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Let's talk about movies (and TV shows)... The Sequel!!

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to start this one off, I'll throw some gas on the fire.


Does anybody else feel that die hard is incredibly overrated?



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Die Hard 1 and 3 are great. 2 and the rest...meh.

To continue the Sci-Fi discussion from last thread, I'm not sure if I'd place 5th Element as the best SciFi. There's way too many good ones to pick one. I'm surprised Looper hasn't been mentioned, it's one of my favorite SciFi movies. Maybe 'cause I went into it with zero expectations, but I ****ing loved it.

An other good oneL 12 monkeys

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Die Hard 1 and 3 are great. 2 and the rest...meh.

To continue the Sci-Fi discussion from last thread, I'm not sure if I'd place 5th Element as the best SciFi. There's way too many good ones to pick one. I'm surprised Looper hasn't been mentioned, it's one of my favorite SciFi movies. Maybe 'cause I went into it with zero expectations, but I ****ing loved it.

An other good oneL 12 monkeys
The Die Hard movies aren't meant to be taken too seriously. The only ones that are decent are the John McTiernan ones (1 and 3). Relative to their respective genre these two movies hold up pretty well.

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to start this one off, I'll throw some gas on the fire.


Does anybody else feel that die hard is incredibly overrated?



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Hang your head in shame. Calling Die Hard overrated is grounds for being kicked out of Guy-World. Seriously man, the franchise tapped into this archetypal story of solitary reluctant hero battling impossible odds. A lot hinged upon Bruce Willis's ability to carry the storyline, and he hit a grand slam. Willis was the perfect actor, with a balance of physicality and humour that made him just strong enough to win, but not too strong to be unbelievable. He was likeable but no saint, a guy who couldn't handle his wife but found a zippy one-liner chemistry with head bad-guy Alan Rickman. In a lot of ways, Willis' John McLean character became a template for so many snarky heroes that followed. Dysfunctional in life, functional in crisis.

But even beyond Willis, the film was well-constructed. The setting was perfect -- a huge office building that confined everyone just as effectively as being marooned on an island. In fact, added all together, the cast, story, setting and directing made Die Hard one of film's perfect thrillers.

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The Die Hard movies aren't meant to be taken too seriously. The only ones that are decent are the John McTiernan ones (1 and 3). Relative to their respective genre these two movies hold up pretty well.
This. Die Hard pretty much revived the action flick genre in the late 80's, which was polluted by larger-than-life quasi-invincible characters played by Ah-Nuld, Stallone and Steven Segal. Someone had the guts to cast Bruce Willis as John McClane, the witty and resourceful 'ordinary guy' with a die hard (duh) motivation/resolve. It became a blockbuster. It also pretty much brought back the sequel trend.

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Hang your head in shame. Calling Die Hard overrated is grounds for being kicked out of Guy-World. Seriously man, the franchise tapped into this archetypal story of solitary reluctant hero battling impossible odds. A lot hinged upon Bruce Willis's ability to carry the storyline, and he hit a grand slam. Willis was the perfect actor, with a balance of physicality and humour that made him just strong enough to win, but not too strong to be unbelievable. He was likeable but no saint, a guy who couldn't handle his wife but found a zippy one-liner chemistry with head bad-guy Alan Rickman. In a lot of ways, Willis' John McLean character became a template for so many snarky heroes that followed. Dysfunctional in life, functional in crisis.

But even beyond Willis, the film was well-constructed. The setting was perfect -- a huge office building that confined everyone just as effectively as being marooned on an island. In fact, added all together, the cast, story, setting and directing made Die Hard one of film's perfect thrillers.
Yeah, pretty much what I was trying to say, but much more eloquently


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Die Hard 1 and 3 are great. 2 and the rest...meh.

To continue the Sci-Fi discussion from last thread, I'm not sure if I'd place 5th Element as the best SciFi. There's way too many good ones to pick one. I'm surprised Looper hasn't been mentioned, it's one of my favorite SciFi movies. Maybe 'cause I went into it with zero expectations, but I ****ing loved it.

An other good oneL 12 monkeys
I worship 12 Monkeys. It is an orgasm of mind-bending paradoxes. Actually, it's a multiple orgasm because it keeps looping back on itself. No wonder I love this film.

Plus, add it to the evidence (along with my previous post) that Bruce Willis is a far better actor than he's given credit for.

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Oh, and Alan Rickman is God

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I worship 12 Monkeys. It is an orgasm of mind-bending paradoxes. Actually, it's a multiple orgasm because it keeps looping back on itself. No wonder I love this film.

Plus, add it to the evidence (along with my previous post) that Bruce Willis is a far better actor than he's given credit for.
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Well, at the very least, his success rate is about the same.

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From movies to TV, and from God to God-forsaken:

I was flipping channels last night, and I stumbled across this episode of Un souper presque parfait with 'where is he now' board member Daniel Bigras (he of tricolore.ca sh... err, fame):

Part 1

Part 2

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It's... something.


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Die Hard 1 and 3 are great. 2 and the rest...meh.
Same here.

Die Hard 2 was never a Die Hard movie. It's a book adaptation and the producer wanted it to have the Die Hard label.

4 and 5, like most recent action movies just don't make sense (IMO). You don't know what's going on, you don't know why (and how?) the bad guys do this or that. And McLane is just hopping from one firefight to the other, randomly stumbling upon some intel on the way etc.

I actually saw #4, expecting it to a least follow in the footsteps of 1&3. Was so bad that I just looked at the first 30 min. or so of #5 just to be convinced that it's gonna be the same cr4p.

But 1&3. Those two did age very well. Yes, there's a bunch unrealistic things in there, of course. But at least McLane has to sort of figure out what's going in order to take down the bad guys, whose motives and means are, to a certain extent, beliveable.

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Hang your head in shame. Calling Die Hard overrated is grounds for being kicked out of Guy-World. Seriously man, the franchise tapped into this archetypal story of solitary reluctant hero battling impossible odds. A lot hinged upon Bruce Willis's ability to carry the storyline, and he hit a grand slam. Willis was the perfect actor, with a balance of physicality and humour that made him just strong enough to win, but not too strong to be unbelievable. He was likeable but no saint, a guy who couldn't handle his wife but found a zippy one-liner chemistry with head bad-guy Alan Rickman. In a lot of ways, Willis' John McLean character became a template for so many snarky heroes that followed. Dysfunctional in life, functional in crisis.
I agree 100%.

I also always thought of Die Hard and Lethal Weapon to be very similar (fan of both). Gibson and Willis have the ability to play a tough cop on a mission and make room for humour without killing the suspense.

Also, go 12 monkeys

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Same here.

Die Hard 2 was never a Die Hard movie. It's a book adaptation and the producer wanted it to have the Die Hard label.

4 and 5, like most recent action movies just don't make sense (IMO). You don't know what's going on, you don't know why (and how?) the bad guys do this or that. And McLane is just hopping from one firefight to the other, randomly stumbling upon some intel on the way etc.

I actually saw #4, expecting it to a least follow in the footsteps of 1&3. Was so bad that I just looked at the first 30 min. or so of #5 just to be convinced that it's gonna be the same cr4p.

But 1&3. Those two did age very well. Yes, there's a bunch unrealistic things in there, of course. But at least McLane has to sort of figure out what's going in order to take down the bad guys, whose motives and means are, to a certain extent, beliveable.
Rule of thumb:

If Bruce Willis has no hair in it, it's not a Die Hard movie.

Another case of 'original' trilogy. Yippie Ki Yay!

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I agree 100%.

I also always thought of Die Hard and Lethal Weapon to be very similar (fan of both). Gibson and Willis have the ability to play a tough cop on a mission and make room for humour without killing the suspense.

Also, go 12 monkeys
Of course my man Roy digs 12 Monkeys

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Since we're being honest... I don't care much for the Godfather series. Any of them.

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I love the Money Pit. That is my answer to that statement.

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Doesn't like The Godfather, uses Family Guy to prove his point

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T'was a joke. You know... satire?

I still don't like The Godfather though.

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Personally I rank good fellas, casino and scarface above godfather trio when it comes to gangster flicks. Doesn't mean I don't like godfather, its a great trilogy.

The untouchables IMO is one of the most overrated gangster flicks. Connery and Costner are terrible in that movie

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Hah. Oh boy. I'd tell you to take cover, but you know that already.

Loved godfather 1. Don't understand how people have to argue about which one is better between 1 and 2.


As for die hard... I can see how it helped revive the action movie scene at the time, but just as a film, I don't find it all that entertaining. I always see it as #1 on all time best action movies when T2 is a vastly superior film. Matrix too, imo, fwiw.

I tried watching kill bill vol. 1 again. Couldn't get through it, again. Just not my type of movie.


Not sure if I mentioned it in the last thread, but anyone else here love Old Boy?

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While we are confessing our sins against manhood , I am sure everyone has a movie they don't get or is overhyped. Mine is A Clockwork Orange.

Oh and some of the Die Hard movies have redefined the art of taking your audience for idiots. These movies defy so many things but mostly the laws of physics.

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Hah. Oh boy. I'd tell you to take cover, but you know that already.

Loved godfather 1. Don't understand how people have to argue about which one is better between 1 and 2.


As for die hard... I can see how it helped revive the action movie scene at the time, but just as a film, I don't find it all that entertaining. I always see it as #1 on all time best action movies when T2 is a vastly superior film. Matrix too, imo, fwiw.

I tried watching kill bill vol. 1 again. Couldn't get through it, again. Just not my type of movie.


Not sure if I mentioned it in the last thread, but anyone else here love Old Boy?
I have Old Boy but haven't watched it yet. I might have watched it by now if not for all the great suggestions on this thread which have ended up on my watch list .

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