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08-28-2013, 09:51 PM
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Interesting huh? Obviously the guy had a Hell of a nice wrist shot, as sure enough, you get enough twist on one of those with your wrists that pucks going to curve, drift.... wound up his career in Vancouver in 1920 playing with Cyclone Taylor & Jolly Jack Adams among others. All Time PCHA Scoring Record with 43G's in 23 Games.
Curious as to the effect of the one piece stick on the wrist shot.Never tried one but from those I've seen the blade looked thicker, heavier so it would be interesting to see how positioning the puck on the stick could effect trajectory.

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Curious as to the effect of the one piece stick on the wrist shot.Never tried one but from those I've seen the blade looked thicker, heavier so it would be interesting to see how positioning the puck on the stick could effect trajectory.
Good question. What were the rules with respect to stick length back then? I know today its 63"'s from heel to cap but back then they were seemingly somewhat longer. This would allow for greater flex I should think, though clearly, the sticks were larger, heavier, including the blade which was longer, thicker. Additionally it was one piece, so it wouldve been a lot more rigid. Not as much spring and snap to it as a 3 piece. Then theres the Lie of the things. Low. Like what are we talking here, 3's for the most part? I think with a guy like Roberts there, he probably had extraordinarily strong wrists and had spent hours, years perfecting it as a kid. Messing around with the stick, finding ones with the greatest flex, right shape of blade, cradling it down low with a fairly dramatic back sweep and then flourish on the follow through, snapping his wrists forward at the moment of release. The puck spinning from just beyond the heel to that sweetspot in the middle of the stick. You see in old pictures how guys taped their sticks, leaving that centre part of the blade un-taped for direct contact with the puck on the wood for better "feel". Defenceman use a stiffer stick, forwards one with flex of course, but what still boggles my mind is that the mechanics in taking a shot at that lie, so low, well, quite a bit foreign to what were accustomed to & really since at least the late 20's early 30's.

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January 23, 1934 Joe Malone by D.A.L. MacDonald

"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profiles Joe Malone, one of the NHA/NHL greats who received little press playing in Quebec City. D.A.L. MacDonald offers a tidbit about hockey in Quebec City dating back to the square puck era, details about Joe Malone's overall skills - defensively, low PIMs:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...7005%2C2898429

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January 20, 1934 Jack Laviolette by D.A.L. MacDonald

"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profiles Jack Laviolette, one of the original Montreal Canadiens. D.A.L. MacDonald details his multi-sport athletic career that was cut short by a car accident, his speed including skating backwards plus a rivalry with Sprague Cleghorn:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6953%2C2498823

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January 18, 1934 Frank Nighbor by D.A.L. MacDonald

"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profiles Frank Nighbor, the inventor of the poke check. D.A.L. MacDonald covers Nighbor's career in detail, his successes and clean play while attributing the change in hockey style from stick handling to speed to his attributes and contributions. Important read:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...2917%2C2172505

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Ya theres a couple of seminal players & sportsman. Jean Baptiste (Jack) Laviolette is in both the HHOF & Canadas' Sports Hall of Fame (Lacrosse). He was one of the founders of the Montreal Canadiens' in 1909 and initially played Point (Defense) but moved up to Forward forming a line with Didier Pitre & Newsy Lalonde, winning a Stanley Cup in 1916. Nicknamed "Speed Merchant" for his spectacular rushes. Lost a foot in 1918 and incredibly came back to do some Refereeing.

Frank "The Flying Dutchman" or "Pembroke Peach" Nighbor (generally called "Dutch") was a savvy Center who used an oversized stick, wicked with the Poke Check. Turned pro with the Toronto Blueshirts in 1913 & moved to the PCHA where he won a Cup with Vancouver in 1915. Returned east the following season & played for the Senators (41G's in 19 games in 1916/17) through half of the 1928/29, returning to Toronto & the Leafs where he finished his career that spring. 1 Stanley Cup with Vancouver, 4 with the Senators including winning the Hart in 1924 and the Lady Byng in 1925 & 1926.

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January 13, 1934 George "Buck" Boucher by D.A.L. MacDonald

"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" featured George "Buck" Boucher. Profiled by D.A.L. MacDonald as an honest and stand-up player and teammate.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6868%2C1560683

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January 2, 1934 Fred "Cyclone" Taylor by D.A.L. MacDonald

"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profile of Fred "Cyclone" Taylor. D.A.L. MacDonald's commentary is rather limited eastern experiences, brief western overview and observations by the Patricks. Comparable to Howie Morenz is noteworthy.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=6893%2C201744

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"Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profile of Fred "Cyclone" Taylor. D.A.L. MacDonald's commentary is rather limited eastern experiences, brief western overview and observations by the Patricks. Comparable to Howie Morenz is noteworthy.
Ya, the very mention of the mans name out here amongst the older generations, most now gone would engender looks of awe & wonder on their faces decades after he'd retired. The guy was a Superstar, Legend. Defence, Rover, Centre. Prolly Goaltender as well if he'd any inclination. Like Pavel Bure' but considerably more rugged. Guy actually improved with age and didnt even join Vancouver until he was like 29 or 30, winning consecutive scoring titles at 35.

Im not sure of the exact details but after retiring he contributed to the War efforts, WW2, receiving an O.B.E. from King George the VI. Also honored in turning the sod for the HHOF in 1960 on the C.N.E. grounds in Toronto. Dropped the puck at the Canucks inaugural game in 1970 and was a fixture at games thereafter. Theres a Jr.B team in Listowel Ontario named after him along with an arena in Tara, another here in Vancouver, the street surrounding Canadian Tire Place in Ottawa, home of the Senators also named after him. His son Fred Jr. opened a sporting goods store in Vancouver called Cyclone Taylors in 1957 that 3 generations later is still going strong.

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08-31-2013, 04:55 AM
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Again going through my bookmarks Bunch of articles from late 1910s and early 1920s talking about the problems of finding new pro level player material.

The Calgary Daily Herald - Dec 20, 1917
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...517,5751476&dq

Small story in the end kind of proves the situation. From the articles that I have read Paddy Moran started to be badly out of his prime in last couple of seasons. But yet again they tried to get one more year out of him.

The Border Cities Star - Oct 12, 1918
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...561,3487563&dq

The Calgary Daily Herald - Jan 11, 1922
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...426,1012967&dq

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Excellent Contribution

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Again going through my bookmarks Bunch of articles from late 1910s and early 1920s talking about the problems of finding new pro level player material.

The Calgary Daily Herald - Dec 20, 1917
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...517,5751476&dq

Small story in the end kind of proves the situation. From the articles that I have read Paddy Moran started to be badly out of his prime in last couple of seasons. But yet again they tried to get one more year out of him.

The Border Cities Star - Oct 12, 1918
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...561,3487563&dq

The Calgary Daily Herald - Jan 11, 1922
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...426,1012967&dq
An excellent contribution. What this project is all about. Will comment in detail next week when time allows. Basic problem was WWI.


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1881 First McGill Hockey Team + First Hockey Trophy

An interesting article from December 15, 1933 about the first McGill Hockey team, with an interesting team picture, and the first hockey trophy:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...5612%2C1926333

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December 12, 1933 Shore - Bailey Incident

Gazette reporting of the December 12, 1933 Shore-Bailey Incident:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6999%2C1760890

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6577%2C1774747


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December 4, 1933 NHL Rule Changes

Some early season rule changes were necessary. Three were made at the Dec 4, 1933 NHL meeting.

1.) larger crease was introduced.
2.) handling the puck was better defined.
3.) misconduct / contacting an official was clarified.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=6629%2C548813

November 29,1933 enforcement of interference rule given stricter guidelines:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6904%2C3922740

Rather interesting as two teams are named as the practitioners of interference - Americans and Blackhawks. Blackhawks went on to win the SC.


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March 11, 1935 Herb Cain by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Herb Cain. Interesting in that it explained the rights to Herb Cain issue that arose between the Maroons and Canadiens at the time of the Howie Morenz trade in 1934:

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March 9, 1935 Bob Gracie by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Bob Gracie. Profiles Gracie's path to the NHL with anecdotal accounts of his NHL career:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6603%2C1227591

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March 12, 1935 Dolly Swift by D.A.L. MacDonald

A very interesting profile from the "Turning Back Hockey's Pages" series. Dolly Swift one of hockey's early stars from the 1880's is the subject for D.A.L. MacDonald's article. Funny anecdote about Weldy Young as well as two interesting style observations about Dolly Swift's game. Pushed the puck ahead when rushing and used the boards to play the puck around a defender.

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March 13, 1935 Stew Evans by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Stew Evans. Traces his path to the NHL:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6662%2C1771841

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March 14, 1935 Billy Aird by D.A.L. MacDonald

Another "Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profile. Billy Aird, one of the original 1885 Montreal A.A.A hockey players is featured. D.A.L. MacDonald details Aird's overall athletic talents and provide details about some of his teammates including Tom Paton:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...6673%2C1904393

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March 15, 1935 Cy Wentworth by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Cy Wentworth. Traces his path to the NHL

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March 8, 1935 Jack McGill by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Jack McGill. Profiles McGill's path to the NHL with background accounts. What is interesting is the depth of hockey talent on McGill's high school team - two future HHOFers - Syd Howe and Bill Cowley. Also an interesting perspective on summer employment and how certain teams may have viewed the type of work their players did:


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March 6, 1935 Graham Drinkwater by D.A.L. MacDonald

Another "Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profile by D.A.L. MacDonald - Graham Drinkwater, Montreal Victorias star 1889 -19000. The ice of the first rushing defenseman surfaces again. Also more information is found about the path taken by various 19th century stars from their school days to elite amateur hockey.

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March 5, 1935 Nelson Crutchfield by Marc T. McNeil

Marc T. McNeil hockey reporter and columnist at The Gazette, authored a series of profiles of NHL players title "From a Ring-Side Seat" in 1935. One such article featured Nelson Crutchfield. Profiles Crutchfield's path to the NHL with background accounts. Nelson Crutchfield was the key piece in the Howie Morenz trade.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=6649%2C520320

Tragically Nelson Crutchfield`s NHL career was cut short by a near fatal car accident:

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Another "Turning Back Hockey's Pages" profile by D.A.L. MacDonald - Graham Drinkwater, Montreal Victorias star 1889 -19000. The ice of the first rushing defenseman surfaces again. Also more information is found about the path taken by various 19th century stars from their school days to elite amateur hockey.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=6649%2C654282
Thats certainly interesting. Drinkwaters rushes inspiring the Winnipeg Victorias who thereafter encouraged their Point & Cover Point players to engage in same. This guy appears to have been quite the multi-sport talent as was the case with many back then, never turning pro.

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March 2, 1935 Baldy Spittal by D.A.L. MacDonald

Another "Turning Back Hockey's Pages" Profile. Baldy Spittal, Ottawa 1896-1909 is featured. Some interesting anecdotes, a brief look at the rough play of his era and a story of how referees were treated with little or no support from the league or governing bodies:

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