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07-16-2013, 10:45 AM
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I've never been a big fan of Nattinen, he needs to get quicker and improve his offensive game imo. Crisp seems more like a mix of Turner Stevenson, as he's likely much tougher then Nattinen, but both are big body forwards that are not very quick skaters. I will say in the little I saw, I was impressed with Crisp's defensive play (plus he was a regular on the PK) so it's something that I will be looking at in the future. Looks like he could have the tools to be a solid 4th liner some day or better if he can get quicker while improving his overall game. Crisp is looking like an interesting pick for sure.
Agreed on Nattinen.

Nattinen just doesn`t have an impressive skillset and isn`t physical enough to play on the bottom lines. Basically a slower Enqvist....

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I've never been a big fan of Nattinen, he needs to get quicker and improve his offensive game imo. Crisp seems more like a mix of Turner Stevenson, as he's likely much tougher then Nattinen, but both are big body forwards that are not very quick skaters. I will say in the little I saw, I was impressed with Crisp's defensive play (plus he was a regular on the PK) so it's something that I will be looking at in the future. Looks like he could have the tools to be a solid 4th liner some day or better if he can get quicker while improving his overall game. Crisp is looking like an interesting pick for sure.
I agree on Naatinens offense, but the guy is just so smart. I'm rooting for him. He's got a huge body, he's strong and has a good stick. I feel like when he's 27-28, if he doesn't bolt, he can be an asset to a playoff team.

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I've never been a big fan of Nattinen, he needs to get quicker and improve his offensive game imo. Crisp seems more like a mix of Turner Stevenson, as he's likely much tougher then Nattinen, but both are big body forwards that are not very quick skaters. I will say in the little I saw, I was impressed with Crisp's defensive play (plus he was a regular on the PK) so it's something that I will be looking at in the future. Looks like he could have the tools to be a solid 4th liner some day or better if he can get quicker while improving his overall game. Crisp is looking like an interesting pick for sure.
My feelings exactly about Crisp, but I did like Naatinen's play with Finland in his last outing for the WHC's.I think Crisp could be a sleeper pick if his skating improves quite a bit.

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Agreed on Nattinen.

Nattinen just doesn`t have an impressive skillset and isn`t physical enough to play on the bottom lines. Basically a slower Enqvist....
yea it would be better if he used that big frame better. Really liked Engqvist in Hamilton but perhaps next season we will see Nattinen step up.

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I agree on Naatinens offense, but the guy is just so smart. I'm rooting for him. He's got a huge body, he's strong and has a good stick. I feel like when he's 27-28, if he doesn't bolt, he can be an asset to a playoff team.
I root for them all, it will be interesting to see how it goes for him next season since it's a contract year for him. It would be great if he could turn into a decent bottom pairing forward for us, he needs to get quicker, more involved physically and add some offensive punch to his game. But he does have size and he's solid in his own end.

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My feelings exactly about Crisp, but I did like Naatinen's play with Finland in his last outing for the WHC's.I think Crisp could be a sleeper pick if his skating improves quite a bit.
Crisp I didn't mind his skating, just that he's a little lumbering, he won't be known for his speed at least at this point.

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If you observe just stats alone, Connor Crisp and Matt Martin had a very similar first two seasons in the OHL. Martin is one of the premier 4th line players based on his physicality and also his ability to score from time to time.

Matt Martin:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=96752

Connor Crisp:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=130613

In Martin's third year he had an offensive explosion for a point-per-game, while still putting up 100+ PIMS.

If Crisp can develop along this same path, he could end up being an excellent 4th liner for years to come.
I'd be quite happy if Crisp developed into being Montreal's Matt Martin.

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I think hes a very well-rounded player. He understands the game, and hes a very smart player, explained the Erie bench boss, pointing out that Crisp has exceptional puck handling and skating skills to go along with a hard-nosed approach to the game. For a big guy, hes very composed with the puck. Connor understands that goals are scored right around the net. He likes to go around that area. Hes very skilled at deflecting the puck. Its something he works on in practice because he understands that if he were to make a living at the game, thats where he really needs to get. He takes a lot of pride in that area of the game and wants to get better at it.
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Connor spends an endless amount of time in the weight room and its all on his own. A lot of Junior-age players dont have that drive, mentioned Knoblauch
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http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.h...id=DL|MTL|home

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I root for them all, it will be interesting to see how it goes for him next season since it's a contract year for him. It would be great if he could turn into a decent bottom pairing forward for us, he needs to get quicker, more involved physically and add some offensive punch to his game. But he does have size and he's solid in his own end.
Yes, poor choice of words by me. I guess what I mean is that he's a pet cat of mine. I love his intangibles but I agree that this is the year he's got to step up. I feel he's one of those players that will show more on a good team or in a better league, like Leblanc. Hamilton should be pretty good this season, so I'm looking for a great year from him.

Back to Crisp, he's an interesting pick for sure. It will be really fun to follow the OHL this season, as we have a few good prospects there for once. And by "follow the OHL" I obviously mean "follow HabsfanThat". LOL

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So far so good?

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So far so good?
2 hatties in 2 games apparently

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This is an "under the radar" type of player because of injuries. He has excellent size, surprising hands. The next couple of years will be interesting to see how he develops.

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This is an "under the radar" type of player because of injuries. He has excellent size, surprising hands. The next couple of years will be interesting to see how he develops.
Absolutely agree.

It is funny to read the reactions to his being drafted earlier in this thread.

His goal is to make it to the 4th line of the Habs, bring a physical presence and score the occasional goal.

Pretty much what everyone has said that they want on the team......a tough guy willing to fight while not hurting the team.

I am still positive about this pick!!!

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I really like Matt Martin, developing into a great physical bottom liner. Would be fun if Crisp could develop the same way.

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Man I would love Matt Martin on our 4th line.

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How does Crisps skating compare to Blundens ?

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How does Crisps skating compare to Blundens ?
Blunden is actually a good skater for his size. One of the only things he's not bad at really

Doubt Crisp is anywhere close based on what I've heard.

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I wonder if we're going to witness a Crisp vs McCarron fight of the titans at training camp...

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Blunden is actually a good skater for his size. One of the only things he's not bad at really
Blunden is a perfect example that size and speed don't guarantee a good player.

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I wonder if we're going to witness a Crisp vs McCarron fight of the titans at training camp...



Blunden is a perfect example that size and speed don't guarantee a good player.
Hope it turns into a wrestling match. Dont want to see one or the other KOed.

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Absolutely agree.

It is funny to read the reactions to his being drafted earlier in this thread.

His goal is to make it to the 4th line of the Habs, bring a physical presence and score the occasional goal.

Pretty much what everyone has said that they want on the team......a tough guy willing to fight while not hurting the team.

I am still positive about this pick!!!
Well, I don't think people aren't happy about the player so much as #71 being a tad early to be targeting guys who likely have a 4th line ceiling. Targeted drafting of guys like this is a bit of a crap shoot, common 4th liners were drafted from all over the board, so it seems a bit odd to me to prioritize grit over skill so early.

I'm not really whining about it because it's a dead horse, we had a ton of picks, and it's not like we were passing up on somebody can't miss at #71, but you can still often find more skilled players at that spot and they're usually easier to project (and are a bigger reward if they pan out).

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Blunden is a perfect example that size and speed don't guarantee a good player.
If Blunden was a better and more willing fighter he'd be an NHL regular.

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I have a feeling we could have pick this guy in 6th-7th round...
Seriously? You're sure that no other team would have drafted him before the 25th pick of the 6th round? Another thing: I believe the Habs didn't have a 7th round pick in 2013 (did you forget George Parros?).

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Well, I don't think people aren't happy about the player so much as #71 being a tad early to be targeting guys who likely have a 4th line ceiling. Targeted drafting of guys like this is a bit of a crap shoot, common 4th liners were drafted from all over the board, so it seems a bit odd to me to prioritize grit over skill so early.

I'm not really whining about it because it's a dead horse, we had a ton of picks, and it's not like we were passing up on somebody can't miss at #71, but you can still often find more skilled players at that spot and they're usually easier to project (and are a bigger reward if they pan out).
At the time of the draft there was people saying the Sabres wanted to draft him next, even other teams. Third round 1st/2nd liner offensive potential very rarely pan out, it's actually pretty common to draft gritty 3rd liner in the third round.

Also Timmins said he believes Crisp has untaped offensive potential, he didn't come into the OHL as a fighter, even in his first OHL fight last season the commentators were surprised to see him fight, he was drafted in the OHL as a high pick with good offensive potential.

HW who can play hockey (even on a fourth) and fight are very rare, we haven't had one on the Habs for a long time.

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Seriously? You're sure that no other team would have drafted him before the 25th pick of the 6th round? Another thing: I believe the Habs didn't have a 7th round pick in 2013 (did you forget George Parros?).
Pretty sure we traded for Parros after the draft, that 7th pick is probably in 2014

Edit: Nvm, I was wrong I guess

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The draft is really a crap shoot. How many busts are there? Why does a player like Subban get drafted in the 2nd round? These are kids that haven't developed yet and these scouts are going with their hockey knowledge/experience and gut when picking them.

I wanted Keegan Kanzig in last draft (huge goon dman). He was suppose to be in the 6th round-7th round range, perfect spot to gamble on this type of player. The kid goes in the 3rd round a few picks before Crisp. The Flames thought he was worth the gamble and if it works out they got a huge stay at home D that can drop them against anyone.

As for the Habs, I didn't even know who Crisp was so if the Habs brass took him this early you know they thought another team had him on their radar. He looks like a good character type player that all teams need when they are grinding it out in the playoffs.

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McDavid with 1g 5 a in a 6-3 win today. Crisp wasn't playing....and here goes my theory that McDavid is a product of Connor....

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Pretty sure we traded for Parros after the draft, that 7th pick is probably in 2014

Edit: Nvm, I was wrong I guess
We traded our 7th in 2013 for a 7th in 2014, then traded the 2014 7th for parros, can't remember you we swaped picks with tho

Edit:just looked it up and it was actually Florida's pick we swaped with

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