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08-29-2013, 10:55 AM
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I don't understand the beef with having Carter or Couture over Hall.
Those guys (as of right now) are just as good as Hall, better 2 way players actually and have experience on big stages. I'm not surprised at all by those 2 getting mention over Hall. The 2018 Olympics will be a different story altogether but as of right now, i don't have a problem with having them over Hall.
Couture is in no way better than Hall. Not offensively for sure. Defensively? Well the best defense is a good offense and Hall is a beast when it comes to possession and driving play.


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You're basing placing Hall above those guys on the basis of one shortened season, junior accomplishments and draft pedigree.

I'm not saying that Hall shouldn't get the nod over the guys but i don't think it's such a big deal if they get chosen over him and i can understand why Team Canada would.
Good god, Taylor Hall at 21 is already laying claim to being one of the premier talents in the game right now. If he is healthy and playing at the same level he was at last year, they'd be idiots to pass him over in favour of those guys.

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I have little doubt that Hall will be better than both of them but i'm talking about overall pro accomplishments where Hall still has a ways to go
So what's happened in the past is more important that what a player is doing right now?

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08-29-2013, 11:18 AM
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Couture has shown us time and time again that he has elite level offensive ability. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he lead the team in goals.
He's a perimeter player that doesn't create his own offence. This may be okay as i'm sure Hockey Canada has enough guys willing to go into the corners and get the puck and make plays; everyone has their role to fill.

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08-29-2013, 12:28 PM
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Disagree. You are putting way to much stock in the Fact Carter and Couture play for better teams. Sure, that counts a bit, but not a lot. Hall was a better player last year. I think if you ask 95% of NHL fans they will agree.

However, if you insist I wear Rose Colored glassed becuase I think some one who finished in the top 5 in the NHL for PPG, is tough, won two memorial cups, has played for team Canada, was drafted #1 over all should be on the team. THen fine, I wear rose colored glasses.

It isn't like I am suggesting Nuge, Eblerle, or Schultz should be on the team. If you are picking a team now, and you don't look a the year Hall had last year and pick him. Then I don't want you picking team Canada.
Here's a list of the top 25 LWers last year:

Chris Kunitz PIT
2 Taylor Hall EDM
3 Andrew Ladd WPG
4 Matt Moulson NYI
5 Rick Nash NYR
6 Pascal Dupuis PIT
7 James Neal PIT
8 Evander Kane WPG
9 Jamie Benn DAL
10 Mike Cammalleri CGY
11 Ray Whitney DAL
12 Alex Tanguay CGY
13 Milan Lucic BOS
14 Curtis Glencross CGY
15 Brenden Morrow DAL, PIT
16 David Perron STL
17 Alexandre Burrows VAN
18 Bryan Bickell CHI
19 Jamie McGinn COL
20 Mason Raymond VAN
21 Dany Heatley MIN
22 Matt Cooke PIT
23 Clarke MacArthur TOR
24 Benoit Pouliot TBL
25 Ryane Clowe


I'd like to suggest that from that list, you don't just take into consideration last years points. It's allot more than points that gets someone on the National team for the Olympics.

I'd love Hall to make the team, but there are other players that any GM would pick over him, regardless of last years point totals.

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08-29-2013, 12:35 PM
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What will be insane and extremely annoying is seeing guys like Bergeron, Nash and Bouwmeester make the team, despite having pretty weak starts to the season over guys who've been playing lights out, Hall, Spezza, Letang, and then having to listen to the BS excuses as to why.

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Who would you like to see Yakupov play with?

Ovechkin-Datsyuk-Radulov
Kovalchuk-Malkin-Yakupov

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08-29-2013, 12:59 PM
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What will be insane and extremely annoying is seeing guys like Bergeron, Nash and Bouwmeester make the team, despite having pretty weak starts to the season over guys who've been playing lights out, Hall, Spezza, Letang, and then having to listen to the BS excuses as to why.
Spezza and Bergeron are not competing for the same jobs on Team Canada. Not every player is expected to carry the offense. Certain players need to fill a defensive role on a line, be elite PK'ers, and handle important draws. Bergeron is among the best in the world in each of these areas (plus he is a right-handed shot, which differentiates him from the other strong faceoff taking centers in Crosby and Toews, who are lefties). Spezza is competing against Crosby, Giroux, Getzlaf, Thornton, and Tavares, which represents steep competition.

Moreover, you are comparing Letang, a right-shooting, offensive defenseman, with Bouwmeester, a left-shooting defenseman who would be occupying more a two-way role. Once again, apples and oranges. Letang is competing against Weber, Subban, Green, and Doughty as right-handed shots who can QB the PP. Bouwmeester has much easier competition as the left-defenseman (which the coaches prefer to be left-shooting, if possible) positions are relatively open behind Keith (e.g., Hamhuis, M Staal, Phaneuf, etc...).

For all we know, Hall is not competing against Nash. I expect Hall to compete against the likes of Couture, Carter, Duchene, E Kane, Ladd, Kunitz, St. Louis, Tavares, and E Staal, among others, for a scoring line LW position. Hall has an advantage in that he is a natural LW and shoot left-handed. On the other hand, it looks like Nash is slotted to play RW again (as he did in 2010 with Toews-Richards and currently with the NYR) with Toews unless he plays his way out of that spot.

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Spezza and Bergeron are not competing for the same jobs on Team Canada.
Yeah, clearly not centers, like one's trying to be the equipment guy. Seriously, they are, they are both in contention to be a forward(center) on Team Canada. If you asked me today which one I would prefer, I would take Spezza, because Canada's too deep and Too good to worry about having a Rob Zammer-esq player on the team. Instead of worry about the other teams, wake up and understand you have more depth of talent and punch them in the mouth.

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Yeah, clearly not centers, like one's trying to be the equipment guy. Seriously, they are, they are both in contention to be a forward(center) on Team Canada. If you asked me today which one I would prefer, I would take Spezza, because Canada's too deep and Too good to worry about having a Rob Zammer-esq player on the team. Instead of worry about the other teams, wake up and understand you have more depth of talent and punch them in the mouth.
You seem to forget that not every center on Team Canada will receive his usual 18-22 minutes of ice time per game and play the same role he does on his NHL team. Nonetheless, to win the game each center and his line are responsible for winning their match-ups. Guys like Crosby, Toews, and Bergeron do it better than Spezza so I'll take them on my team over a guy who can put up points, but be more of a liability in his own zone. Moreover, centers like Toews and Bergeron can play the PK well and are among the best in the world in winning faceoffs, which is important for a team that wants to play a puck possession game. This is not NHL '14.

To extend your analogy further - saying, "...punch them in the mouth," is like a bar room brawler showing up to an MMA fight and hoping for the one punch knockout. Preparation and roster flexibility are the keys to winning against a myriad of skilled opponents.

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Yeah, clearly not centers, like one's trying to be the equipment guy. Seriously, they are, they are both in contention to be a forward(center) on Team Canada. If you asked me today which one I would prefer, I would take Spezza, because Canada's too deep and Too good to worry about having a Rob Zammer-esq player on the team. Instead of worry about the other teams, wake up and understand you have more depth of talent and punch them in the mouth.
Bergeron isn't a 30 point center.

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You seem to forget that not every center on Team Canada will receive his usual 18-22 minutes of ice time per game and play the same role he does on his NHL team. Nonetheless, to win the game each center and his line are responsible for winning their match-ups. Guys like Crosby, Toews, and Bergeron do it better than Spezza so I'll take them on my team over a guy who can put up points, but be more of a liability in his own zone. Moreover, centers like Toews and Bergeron can play the PK well and are among the best in the world in winning faceoffs, which is important for a team that wants to play a puck possession game. This is not NHL '14.

To extend your analogy further - saying, "...punch them in the mouth," is like a bar room brawler showing up to an MMA fight and hoping for the one punch knockout. Preparation and roster flexibility are the keys to winning against a myriad of skilled opponents.
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Bergeron isn't a 30 point center.
No, but he isn't a franchise center either.

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No, but he isn't a franchise center either.
No, he is not a franchise #1 center. Nonetheless, he is the best right-handed faceoff taker in the league, who is a multiple time Selke nominee (winner in 2011-12), a strong penalty killer, and scores 55-70 points per season. He is the ideal player to shutdown opposing superstars, anchor the PK, and take important faceoffs. Bergeron is a proven playoff warrior too. Teams win championships with guys like Toews and Bergeron playing key roles.

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I just watched a couple of videos from coaches, and players at the Team Canada camp. Liked what I heard from Hall and Eberle. I have a feeling that these two are gonna come out gangbausters at the beginning of the season.

I also found it very interesting listening to coach Babcock refer to a 40 minute argument the coaches had over 3 inches of ice.

http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocen...id=DL|EDM|home

I tried linking to each individual interview, but it didn't work.
They are right in a row just after the Joenssu interview.

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Hall, Eberle, I think are possible for team Canada but with all the depth that team Canada has I would not be surprised if neither make the team. I hope one of them does though.

Hemsky is a given for Czech Republic.

Nail Yakupov has a good chance of making team Russia, much like Canada they have a deep roster but I wouldn't be surprised if he made the team.

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Hall will play himself on to the team. If he plays like he did last year or better, they will have no better LW. He is obviously on the radar of the Olympic committee but TSN fail to acknowledge him.

Jonathan Willis says it better here:
http://oilersnation.com/2013/8/28/taylor-hall-olympian

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Hall will play himself on to the team. If he plays like he did last year or better, they will have no better LW. He is obviously on the radar of the Olympic committee but TSN fail to acknowledge him.

Jonathan Willis says it better here:
http://oilersnation.com/2013/8/28/taylor-hall-olympian
He would fit nicely on the first line, imo.

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Hall deserves to be on the team, and I'd bet a lot of the hockey analysts think it too; just they're picking on what they think the team will end up being and using 2010 as a template.

2010 they really tried to have a "complete" team, brought checking guys along, faceoff specialist, tried to not have players play their off hand, and really tried to value existing chemistry.... and well it worked, they won gold... so they'll do it again

Same guys are running the show, means guys like Nash (bigger body) likely get in again (and Hockey Canada loves him for some reason) if I was picking the team, Nash may be left out... but I think he's a lock to be on the team.

Same with Bergeron, he's almost for sure a lock to be on the team.

They left Mike Green off (the best offensive D in the NHL at the time in 2010), since they wanted 2 way players.... guys like Letang, and Hall who are more offensively orientated could be out of luck for the same reason.

Seabrook was brought along because of his chemistry with Keith (Seabrook didn't deserve to make the team back then, he deserves to make it a lot more this time and he may not since Keith is penciled in to play with Doughty so he'd have to make it on his own merit this time and he's often being speculated as being left off the team),

again a guy like Kunitz doesn't deserve it, but they may bring him because of his chemistry with Crosby especially since last Olympics it's not like Crosby lit it up (with exception to the game winner) he wasn't as big of a factor that everyone was expecting (main reason I'd give the C to Toews, he's a leader and he LED the Canada team in 2010). So they may provide Crosby with someone he has chemistry with and works well with.

Guys like Richard and Carter are solid 2 way players, if they give 1st line LW to Kunitz (crosby chemistry), 2nd line LW to a C like Giroux... Hockey Canada may decide that a Richards/Carter type of player on the 3rd/4th line is more valuable than Hall, since they are vastly inferior offensively but are more solid defensively and can kill penalties.

Was Mike Green better then Seabrook in 2010... YES
Was a guy like Spezza or Stamkos or St. Louis better than Bergeron or Morrow in 2010.... YES

But Seabrook, Bergeron, and Morrow made the team since they could fill in roles that Hockey Canada management wanted them to fill... If it's the 14 BEST Canadian forwards that make it, Hall would be a lock...


but they will use the 2010 gold roster template and will pick players to fill in roles on the team and that means Hall is not a lock to be on the team. Hall may have to be a top 6 Canadian forward talent-wise to make the team... and if they want to bring Kunitz to play with Crosby, there may only be 4 other top 6 forward spots for offensive guys like Giroux, Hall, Eberle, Tavares, Stamkos, St. Louis.... Hall and Kunitz could be fighting for one spot on the team.

and if they give a top 6 forwards spots to guys like Nash, Staal, Neal, Getzlaf, Thorton, Toews... there may even be fewer spots.

-I know my "expected" Canada team would be a lot different then what the team I'd personally pick would be

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Seriously?? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!111

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No way.... Tell me that's just the Bays fall collection.

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Seriously?? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!111
What....the hell....is this?

That would be an awesome sweater to wear while watching the game at home, but it had better not be our Olympic jerseys. Please tell me I'm wrong in assuming this?

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All of the countries seem to be trying to out-awful each other with these jersey designs.

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The one white arm band infuriates me...
Can anyone tell whats on the shoulders in the shiny red stuff?

At least everyone is stuck with these awful nike jerseys.

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