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08-28-2013, 02:58 PM
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he looks good rocking that isles jersey
Not exactly fair... he looks good rocking anything

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I do not believe Lundqvist leaves for money. Dolan has the money and Sather has no issue on spending max salary for him to stay. So in terms of money, this is no issue.

The issue is if Lundqvist thinks he cannot win with the Rangers in the coming years.

And in all honesty and in review of every team in the league, there not many teams that are as promising as the Rangers.

- One of the youngest current NHL teams
- A team that has no problem spending money to obtain players, and beyond some comments that would differ we have a pretty smart organization that knows how to handle their money and how to put a roster out on the ice that competes for playoffs every year
- One of the most promising prospect pools in the league. (Kreider, Miller, Kristo, Mcilrath, Bourque and many more) I think we are top 15 in prospects but were only so low because we dont have a future goaltending in the ranks lol. Well, if you just take into consideration skaters, we are much better.

There are not many teams that you can look at in the next 5 years that are as promising as the Rangers. Promises are one thing but it is hopeful.

Whose more promising and who has the money to go after him?
Blackhawks, Penguins, Bruins. Canucks? Kings? Ottawa? Detroit?
How many of those teams will be going after a goalie next year? Penguins are a maybe, depends. Canucks are a maybe, depends but prob less likely. Ottawa cant afford Lundqvist.


His family is already here. He is loved here. He is still in his prime years. He probably will sign a contract with the Rangers.

If he doesnt, good riddance on his choice to leave elsewhere. There are plenty of options at that point. Halak is one I keep in mind most of all.

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08-28-2013, 03:18 PM
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Didn't see this posted anywhere, but this is from the Times:



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/26/sp...html?src=rechp

Volatile, sounds promising.
You are misunderstanding what he is talking about.

He means contract negotiations in general are volatile. And I assure you that. It was a public question, why would he come out and say the current talks (which there are none) on a contract extension are volatile or say anything negative on the manner. That is not his way or really what any athlete would say in public. The common response is I hope to be there come training camp.

And yea he is right, there are probably horrible to be part of. Your being told your team wants you to have less and you want more and its constant back and forth. Most athletes hate it I am sure.


If he was smart, he would not max out on his contract. I know certain goalies got paid big time recently, but that will only hurt their teams. Brodeur for a long time cut his salary for the better of the team. I hope Hank does the same.

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08-28-2013, 03:20 PM
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Actually, I think there's a great deal of pressure to get a new contract done. The longer this drags on the more of a distraction it's going to be for the whole organization.
I guarantee you the vastly experienced Glen Sather, the very rich and powerful James Dolan and the focused Henrik Lundqvist have no issues with waiting for the contract negotiations.

I guarantee you no one is sweating about it. Lundqvist I am sure is just training hard for the season and the Rangers are focusing on getting the best deal for Stepan. I guarantee you that the Stepan deal is close.

I bet its going back and forth between a few thousands of dollars in salary. Stepan knows what will happen, he will get a bridge contract just like we have done in the past.

And Hank will get in the middle of the year or at the end of the season. Hank is the one who is probably waiting for next year.

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08-28-2013, 03:37 PM
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I guarantee you the vastly experienced Glen Sather, the very rich and powerful James Dolan and the focused Henrik Lundqvist have no issues with waiting for the contract negotiations.

I guarantee you no one is sweating about it. Lundqvist I am sure is just training hard for the season and the Rangers are focusing on getting the best deal for Stepan. I guarantee you that the Stepan deal is close.

I bet its going back and forth between a few thousands of dollars in salary. Stepan knows what will happen, he will get a bridge contract just like we have done in the past.

And Hank will get in the middle of the year or at the end of the season. Hank is the one who is probably waiting for next year.
If a deal doesn't get done before the end of the year, then it will become a public distraction. Reporters will be asking questions--both here and wherever else the Rangers play, there will be articles written and if nothing happens, the drumbeat will be very heavy around the trade deadline. And it will become an international story, thanks to Lundqvist's prominent position in the Olympics (more than half of the available TV sets in Sweden will be watching preliminary games, the number will go up if and when the Swedish National Team get into the medal rounds). Tell me that doesn't fit the defintion of distraction.

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It's hard for ME to picture myself working at the West Side office... but if that opportunity presents itself, in the form of a raise, bet your ass I'll go.

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It's hard for ME to picture myself working at the West Side office... but if that opportunity presents itself, in the form of a raise, bet your ass I'll go.
Is your West side office in a different city potentially hundreds of miles away? lol

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3/4's of the team are free agents in the summer of 2014.

The luxury of knowing what type of team the Rangers will be going forward likely won't be available to Lundqvist, and I think its pretty important to him.

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I can't understand how it could be difficult. "How long, how much?" "ok. We'll make it work."
Since when are these things ever easy. Player always wants MORE than what his team wishes to give him. Then negotiations start...

Agent: Glad you can meet with me. We are looking for a max contract, we believe Lundqvist has proven himself to be a top player in the league and he is deserving of such a deal.

Sather: I agree with most of what your saying but quite frankly it is not that easy. No one is more deserving of such a deal than Hank. However, To give Lundqvist that kind of contract will acquire us to lose out on other quality players that can help us reach our ultimate goal in making the playoffs and winning the Stanley Cup. Now we want Lundqvist on the forefront of such a dream but you must understand that with the salary cap this is not an easy task. We will have to sacrifice many players that make our team into the competitive team it is today.

Agent: I understand. Well we wish to get a long term deal while being paid as the #1 goalie in the league.

Sather: Understandable. But look at the top Stanley Cup winning goalies in previous years. None have near Lundqvists contract and that helps there teams continue their ongoing success. We wish to give you a long term contract but it must be for 7 million. We will like to add in extra bonuses and *under the money* table to help with the losses in your desired sum.

Agent: That will not due. Lundqvist is need of this money especially in a city like NYC. Now my client has worked extremely hard for this day and he deserves an honest deal. 7.5 to insist he is the number one paid goalie in the league and a max contract or we will look at other options...

Sather: We simply cannot do this. We believe in a balanced team. 7.2 million.

Agent: Same contract as Pekka Rinne.

Sather: Deal...




Include that with weeks of phone conversations, and non stop bickering and weeks of back and forth. Volatile

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You are misunderstanding what he is talking about.

He means contract negotiations in general are volatile. And I assure you that. It was a public question, why would he come out and say the current talks (which there are none) on a contract extension are volatile or say anything negative on the manner. That is not his way or really what any athlete would say in public. The common response is I hope to be there come training camp.

And yea he is right, there are probably horrible to be part of. Your being told your team wants you to have less and you want more and its constant back and forth. Most athletes hate it I am sure.


If he was smart, he would not max out on his contract. I know certain goalies got paid big time recently, but that will only hurt their teams. Brodeur for a long time cut his salary for the better of the team. I hope Hank does the same.
I'm not really misunderstanding anything. I realize more than anyone that contract negotiations are contentious and it's just business.

But I was really hoping that Hank and Slats would hammer out an extension before the season started, and the fact that Lundqvist is describing negotiations as volatile at this juncture and that there is no rush to get it done means that it is unlikely to happen.

Not only could it result in a distraction as Brooklyn Ranger mentioned, but if our offense remains stagnant and there isn't substantial improvement from last year, Lundqvist could start having second thoughts about signing an extension. He definitely loves playing here, no doubt - but he sounded super frustrated about the lack of goal support when the Rangers were eliminated and that's the first time I really felt like he could leave NY. The sooner he signs, the better.

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Since when are these things ever easy. Player always wants MORE than what his team wishes to give him. Then negotiations start...

Agent: Glad you can meet with me. We are looking for a max contract, we believe Lundqvist has proven himself to be a top player in the league and he is deserving of such a deal.

Sather: I agree with most of what your saying but quite frankly it is not that easy. No one is more deserving of such a deal than Hank. However, To give Lundqvist that kind of contract will acquire us to lose out on other quality players that can help us reach our ultimate goal in making the playoffs and winning the Stanley Cup. Now we want Lundqvist on the forefront of such a dream but you must understand that with the salary cap this is not an easy task. We will have to sacrifice many players that make our team into the competitive team it is today.

Agent: I understand. Well we wish to get a long term deal while being paid as the #1 goalie in the league.

Sather: Understandable. But look at the top Stanley Cup winning goalies in previous years. None have near Lundqvists contract and that helps there teams continue their ongoing success. We wish to give you a long term contract but it must be for 7 million. We will like to add in extra bonuses and *under the money* table to help with the losses in your desired sum.

Agent: That will not due. Lundqvist is need of this money especially in a city like NYC. Now my client has worked extremely hard for this day and he deserves an honest deal. 7.5 to insist he is the number one paid goalie in the league and a max contract or we will look at other options...

Sather: We simply cannot do this. We believe in a balanced team. 7.2 million.

Agent: Same contract as Pekka Rinne.

Sather: Deal...




Include that with weeks of phone conversations, and non stop bickering and weeks of back and forth. Volatile
When does Lundqvist's agent bring up the fact that Sather's roster building has largely been **** for the last 20+ years and no amount of money he saves on Lundqvist is going to help that?

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If a deal doesn't get done before the end of the year, then it will become a public distraction. Reporters will be asking questions--both here and wherever else the Rangers play, there will be articles written and if nothing happens, the drumbeat will be very heavy around the trade deadline. And it will become an international story, thanks to Lundqvist's prominent position in the Olympics (more than half of the available TV sets in Sweden will be watching preliminary games, the number will go up if and when the Swedish National Team get into the medal rounds). Tell me that doesn't fit the defintion of distraction.
Oh yea its a distraction. But its not what it is... its how they deal with it. Look at the best organizations. They know how to deal with it all. And I am sure Dolan didnt spend millions of dollars in media and PR classes for his employees to allow such a small distraction to disturb the organization. I am sure Henrik has seen his fair share of distractions having played in NYC now for 8-9 years, having played for the Olympics twice now in a big hockey country... I am sure hes doing the same thing he does every year... PLAY HOCKEY AND STAY FOCUSED.

I am sure Glenn Sather and his 100 years of hockey experience doesnt even have him blink at such small issues and how the public media views the situation.

Both parties agreed to talk about this NEXT year. Now whether near or at the end of the seasons is not up to me. But it aint happening relatively soon.

They have the money to pay him. They wish to pay him everything he wants It now comes down to whats best for the team...

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When does Lundqvist's agent bring up the fact that Sather's roster building has largely been **** for the last 20+ years and no amount of money he saves on Lundqvist is going to help that?
So essentially Hank's agent should be saying "Glen, you've made a ton of crappy contract decisions in previous years, should should continue that practice with my client." lol

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It's hard for ME to picture myself working at the West Side office... but if that opportunity presents itself, in the form of a raise, bet your ass I'll go.
Henrik is making millions already and is on a team that can pay him more than the max salary if they could.

Its coming down to whats best for him. And its unlikely there is a team outside of the Rangers who can give him the best deal...

Penguins might be able to lure him in with talent surrounding him but can they afford him? Unlikely... Rangers are just as likely to be SC competitors and he can get more money with the Rangers without having to move him and his family and have to keep track of all of his investments here like his bar.

Listen, obviously if MORE money were to present himself then moving his wife and leaving his bar to be attended by Sean Avery is not a big deal at all. But the Rangers are likely to pay him near or the same amount as every other team can.

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Is your West side office in a different city potentially hundreds of miles away? lol
well, there u go... it's also the same organization, so the analogy doesn't match up well, but clearly you see my point.

lock him up now for less, 'cause 29 other teams will make offers (whether serious or not--but some that can easily compete with dolan.)

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When does Lundqvist's agent bring up the fact that Sather's roster building has largely been **** for the last 20+ years and no amount of money he saves on Lundqvist is going to help that?
Someone has a one track mind.

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Someone has a one track mind.
Should we ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room?

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Someone has a one track mind.
Time complaining about Sather is well spent compared to, say, complaining about the coach and Brian Boyle.

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Well he's bitter at Sather, as are many longtime fans, but it's understandable.

I think it's not critical, but a high-medium priority to sign him soon. I also question whether Sather can do much with more as opposed to less room--shouldn't matter. BUT... it just makes sense to get that leeway off the jump. RE-SIGN HANK NOW!

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Henrik is making millions already and is on a team that can pay him more than the max salary if they could.

Its coming down to whats best for him. And its unlikely there is a team outside of the Rangers who can give him the best deal...

Penguins might be able to lure him in with talent surrounding him but can they afford him? Unlikely... Rangers are just as likely to be SC competitors and he can get more money with the Rangers without having to move him and his family and have to keep track of all of his investments here like his bar.

Listen, obviously if MORE money were to present himself then moving his wife and leaving his bar to be attended by Sean Avery is not a big deal at all. But the Rangers are likely to pay him near or the same amount as every other team can.
Am I the only one who thinks that would be one hell of a bad idea?

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Our entire off-season was all about one thing - keeping henrik lundquist happy. It may not be enough to keep him. But I gaurantee you his agent had a conversation with Glen about the lack of goal support and contending. This season is all about proving to Hank that the Rangers are a) close to a cup b) or at least giving him goal support. Here's what I believe. Henrik did not like what happened to Gaborik. The treatment, the benching, the trade. He saw it as a defense only philosophy over goal support. The team essentially went from a two-sniper team back to a one-trick pony named Rick Nash. In light of that, it does help make sense of many of the moves this off-season. a) resigning Zucc for 1 year (also a good buddy to Hank) b) not dumping Richards for at least 1 year. c) changing head coaches after a not-so-unsuccessful year. d)signing Pouliot. The philosophy change is all about increasing the goal scoring without blowing up the team. You can almost gaurantee if the team gets off to a slow start or isn't scoring or has another bad PP year - there could be some big moves made that. The kinds of moves the team has promised us they wouldn't make - moves that sacrifice youth. This is a make or break year for the organization. If they lose Henrik it changes everything.

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Penguins might be able to lure him in with talent surrounding him but can they afford him? Unlikely...
What does this mean? Why can't the Penguins afford him?

Not saying he's going to Pittsburgh, but I don't understand this comment at all.


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Crosby and Malkin still need a supporting cast, and a good one... like 15M or nso just with the bottom-six... Neal, Letang, need for a sniper, two highest paid Cs around, and prospectively the highest paid G?

Not being familiar with their cap situation, it seems like pushing the envelope of financial responsibility.

Guarantee you Toronto will be interested... Montreal, Minnesota, Philly, Detroit... rich teams in much better cities than Pittsburgh.

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Crosby and Malkin still need a supporting cast, and a good one... like 15M or nso just with the bottom-six... Neal, Letang, need for a sniper, two highest paid Cs around, and prospectively the highest paid G?

Not being familiar with their cap situation, it seems like pushing the envelope of financial responsibility.

Guarantee you Toronto will be interested... Montreal, Minnesota, Philly, Detroit... rich teams in much better cities than Pittsburgh.
Not sure what you think makes those cities all 'better' than Pittsburgh. If you put elite goaltending on the Penguins they would be scary good.

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