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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2013 (36th)

View Poll Results: Who's #36?
Darren Kramer 13 30.95%
Chris Leblanc 0 0%
Jakub Culek 4 9.52%
Ben Blood 1 2.38%
Jeff Costello 1 2.38%
Quentin Shore 8 19.05%
Ludwig Karlsson 13 30.95%
Wacey Hamilton 1 2.38%
Tim Boyle 1 2.38%
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08-30-2013, 06:33 AM
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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2013 (36th)

Sens Prospect Rankings:

1. Robin Lehner G 6'4" 223 (Ottawa Senators, NHL) 52.82%
2. Mika Zibanejad C 6'1" 200 (Ottawa Senators, NHL) 86.05%
3. Curtis Lazar C 6'0" 194 (Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL) 52.08%
4. Cody Ceci D 6'3" 215 (Owen Sound Attack, OHL) 36.00%
5. Jean-Gabriel Pageau C 5'9" 163 (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 41.46%
6. Cory Conacher LW 5'8" 176 (Ottawa Senators, NHL)56.63%
7. Patrick Wiercioch D 6'5" 205 (Ottawa Senators, NHL)52.34%
8. Mark Stone RW 6'2" 188 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)66.30%
9. Matt Puempel LW 6'0" 198 (Peterborough Petes, OHL)51.40%
10. Shane Prince C 5'10" 181 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)70.49%
11. Mike Hoffman C 5'11" 176 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)44.66%
12. Mark Borowiecki D 6'1" 200 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)28.07%
13. Stephane Da Costa C 5'11" 185 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)32.98%
14. Chris Driedger G 6'2" 186 (Calgary Hitmen, WHL)42.86%
15. Fredrik Claesson D 6'0" 205 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)51.81%
16. Mikael Wikstrand D 6'1" 183 (Mora, SWE-2)34.25%
17. Jarrod Maidens C 6'1" 178 (Owen Sound Attack, OHL)31.46%
18. Derek Grant C 6'3" 190 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)61.80
19. Andre Petersson RW 5'9" 169 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)27.59%
20. Michael Sdao D 6'4" 221 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)22.03%
21. Ryan Dzingel C 6'0" 185 (Ohio State University, NCAA)32.50%
22. Buddy Robinson C 6'5" 236 (Lake Superior State University, NCAA)37.10%
23. Cole Schneider LW 6'2" 185 (Binghamton Senators, AHL)57.14%
24. Troy Rutkowski D 6'2" 208 (Portland Winterhawks, WHL)25.45%
25. Marcus Hogberg G 6'5" 212 SWE (Linkoping, J20 SuperElit)26.47%
26. David Dziurzynski LW 6'3" 204 CAN (Binghamton Senators, AHL)61.90%
27. Nikita Filatov LW 6'0" 190 RUS (Ufa Salavat Yulayev, KHL)21.43%
28. Francois Brassard G 6'1" 154 CAN (Quebec Remparts, QMJHL)43.33%
29. Max McCormick LW 5'11" 174 USA (Ohio State University, NCAA)41.67%
30. Vincent Dunn LW 5'11" 172 CAN (Val d'Or Foreurs, QMJHL)25.45%
31. Corey Cowick LW 6'3" 208 CAN (Binghamton Senators, AHL)28.33%
32. Chris Wideman D 5'10" 170 USA (Binghamton Senators, AHL)36.11%
33. Robert Baillargeon C 6'0" 174 USA (Boston University, NCAA)21.21%
34. Ben Harpur D 6'5" 209 CAN (Guelph Storm, OHL)48.28%
35. Tobias Lindberg C/RW 6'2" 187 SWE (Djurgarden J20, SEL)39.39%

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Prospect Criteria:

A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to
the criteria above.

European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

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gotta go with karlsson
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I went with Quentin Shore - I think he will turn out to be a quality 6th round pick. Good size, good skill. Hopefully he makes the USA World Junior squad - would be great experience for him.

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Kramer he could be a good 4th line grinder

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Oh come on ! At least three NHL teams were interested in karlsson. Besides ECHL teams, who's interested in kramer? You saw it here first folks, i bet karlsson scores 20 goals in the AHL this season(barring injury)


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Oh come on ! At least three NHL teams were interested in karlsson. Besides ECHL teams, who's interested in kramer? You saw it here first folks, i bet karlsson scores 20 goals in the AHL this season(barring injury)
That would be pretty impressive considering he hasn't scored more than 13 goals in a season at any level.

You might want to temper your expectations a bit.

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Kramer he could be a good 4th line grinder
Kramer seems like the best choice here.

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That would be pretty impressive considering he hasn't scored more than 13 goals in a season at any level.

You might want to temper your expectations a bit.
meh, by college hockey standards his numbers were okay plus you have to consider his team was pretty bad. Maybe 20 is ambitious but i rather be ambitious then bet on kramer !


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Quentin Shore

Quentin Shore gets my vote at this time...................

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meh, by college hockey standards his numbers were okay plus you have to consider his team was pretty bad. Maybe 20 is ambitious but i rather be ambitious then bet on kramer !
Why are you knocking Kramer? He could end up being another Chris Neil type of player which would make him a very valuable asset to the organization.

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Every time I see Ludwig Karlsson, I keep thinking we are forgetting the "Von" part.

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Kramer.

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Why are you knocking Kramer? He could end up being another Chris Neil type of player which would make him a very valuable asset to the organization.
A chris neil type player would be his top potential. Basically if we were to call up kramer as is it'd solely as an enforcer and theres better option out there for player who fill that position. I respect the guy for trying to carve out a position as a fighter but he has to bring more to table. I'd rather stick with kassain over kramer.

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Every time I see Ludwig Karlsson, I keep thinking we are forgetting the "Von" part.
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Sidebar: Chris Neil isn't getting any younger & Kassian isn't an everyday player. Kramer would fit the role that Neil plays, although I'm not sure he will ever be as tough or as good as Neil has been for Ottawa. It will be interesting to see if Chris Neil gets re-signed when his contract ends, just like it is going to be interesing to see if Chris Phillips gets re-signed.

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Sidebar: Chris Neil isn't getting any younger & Kassian isn't an everyday player. Kramer would fit the role that Neil plays, although I'm not sure he will ever be as tough or as good as Neil has been for Ottawa. It will be interesting to see if Chris Neil gets re-signed when his contract ends, just like it is going to be interesing to see if Chris Phillips gets re-signed.
Without rechecking their AHL stats dont kramer and kassain have roughly the same TOI and point totals?

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Without rechecking their AHL stats dont kramer and kassain have roughly the same TOI and point totals?
Using AHL totals seems kind of useless at this point because Kramer has only player part of one season whereas Kassian has played 3 full seasons and parts of two others in the AHL. A better comparison would be based off their WHL totals. In Matt Kassian's best season in the WHL he put up 8 goals and 10 assists for 18 points in 72 games played. In Kramer's best WHL season he put up 22 goals and 18 assists for 40 points in 71 games played. That is a differential of 22 points which is a pretty good indication that Kramer is a better offensive player by a fairly significant margin.

Another thing worth noting is the jump in Kramer's production at the WHL level pre and post draft. The above are his post draft totals whereas his pre-draft totals are 8 goals and 6 assists for 14 points in 68 games played. Therefore with a bit of work with the Senators development staff and a some more opportunities allotted in Spokane, Kramer was able to triple his assist totals and nearly triple his goal and point totals from his previous season.

Due to the evidence above, we can infer that Kramer will continue to develop and at the very least has the potential to become somewhat of a regular contributor aside from the fisticuffs. This bodes well for his potential as a prospect and is somewhat of a indication that he may take on a Neil type role at some point.

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Using AHL totals seems kind of useless at this point because Kramer has only player part of one season whereas Kassian has played 3 full seasons and parts of two others in the AHL. A better comparison would be based off their WHL totals. In Matt Kassian's best season in the WHL he put up 8 goals and 10 assists for 18 points in 72 games played. In Kramer's best WHL season he put up 22 goals and 18 assists for 40 points in 71 games played. That is a differential of 22 points which is a pretty good indication that Kramer is a better offensive player by a fairly significant margin.

Another thing worth noting is the jump in Kramer's production at the WHL level pre and post draft. The above are his post draft totals whereas his pre-draft totals are 8 goals and 6 assists for 14 points in 68 games played. Therefore with a bit of work with the Senators development staff and a some more opportunities allotted in Spokane, Kramer was able to triple his assist totals and nearly triple his goal and point totals from his previous season.

Due to the evidence above, we can infer that Kramer will continue to develop and at the very least has the potential to become somewhat of a regular contributor aside from the fisticuffs. This bodes well for his potential as a prospect and is somewhat of a indication that he may take on a Neil type role at some point.
Well maybe. You're doing a pretty good job of selling him on me. Still we dont actually have to ice an enforcer and currently he's at least behind kassain and neil, two players that are both more experienced, bigger and have of course produced more at a pro level. I'm guessing he's slated as being a bottom 6 forward on bingo this upcoming season so it'll be interesting to see what kinda production he can get. If he doesnt show any kind of NHL talent i'd rather just resign kassain. As i see it right now, hes far away from being an NHL player or not NHL material for the role he's trying to fill.

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