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09-01-2013, 10:02 AM
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Wow, that's great news. Hope the documentary will be up the task.

If you don't know who Léo Major is, feel some shame and go read the wiki entry for him. This guy is a legend.
I have a VC winner in the family. Hard to impress me.

But I'll probably check it out. Usually don't like documentaries about war, though.

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I'm assuming you've seen district 9?
Yes. Absolutely loved it aside from the ending which turned into a shooter, taking away some value.

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Both my girlfriend and I enjoyed it, but I'll agree that it didn't live up to the hype. But people painted it as top 5 sci-fi film. So that's some pretty tough hype to deliver on.
That's the problem with these threads - how do you market a film in a way that tempts without overselling? "An epic story that includes the necessary elements of successful filmmaking!" "See this film just because!" "Someone has the same name as you in the end credits!"

I loved 12 Monkeys because it was a stylish and twisted mind-*******. I love that kind of creative screenplay. It's been years since I saw it so I can't say if it holds up today against its reputation.

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Films with creative takes on extraterrestrials (off the top of my head):

- District 9

- 2001 A Space Odyssey (yes, it counts even if you don't see them)

- E.T.

- Dark City

- Contact

- Signs

I'd consider the first three of these films great and the last three to be good to lesser degrees, but all have an original spin on how aliens and humans interact and/or what we want from each other (I won't go into plot details to avoid spoilers for some). I'm sure I forgot some others, so feel free to add to my list.

I didn't count some great alien flics like Alien, Predator, Starship Troopers, etc, because they cast aliens as one-dimensional bad-guys.

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That's the problem with these threads - how do you market a film in a way that tempts without overselling? "An epic story that includes the necessary elements of successful filmmaking!" "See this film just because!" "Someone has the same name as you in the end credits!"

I loved 12 Monkeys because it was a stylish and twisted mind-*******. I love that kind of creative screenplay. It's been years since I saw it so I can't say if it holds up today against its reputation.
It is tough to recommend movies to people without overhyping them. Part of the reason that we recommend movies is because they exceeded our expectations. By recommending the movie to someone else we inevitably raise their expectations which almost invariably leads to a lesser relative experience for the other person.

For myself, I try and make a conscious effort not to do so when someone recommends a movie to myself but it is not easily accomplished.

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Films with creative takes on extraterrestrials (off the top of my head):

- District 9

- 2001 A Space Odyssey (yes, it counts even if you don't see them)

- E.T.

- Dark City

- Contact

- Signs

I'd consider the first three of these films great and the last three to be good to lesser degrees, but all have an original spin on how aliens and humans interact and/or what we want from each other (I won't go into plot details to avoid spoilers for some). I'm sure I forgot some others, so feel free to add to my list.

I didn't count some great alien flics like Alien, Predator, Starship Troopers, etc, because they cast aliens as one-dimensional bad-guys.
Enemy Mine, and both of the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises would qualify with the criteria that you have cited.

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Maybe I should give Dark City another chance. My girlfriend loved it and I fell asleep.

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Films with creative takes on extraterrestrials (off the top of my head):

- District 9

- 2001 A Space Odyssey (yes, it counts even if you don't see them)

- E.T.

- Dark City

- Contact

- Signs

I'd consider the first three of these films great and the last three to be good to lesser degrees, but all have an original spin on how aliens and humans interact and/or what we want from each other (I won't go into plot details to avoid spoilers for some). I'm sure I forgot some others, so feel free to add to my list.

I didn't count some great alien flics like Alien, Predator, Starship Troopers, etc, because they cast aliens as one-dimensional bad-guys.
Don't forget Paul either.......

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09-01-2013, 10:42 AM
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Would you say Dark City is creepy? I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I'm easily frightened and try to avoid creepy/scary movies. I've always wanted to watch Dark City, Sci-Fi/Fantasy is probably my favorite genre, especially if it also suspenseful and action-like.

Sorry you guys didn't like 12 Monkeys as much as I was hyping it. Though to be fair, I didn't say it was the greatest movie ever

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Would you say Dark City is creepy? I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I'm easily frightened and try to avoid creepy/scary movies. I've always wanted to watch Dark City, Sci-Fi/Fantasy is probably my favorite genre, especially if it also suspenseful and action-like.

Sorry you guys didn't like 12 Monkeys as much as I was hyping it. Though to be fair, I didn't say it was the greatest movie ever
Maybe you can consider the atmosphere and implications that go on during the movie as creepy, but I don't think it's anything you would ever qualify as scary.

Not much action, though.


And I'm the complete opposite. It's very rare to find a movie that doesn't resort to jump scares today. I hunt these movies down.

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Enemy Mine, and both of the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises would qualify with the criteria that you have cited.
I love Star Trek and enjoy SW, but I put both those franchises into different categories, where inter-species relationships are established and the story uses them more as metaphors for the human condition. If it ever happens, a real first-contact would be much stranger than anything Trek dreamed up, and much deeper than any of the talking puppets of SW.

Now that I think of it, Star Trek: First Contact would be the only film in the canon to qualify. Cool movie.

Forgot about Enemy Mine. Not really that original from a sci-fi POV, more of a creative 'bromance'. Still, it was better than most alien films.

Also just remembered Starman, with Jeff Bridges. A bit cheesy, but an intelligent attempt at the human/alien genre.

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You think so, but there's an alternate timeline where you loved it. I'm looking forward to reading your retraction last week.
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I love Star Trek and enjoy SW, but I put both those franchises into different categories, where inter-species relationships are established and the story uses them more as metaphors for the human condition. If it ever happens, a real first-contact would be much stranger than anything Trek dreamed up, and much deeper than any of the talking puppets of SW.

Now that I think of it, Star Trek: First Contact would be the only film in the canon to qualify. Cool movie.

Forgot about Enemy Mine. Not really that original from a sci-fi POV, more of a creative 'bromance'. Still, it was better than most alien films.

Also just remembered Starman, with Jeff Bridges. A bit cheesy, but an intelligent attempt at the human/alien genre.
Cocoon perhaps?

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Cocoon perhaps?
Forgot that one. Also, wasn't the female lead Raquel Welch's daughter? Unfrigginbelievably hot.

There's an Invasion of the Body Snatcher joke just hangin' there...

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You think so, but there's an alternate timeline where you loved it. I'm looking forward to reading your retraction last week.
Isn't that the unique thing about Twelve Monkeys, there are no alternate timelines. There's time travel to the past as observers but with no ability to change history.

Brad Pitt gave a decent performance, but overall it was an over elaborate film that didn't accomplish anything and ended poorly.

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Isn't that the unique thing about Twelve Monkeys, there are no alternate timelines. There's time travel to the past as observers but with no ability to change history.

Brad Pitt gave a decent performance, but overall it was an over elaborate film that ended poorly.


Spoil:
Did you notice that the woman introducing herself on the plane at the end to the scientist who caused everything to go wrong is the same woman who, in the future, is sending Bruce Willis back in time? There are multiple interpretations on what this could mean. Some say that she was there to stop the attack altogether. Others say that she was just there to finally acquire a sample of the virus in its purest form. Others argue that she might bring the virus back to the future and infect everyone. Others say that Bruce Willis was just insane the entire time.

I don't think it's entirely clear that there is no ability to change history, even though the scientists and Bruce Willis indicate otherwise. There is evidence to point towards the idea of time travel as infinite regression, but the way it ended really opens the door to various interpretations


Sorry if it's not phrased clearly.


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Forgot that one. Also, wasn't the female lead Raquel Welch's daughter? Unfrigginbelievably hot.

There's an Invasion of the Body Snatcher joke just hangin' there...
Low hangin' fruit my friend

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Wow, that's great news. Hope the documentary will be up the task.

If you don't know who Léo Major is, feel some shame and go read the wiki entry for him. This guy is a legend.
For the Korean War Leo and his Team of 20 men held of 2 Chinese Divisions -of 14,000 men by using close Quarter Mortar fire etc.

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Ill write it in white writing....highlight below:

Spoiler:



Sorry if it's not phrased clearly.
Well it wasn't exactly subtle

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Well it wasn't exactly subtle
Haha, do we have spoiler tags on this forum?

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Spoiler? I hardly know her!

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Spoiler? I hardly know her!

yep. Like a regular tag, just use 'spoil' instead of say, 'img'.

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yep. Like a regular tag, just use 'spoil' instead of say, 'img'.
Thanks boss! I also edited the post to clear up what the hell I was talking about

I added a few interpretations of the movie based on the ending.

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Another take on Aliens which combined first contact, and some fine comedy was Close Encounters. Dreyfuss was hilarious.

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Summer's going great, but I'm a huge fan of fall and I can't wait for hockey to begin!! I sincerely don't know how I got through the last lockout alive...

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