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09-02-2013, 10:05 AM
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I have a hangover which probably factors in a little bit, but...what a garbage deal. Don't like it at all. The length is horrid and I have a sneaking suspicion that CC reverts to mediocre form especially with the pad reductions that are taking place.

Ugh...

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09-02-2013, 10:06 AM
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Wow has Stan lost his mind? Did he forget Corey was one the worst goalies in the NHL just a season ago? I guess I'll wait to see the numbers.
Completely agree. Goalies are like Pitchers- rarely live up to contracts!
I always applauded Stan for not throwing money at Goalies. Especially an average one! Length is upsetting, and if it's $4M or more -awful- IMO. Which you know it is.

In addition, they have control over the best Prospect/Goalie from Finland on the CHEAP! So why SB threw money at this when he has a great/cheap option in near future??? This one has me shaking my head. This makes NO SENSE-Unless-Raanta is hurt, CC is under $4M... or lastly and most probable- that SB knows the Cap is going to go MUCH higher in 2-4 years- then the Deal might look affordable!

But for me. Goalies=Pitchers! Look how great Miller, Luongo, Bryz are!!! Not!

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09-02-2013, 10:10 AM
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The always predictable cry of overpayment that comes with every extension

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****ing terrible.

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09-02-2013, 10:13 AM
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The always predictable cry of overpayment that comes with every extension
Well not from me. I generally like the deals Stan hands out, or at least can live with them. I'm just not a fan of giving goalies huge money, and especially not the likes of CC.

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09-02-2013, 10:15 AM
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Well not from me. I generally like the deals Stan hands out, or at least can live with them. I'm just not a fan of giving goalies huge money, especially not the likes of CC.
It's not huge money, it's how much goalies cost now. Look at what Howard signed for and Rask

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09-02-2013, 10:22 AM
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Goalies come and go like the common cold. And whats the plan for Raanta now, let him rot as a back up for the next 6 years, or watch him leave to a rival after he proves he belongs in the NHL.

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09-02-2013, 10:23 AM
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It's not huge money, it's how much goalies cost now. Look at what Howard signed for and Rask
That doesn't mean it's not huge money though. At the end of the day the term is what disappoints me the most, however.

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09-02-2013, 10:25 AM
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If $6 for 6 is true...



The Hawks have too many star caliber players that need raises to afford paying a goalie IMO. Who would have thought after the PHX loss that we'd have $10 mil in cap space used up on Craw and Bickell

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09-02-2013, 10:29 AM
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****ing terrible.
Agreed!!!

$6M!!!!!!!!

Only chance of making sense is if Cap goes up over $72M in 2-3 yrs. -
and Stan Knows 100% that it will... otherwise- horrible contract!
and I still Hate the deal.

Hawks D/Team is so good- all they need is average Goalie- Spend the Money in front of Goalie!

Stan- Ray Emery Put up almost Identical #'s to CC last year!
So Stan- is Emery as Good or better than CC???
Or- Were the Hawks that good in front of the Goalie???
I have seen several Open practices - and Emery would let in almost twice as many goals as CC- yet Emery had Identical #'s during the season. This leads to the logical conclusion that The Hawks/Team/System is the reason for the Success and not the Goalie!!!

Stan- Must know that the NHL cap is going to explode! Or he is still Drunk from the Stanley Cup Party!

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09-02-2013, 10:30 AM
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Yikes.... not a fan of the six million cap hit.

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09-02-2013, 10:31 AM
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Seriously? We're questioning Stan's ability to manage the cap?

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09-02-2013, 10:31 AM
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Ok with it if the cap goes up enough to keep Hammer as well now, assuming future extensions for Kane and Toews. I'd rather lose Crawford to FA over Hammer.

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I understand they had to keep him, I don't think they had much of a choice. I don't share confidence in Raanta following this year that many seem to have. They were going to waste a million or two in overpayment next year anyway on the market. Too bad they'll be spending 6 on a goalie for so long.

I hope that cap flies upward so they can keep Hjalmarsson long term and still afford some quality depth role players.

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09-02-2013, 10:33 AM
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That being said, don't think it's as bad as some are making it to be, given the universal opinion that the cap is going to go up in a big way in the next few years.

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09-02-2013, 10:34 AM
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People need to realize its not 2008. People want Bickell on 3.5 mill a year, Crawford on 4

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09-02-2013, 10:34 AM
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That's about a mil more per than he should get, but with the cap going up it could look just fine.

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09-02-2013, 10:36 AM
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If that cap doesn't go up, i think we'd lose one of Kane or Toews or Hjalmarsson. I don't even want to think about cap management anymore. This is potentially a nightmare.

BUT this is what 2 Cups in 4 years gets Bowman in my eyes. I think he's been a fantastic GM and he's proven that he knows what he's doing. I trust that he is going to handle this very, very well. He's earned that trust from us as fans.

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09-02-2013, 10:36 AM
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Yikes.... not a fan of the six million cap hit.
I agree. Last summer he was considered not good enough to start. Now he's a 6 million dollar goalie. I think its jumping the gun. The Hawks showed in their 2 cup wins that you can win without a goalie making huge bucks.

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If that cap doesn't go up, i think we'd lose one of Kane or Toews or Hjalmarsson. I don't even want to think about cap management anymore. This is potentially a nightmare.

BUT this is what 2 Cups in 4 years gets Bowman in my eyes. I think he's been a fantastic GM and he's proven that he knows what he's doing. I trust that he is going to handle this very, very well. He's earned that trust from us as fans.
This is where I stopped reading.

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The cap is obviously going up. How much so will determine whether or not the contract is crippling or not. It needs to go up substantially in my eyes.

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Seriously? We're questioning Stan's ability to manage the cap?
even Stan makes mistakes

even with the Cap going up, this is too much. Especially for a guy with a philosophy of going cheap with Goaltending.

That contract is worse than Smiths and others unless he is going to be a Top10 goalie all those years. He now is paid like one



when his contract starts, he will have the 5th highest Cap Hit among goalies. Only Lundqvist and maybe Miller will end up with a higher Cap Hit until then.

He better plays like a Top7 goalie with this contract. I guess a NMC is included?

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09-02-2013, 10:47 AM
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By "cap go up" that doesn't mean the regular $1 mil-ish increase per year. Don't forget that the cap went down to $64 mil this season. If there isn't a SIGNIFICANT increase then this team is screwed.

Again, i trust Bowman knows what he's doing so i'll not worry as much. Still don't like the deal though. Crawford hasn't earned it IMO

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09-02-2013, 10:52 AM
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I trust him too, this is kind of surprising. I just thought Stan isn't a guy that pays his goalies that much. I think this contract may look good when he really plays like last season the next years too, but now playing average won't be good enough. Expectations go up with a contract like this.

Stan thinks Craw is worth this and I trust his judgement

****ing right Chicago

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If he plays well and we sign him next year, we're more than likely looking at 7+ mil.

Not saying I'm happy about this, but there's silver lining.

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