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09-02-2013, 05:40 PM
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I'm very interested for your "explanation". They paid him double his worth, plain and simple. Maybe pay couple years 3m and see if he's getting better but not this.
RFA vs UFA

We could only offer Niemi a smallish contract at the time and Hammer was also a FA, the Sharks took advantage and gave Niemi enough to be more than we could offer because we could only afford one of them. Had Niemi been unrestricted he would have gotten more.

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09-02-2013, 05:41 PM
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I'm very interested for your "explanation". They paid him double his worth, plain and simple. Maybe pay couple years 3m and see if he's getting better but not this.
Are you for real?

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09-02-2013, 05:43 PM
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Crawford no longer has the unproven tag anymore. He was pretty much the Conn Smythe winner this year, even Kane says so.

Like it or not, Crawford proved himself this year. Time will tell if this move ends up being a bust, but with any contract, there is potential for it to go either way. We win 2 more cups in the next 6 years and have great goaltending along the way, everyone will be looking back on how this was a steal.
Playing well for 48 games and being great in the playoffs proves absolutely NOTHING for a goalie. Nobody's claiming Crawford didn't play well last year, rather that there is still substantial doubt whether he can do it in back to back seasons. For every goalie that does well in multiple seasons, there's 2-3 that had one great year/playoff run, got overpaid because of it, and were never good again.

You don't give out 6 year, 6 million dollar deals after ONE abbreviated season to a goalie. It can't be broken down any simpler than that.

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09-02-2013, 05:48 PM
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RFA vs UFA

We could only offer Niemi a smallish contract at the time and Hammer was also a FA, the Sharks took advantage and gave Niemi enough to be more than we could offer because we could only afford one of them. Had Niemi been unrestricted he would have gotten more.
I could take that Rfa for 20y old but Niemi wasn't, it's not that simple, they also pay big money for RFA:s and they let Niemi walk. Yeah, they had cap problems but I don't see Crawford resume any better than Niemi's. Cap is a bit higher now but 6m is a lot for half a year resume.

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09-02-2013, 05:50 PM
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I could take that Rfa for 20y old but Niemi wasn't, it's not that simple, they also pay big money for RFA:s and they let Niemi walk. Yeah, they had cap problems but I don't see Crawford resume any better than Niemi's. Cap is a bit higher now but 6m is a lot for half a year resume.
I agree I'm not a fan of the deal either but it's not really comparable to Niemi.

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I could take that Rfa for 20y old but Niemi wasn't, it's not that simple, they also pay big money for RFA:s and they let Niemi walk. Yeah, they had cap problems but I don't see Crawford resume any better than Niemi's. Cap is a bit higher now but 6m is a lot for half a year resume.
3 years playing(starting) to a half-season splitting duties is a place to start when comparing resumes.

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09-02-2013, 05:53 PM
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Not a fan. Don't get why you wait and see what he does this year and if he truly is worth it. If he had a great year again this year then I might not be as upset, but to pay 6 million to a guy whose last 2 years where terrible and very good isn't worth it.

Worried now that Hammer is gone and to me he is more important to this teams success and future then either Bickell or Craw.

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09-02-2013, 06:01 PM
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Not a fan. Don't get why you wait and see what he does this year and if he truly is worth it. If he had a great year again this year then I might not be as upset, but to pay 6 million to a guy whose last 2 years where terrible and very good isn't worth it.

Worried now that Hammer is gone and to me he is more important to this teams success and future then either Bickell or Craw.
This post is right on the mark. Why not wait... at least half a season.

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09-02-2013, 06:05 PM
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6 per is way too much...

I suppose the cap will go up next season but...

It's nice to see the kid get paid tho... He's been with the Hawks since the beginning of our currant "core." He has paid his dues.... I don't think he's worth 6 tho. Maybe 4.5 or 5...

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6 per is way too much...

I suppose the cap will go up next season but...

It's nice to see the kid get paid tho... He's been with the Hawks since the beginning of our currant "core." He has paid his dues.... I don't think he's worth 6 tho. Maybe 4.5 or 5...
What's it going to go up? Crawford's increase may eat up all of that.

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09-02-2013, 06:10 PM
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An Andy Dufresne contract....full of hope...hope the cap goes way up, hope CC can become consistent, hope the issues with the glove can be addressed, hope he really is an elite goalie.

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Not a fan. Don't get why you wait and see what he does this year and if he truly is worth it. If he had a great year again this year then I might not be as upset, but to pay 6 million to a guy whose last 2 years where terrible and very good isn't worth it.

Worried now that Hammer is gone and to me he is more important to this teams success and future then either Bickell or Craw.
Agreed...

Let him attempt to win another cup and then pay him 6 per...

As a UFA 6 is a high number for a guy like Crawford.... Maybe this is just an "appreciation gesture" via Rocky...

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09-02-2013, 06:14 PM
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What's it going to go up? Crawford's increase may eat up all of that.
Yeah, it's supposed to go up significantly next season.

Contracts like this force the cap to go up...

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Not a fan. Don't get why you wait and see what he does this year and if he truly is worth it. If he had a great year again this year then I might not be as upset, but to pay 6 million to a guy whose last 2 years where terrible and very good isn't worth it.

Worried now that Hammer is gone and to me he is more important to this teams success and future then either Bickell or Craw.
lol last two years terrible? He was pretty good two years ago.

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09-02-2013, 06:20 PM
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What's it going to go up? Crawford's increase may eat up all of that.
That problem is a real possibility. Here's the chart of the cap history from wikipedia:



Because in the change in the player's share, I would think that the rate at which the cap could rise would be slowed.

On the upside, we don't have any big contract players to re-sign (except for Hammer)...and the RFAs (Shaw, Hayes, Morin) aren't going to get big contracts. I expect we will be filling the places of any the other players who will be UFAs with the kids!

If nothing else, Crawford's contract should dissuade anyone of the notion that Toews and Kane will be signing at a discount.

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Don't like it. Would rather the money be spent on defense. They can make a guy like Emery and Crawford look like All-Stars.

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09-02-2013, 06:26 PM
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He's earned this extension. I have been one of his biggest critics and he gives up some maddeningly stupid goals from time to time but he was asked to put up or shut up and he did just that. Make no mistake, he was the hawks best player in the playoffs.

Hats off to CC!

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That problem is a real possibility. Here's the chart of the cap history from wikipedia:



Because in the change in the player's share, I would think that the rate at which the cap could rise would be slowed.

On the upside, we don't have any big contract players to re-sign (except for Hammer)...and the RFAs (Shaw, Hayes, Morin) aren't going to get big contracts. I expect we will be filling the places of any the other players who will be UFAs with the kids!

If nothing else, Crawford's contract should dissuade anyone of the notion that Toews and Kane will be signing at a discount.
The salary cap doesn't work anyways - that's why the cap keeps fluctuating...

IMO, it's making a lot of kids turn away from hockey if they're multisport athletes... You can make 30 million per playing ball while 10 playing hockey (only if you're a superstar).... Hell, a decent utility ball player makes 4-5...

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Yeah, it's supposed to go up significantly next season.

Contracts like this force the cap to go up...
Contracts have nothing to do with the cap going up, the cap is based on revenue and a 4 million jump which is what the difference is was common in increases before. Now, the players share is less. Crawford's increase will most likely eat up the entire cap increase, maybe more.

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He's earned this extension. I have been one of his biggest critics and he gives up some maddeningly stupid goals from time to time but he was asked to put up or shut up and he did just that. Make no mistake, he was the hawks best player in the playoffs.

Hats off to CC!
Yep...

That's why in a way I'm happy.... Cory deserved this.

He worked hard and it paid off.... He was #2 forever...

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Contracts have nothing to do with the cap going up, the cap is based on revenue and a 4 million jump which is what the difference is was common in increases before. Now, the players share is less. Crawford's increase will most likely eat up the entire cap increase, maybe more.
There is no relation between player salaries and revenue...

The problem is that revenue is irreverent and the only thing that matters is payroll (if you're going to have a cap)...

In the end the salary cap does (or its end result) nothing more than attempt to regulate salaries.

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I'd be shocked if the cap wasn't at least 70 mil next after next season. The Hawks are at 55 mil without adding in Hammer extension and any of the RFA's. I do think that Hammer is most likely gone and they'll expect Leddy to move into a top 4 role.

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There is no relation between player salaries and revenue...

The problem is that revenue is irreverent and the only thing that matters is payroll (if you're going to have a cap)...

In the end the salary cap does (or its end result) nothing more than attempt to regulate salaries.
The cap is based on the revenue split, nothing more.

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Not a fan. Don't get why you wait and see what he does this year and if he truly is worth it. If he had a great year again this year then I might not be as upset, but to pay 6 million to a guy whose last 2 years where terrible and very good isn't worth it.

Worried now that Hammer is gone and to me he is more important to this teams success and future then either Bickell or Craw.
Seabrook better get traded before Hammer gets let go. Hammer is a much better defender, a better PKer, younger, faster and just a much better overall hockey player (I think Hammer could be much better offensively if he'd ever consistently look to do so more). I also think there are a lot of stupid GMs out there that think Seabrook is as good as his bogus reputation and that he's actually a true top pairing defensemen.

On that last point I think we will also fetch a better return for Seabrook based on both contract (he's signed) and perception alone. If we play our cards right we could become a better team (get a SAH defensemen who actually clears the crease and patrols the net) while keeping the better, younger, cheaper player.

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I'd be shocked if the cap wasn't at least 70 mil next after next season. The Hawks are at 55 mil without adding in Hammer extension and any of the RFA's. I do think that Hammer is most likely gone and they'll expect Leddy to move into a top 4 role.
That would be an increase of $6m (which is bigger than the increases were happening when the players were getting 70% of the hrr). They're getting 50% now so for it to go up that much would require a huge increase in revenue.

I"m sure the outdoor games will help push up HRR...but I don't know if they will by enough to push the cap up to 70m.

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