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09-01-2013, 05:40 PM
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Did you see what Lidstrom did to Lindros and the Legion of Doom in the '97 finals? What about that doesn't scream DOMINATION to you?
I guess Yzerman, Fedorov, and Murphy had nothing to do with that.

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I think it is hard to argue otherwise. I can't name another defenseman who was consistently as poised and dominant as Lidstrom over the course of his career, especially considering just how long Lidstrom managed to remain a relevant player.

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09-01-2013, 05:45 PM
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Ofcourse he was.
If a top 3 D man of all time isn't a generational talent, then there surely aren't any in the league right now.

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09-01-2013, 05:48 PM
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I am red wings fan and have to say no. Reasoning is was better defenders who were older or retiring than Lidstrom when he played. Was more dominant guy who had career shortened etc..


Was Lidstrom one of best top 8 defenders of all time YES.

Is he one of smartest hockey players of all time YES.

Was he a TON above his piers? Absolutely NOT.

Was anyone a LOT better than him? Again NO.

Is again the debate of what is generational who is elite what is great blah blah blah.

Generational are lindros lol put pronger man im old haha gretsky jagr lemiux is some worth mentioning but I do not put lidstrom better than bourque macinnis or murphy much less a potvin 10 years earlier or ORR who was the best at his time and maybe best player ever lol.

No one played better though with staying out of the box. Ever so he is a unique talent in that he compares to the greatest guys ever stat wise plus minus longevity points goals assist ppg etc..

No one even compares to staying out of the box and dominating in own end.

That means he was smartest defender ever probably.

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09-01-2013, 05:49 PM
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then there surely aren't any in the league right now.
Correct, there are 0 generational talents at D in the league right now, and 1 possible generational talent at center, Crosby, who is, at least in my opinion, still on the fence for that recognition right now anyways, he needs to do more, and get hurt less.

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09-01-2013, 05:50 PM
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His mindset and leadership are his generational talents.

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09-01-2013, 05:53 PM
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I am red wings fan and have to say no. Reasoning is was better defenders who were older or retiring than Lidstrom when he played. Was more dominant guy who had career shortened etc..


Was Lidstrom one of best top 8 defenders of all time YES.

Is he one of smartest hockey players of all time YES.

Was he a TON above his piers? Absolutely NOT.

Was anyone a LOT better than him? Again NO.

Is again the debate of what is generational who is elite what is great blah blah blah.

Generational are pronger gretsky jagr lemiux is some worth mentioning but I do not put lidstrom better than bourque macinnis or murphy much less a potvin 10 years earlier or ORR who was the best at his time and maybe best player ever lol.

No one played better though with staying out of the box. Ever so he is a unique talent in that he compares to the greatest guys ever stat wise plus minus longevity points goals assist ppg etc..

No one even compares to staying out of the box and dominating in own end.

That means he was smartest defender ever probably.
Borque I can see being a peer to Lidstrom and I was to young to see Potvin play, but Macinnis? Are you kidding me? Macinnis couldn't hold Lidstrom's jock strap.

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09-01-2013, 05:55 PM
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BY FAR the best dman since Bourque, clear generational talent. One of the top few dmen ever.

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Simply put YES

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How many defensemen have scored 80 points in the last 15 years?
Just Lidstrom.

He's the #1 offensive defenseman of the last 15 years. And the #1 defensive defenseman.

He's a generational talent.

But then again, I'm pretty biased.

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09-01-2013, 06:11 PM
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I guess Yzerman, Fedorov, and Murphy had nothing to do with that.
Are you saying Kurri, Messier, Coffey, Robatille had nothing to do with Gretzky's success? I'm sure Jagr, Francis, Coffey, Trottier, Stevens had nothing to do with Lemeiux's success. Great players play with great teammates, at least before Betmann watered down the talent pool.

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09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
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How many defensemen have scored 80 points in the last 15 years?
Just Lidstrom.

He's the #1 offensive defenseman of the last 15 years. And the #1 defensive defenseman.

He's a generational talent.

But then again, I'm pretty biased.
What he said. I get the feeling the people objecting to this don't understand what generation means. It does not mean "once in a lifetime."

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If so then it make up for the norris he lost. I don't think Blake should have won his norris ahead of Lidstrom.
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I agree on that last vote, but then again, he should've had Rob Blake's Norris before he won his first one, so it evens out a bit.
Fair enough. I forgot about that. It all evens out in the end. Not that the last Norris trophy took anything away in my eyes. The guy was one of the greats.

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09-01-2013, 06:13 PM
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2nd best defender of all-time= Generational talent.

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09-01-2013, 06:15 PM
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He's the #1 offensive defenseman of the last 15 years.
Gonchar.

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Correct, there are 0 generational talents at D in the league right now, and 1 possible generational talent at center, Crosby, who is, at least in my opinion, still on the fence for that recognition right now anyways, he needs to do more, and get hurt less.
So this generation is gonna have to do without a generational talent?

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What he said. I get the feeling the people objecting to this don't understand what generation means. It does not mean "once in a lifetime."
Maybe the original poster should have defined "generational", then, since a lot of people (myself included) expect a "generational" player to occur approximately once per generation.

How do *you* define "generational"?

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Gonchar.
I'll finish that thought for you. Gonchar has 775 career points and Lidstrom has 1,142 so, what's your point?


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Without a doubt. He's the best defenseman to play the game in my 23 years on this earth.

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Gonchar.
Uh...no. Not even close.

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09-01-2013, 06:25 PM
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From http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...his-generation

"I don’t think there’s any doubt he was the class of our generation on defense," [Scott] Niedermayer told ESPN.com on Thursday. "Seven Norris Trophies speaks to that."

"To perform the way he did for 20 years, that’s special. That’s a special player.’’ -Bobby Orr

Lidstrom was actually runner-up to Blake for the 1998 Norris Trophy, Blake’s one inscription on the prestigious award.

"I caught him before people realized how good he was," [Rob] Blake said, chuckling. "I snuck one in before he soon reeled off seven. He just dominated. He never missed games. That absolutely amazes me."



Where a person can get the idea that Lidstrom did not dominate is beyond me.

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Then again, there are only a few generational talents ever, if you're asking me. Gretzky, Lemieux, Roy, Orr, Howe and maybe a couple others, Lindros could be arguable
If we're including Roy as a generational talent, I think Lidstrom fits the bill too.

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09-01-2013, 06:27 PM
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Gonchar since 1995-1996: 0.67 points/game
Lidstrom since 1996-1996: 0.75 points/game

These were up to 2011-2012, when Lidstrom retired. Since then, Gonchar's numbers have dipped even lower.

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Gonchar.
What about him?

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Yes and easily. 7 Norris trophies. Are you kidding me?
Pretty much. I didn't think anyone would question that.

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