sure nailed it! Emma Green-Tregaro style!

We need förbannad on our team. Dick Axelsson really impressed in that department last WC. Hopefully WC was tändvätska for Tallinders career. One tiny detail... Enroth...can we give room for him somehow?

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I agree, I think the Sedins will still be effective players at that age. Maybe not elite PPG players, but still good players.

They don't play an especially physical type of game, and their style of play is not dependent on physical ability (like speed) but rather on hockey IQ and technique, i.e. things that do no decline with age. They are also relativity healthy, I believe Henrik was the NHL Iron Man at some point? I think they can play in the NHL until they're 40.

I am more skeptical about Zetterberg, I think his body will be failing him by then. He has already had issues with his back and they will only worsen as he gets older.
Sedins looked awful for long stretches last season. They will never be PPG players again. Daniel, in particular has looked tentative.

As has been amply demonstrated, the Sedins can be eliminated by taking the body. Slowing makes them susceptible to this and the new scheduling policy ensures that every team gets to take a run at them. Vancouver's absurdist physical response assures this.

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I have a feeling the Sedins will become much like Joe Thornton is today. The difference perhaps is that Thornton was better at his peak so perhaps that means the Sedins will be 65 point players around age 35-37.

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