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08-28-2013, 07:01 AM
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This has been Hall's team for several years. Gagner has some skills and may be a likeable guy off the ice, but's he's not even the second or third best choice for captain on this team when it comes to on-ice leadership.

Smid, Ferrence, even RNH will get a nod before Gagner, IMHO.

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08-28-2013, 07:06 AM
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Pretty sure if someone else is getting the C it's because Hall doesn't want the burden just yet.
ill buy that if someone on the inside throws that bone out there. then i'll frown for the next few years that Hall is that much of a wuss about taking on that role for THINGS HE ALREADY DOES.

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08-28-2013, 07:21 AM
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Theres a couple of signs kinda leading the other way for me.

1. When MacT said the there were only six untouchable assets but would refuse to state that Gagner was one of them

2. The 3 year deal when the rumors, i know, stated that Gagner was pretty adamant about a five year deal, wouldn't you want to look up your 23 yo captain for a definite length of time?

3. NMC in only the second year of the deal, again the commitment seems odd when your dealing with the future captain?

4. Why have they decided already?

Why are they taking advice from out going players on the future of the team to begin with?
I believe they can't have a NMC in the contract while he's still classified as a RFA. That's why it starts in the second year.

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08-28-2013, 07:32 AM
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Theres a couple of signs kinda leading the other way for me.

1. When MacT said the there were only six untouchable assets but would refuse to state that Gagner was one of them

2. The 3 year deal when the rumors, i know, stated that Gagner was pretty adamant about a five year deal, wouldn't you want to look up your 23 yo captain for a definite length of time?

3. NMC in only the second year of the deal, again the commitment seems odd when your dealing with the future captain?

4. Why have they decided already?

Why are they taking advice from out going players on the future of the team to begin with?
I don't think its a good idea to tell the media that the person you are negotiating a contract with is untouchable and on par with your other top talent.

For Sam to be given the C would mean that he has been kept from getting an A last year due to contract reasons. Im not sure I would believe that. Add to that the fact that Hall is Taylor made for a C on his jersey leaves me to doubt this rumor.

If its true though I wouldn't mind it one bit. Sam has proven a lot and I would rather he have it than Ference.

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08-28-2013, 08:25 AM
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Hall should be captain. Gagner just hasn't been good enough and he will continue to be rumoured in trades.

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08-28-2013, 08:28 AM
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poor timing

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08-28-2013, 08:32 AM
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I think the fact that Hall or Eberle are signed for quite a long time should have a say in this. You want a long term captain if possible.. not 3 years or so. Plus Gagner has never been given a letter.

He should be given an A next season though.

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08-28-2013, 08:35 AM
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Hall should be captain. Gagner just hasn't been good enough and he will continue to be rumoured in trades.
Isn't that good then, don't the Oilers eventually ship out all the Captains?

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08-28-2013, 08:38 AM
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he put up some good vulture points for a month or so. he has a tight GF yo. he fought a dude once or twice where he could of had his face bashed in but guys went easy on him. he put up a bunch of points once in a game.
Awesome analysis man ... especially the gf bit. Classy and well thought out.
Thumbs up to this post.

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It will be a dark day if this rumor is true.

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08-28-2013, 09:02 AM
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That would be an awful decision if true but rewarding mediocrity is par for the course for this organization so i wouldn't be shocked.
Not that Gagner isn't a decent player and a high character guy but i would much prefer to see one of the best players on the team and a surefire core member get the C.

I doubt it's true anyway. MacT said that the decision is up to Eakins and since Eakins hasn't met most of his players, how the hell could he name a captain already?
At the very least, the arguing on this board would be entertaining if Gagner is indeed named captain.

Also, what are some of you going on about in regards to Hall not being a leader off the ice. Do you all know something that the rest of us don't know? Is this in reference to him (a kid) liking the bar scene? Oh the horror.

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I am ok with this. I go out alot and i got to say ...i wouldnt make Hall captain of the team. The team has to look up to a persons decisions off the ice as well as on it. I dont want Hall being the rolemodel for prospects.


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I call BS. MacT has clearly stated that it will be Eakins decision and his decision only. They haven't even stepped on the ice. He hasn't even seen him interact with his teammates. I understand that it could be a possibility...but I don't believe for one minute that it is official. Let's wait and see what happens after training camp IMO.

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08-28-2013, 09:07 AM
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That would be an awful decision if true but rewarding mediocrity is par for the course for this organization so i wouldn't be shocked.

I doubt it's true anyway. MacT said that the decision is up to Eakins and since Eakins hasn't met most of his players, how the hell could he name a captain already?
At the very least, the arguing on this board would be entertaining if Gagner is indeed named captain.
Exactly! I should have read your post first lol.

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08-28-2013, 09:17 AM
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Leaders will lead and impact players will still make their impact whether they have a letter or not. Lets not over blow this.

I still would prefer Hall or Ference, but Gagner is a good choice. He's a veteran compared to the kids and has been here through the tough times. He's done his part welcoming all the rookies that this team has added in the past couple of years and seems to be a well liked and respected teammate with the young and older guys.

It make sense to me but I doubt a decision has been made.

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This will be fun if for no other reason than to see the Gagner haters heads explode.

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08-28-2013, 09:27 AM
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It will be a dark day if this rumor is true.
I think it's sarcasm, but I'm really worried if it isn't

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08-28-2013, 09:44 AM
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Meh, I really don't care who has the C. As long as they're on the ice regularly, and a mature fit for the role.

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The biggest question I have with Hall becoming the Captain is that I don't know if the referees have much respect for his opinion, he continues to blast them regularly. And while there are times they deserve it and I don't have a huge issue with this form of **** the police, it's not the best first response when one of your key responsibilities in the role is to deal with them.

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08-28-2013, 09:47 AM
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Just creating a rumor for the sake of the slow summer month.

I wouldn't believe anything is even being mentioned until training camp is finalized. Especially with a new coach.

A polarizing figure like Gagner would not appeal to the fan base and he'll be the whipping boy for another year. Remember prior to last season the guy was pretty close to being run out of town as well.

Second line center that can't win draws, is bad in his own zone and puts up points in "meaningless" games.

The safe, smart choice right now would be Eberle or Hall for Captain. The closest over/under choice Ferrence. Who knows, maybe Smid slides into an Alternate position during the Training camp as well.

Just can't see Gagner being captain, too controversial.

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08-28-2013, 09:56 AM
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The timing is wrong for this to be true.

Who made the decision?
Eakins? The coach who has yet to see the team interact with one another or hold a practice or see them as a group?

The players? Did they hold a vote via twitter? Because they have yet to come together as a group.
What about Andrew Ference? He is a possible C. If the players voted, most of his new teammates would have had nothing more then a brief introduction to him. Not enough to give him serious thought.
Like wise going the other way too. Do the new players on the team not get a say in who is captain? As none of them have met the entire team either.

I'm not saying ganger is the wrong choice... In fact in my opinion he is my 2nd choice behind Ference, all I am saying is that it is wrong to make the decision now, before the new coach and the new players get involved.

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Meh, I really don't care who has the C. As long as they're on the ice regularly, and a mature fit for the role.
Which is why Taylor Hall will not be captain despite being our best player.

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08-28-2013, 10:07 AM
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Surprised how much support Gagner has for the C.

I think he is completely unsuited to be the Captain.

Much like Horcoff has been a joke of a Captain over the years I imagine Gagner being not much better.

All the Captains I've respected through the league and through the years have all been at least one of big, mean, crazy skilled, or nasty.

Gagner is none of those things.

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08-28-2013, 10:11 AM
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Surprised how much support Gagner has for the C.

I think he is completely unsuited to be the Captain.

Much like Horcoff has been a joke of a Captain over the years I imagine Gagner being not much better.

All the Captains I've respected through the league and through the years have all been at least one of big, mean, crazy skilled, or nasty.

Gagner is none of those things.
I think it has less to do with "what you respect" in a Captain and more to do with your general feelings on Gagner.

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The obvious choice is Hall.

This team recycles poor decisions. MacT falls in love with an idea and discounts all other options.

So the fact that he is going to one of "his" guys wouldn't surprise me. But if true, I am disappointed.

This is Hall's team, pure and simple.

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Surprised how much support Gagner has for the C.

I think he is completely unsuited to be the Captain.

Much like Horcoff has been a joke of a Captain over the years I imagine Gagner being not much better.

All the Captains I've respected through the league and through the years have all been at least one of big, mean, crazy skilled, or nasty.

Gagner is none of those things.
here's the best thing, it doesn't really matter what the hell fans think.

Fans hated Horcoff, yet the kids had a lot of respect for him.

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