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08-27-2013, 03:25 PM
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Thomas - Ferraro - Flatley line

Would someone be so kind and write as much as possible about this line in Isles uniform?
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08-29-2013, 06:32 AM
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Al Arbour rotated his lines so much these guys rarely played with one another on a consistent basis.

Hogue, Turgeon and Ferraro were all centers, and one game he had all three on one line.

Thomas rotated between Ferraro and Turgeon. Flately would play with Turgeon.


I mean, there was a game where King and Thomas were centered by Greg Parks.

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Al Arbour rotated his lines so much these guys rarely played with one another on a consistent basis.

Hogue, Turgeon and Ferraro were all centers, and one game he had all three on one line.

Thomas rotated between Ferraro and Turgeon. Flately would play with Turgeon.


I mean, there was a game where King and Thomas were centered by Greg Parks.
Many quality top six guys there. Perhaps not such a miracle that they best the Penguins after all. Flatley was very good when fit.

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Many quality top six guys there. Perhaps not such a miracle that they best the Penguins after all. Flatley was very good when fit.
Surely you jest.

They were an 87 point club playing a 119 point club.

If we're talking about top 6 forwards:

The Penguins were stacked and I remember a (hockey news?) article around that time proclaiming that the Pens may have the best top 6 forwards ever.

Lemieux, Francis, Tocchet, Stevens --- that is 4 100 point scorers that year -- Jagr (94), Mullen (70 in 72GP). Cha-ching. They had everything in there. Extreme skill, grit, and good two-way guys too (Francis and Mullen in particular).

And Turgeon, by far the Isles most talented and highest scoring player, missed all but the last game of the series.. where he did nothing.

That was an epic, epic, upset.

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Surely you jest.

They were an 87 point club playing a 119 point club.

If we're talking about top 6 forwards:

The Penguins were stacked and I remember a (hockey news?) article around that time proclaiming that the Pens may have the best top 6 forwards ever.

Lemieux, Francis, Tocchet, Stevens --- that is 4 100 point scorers that year -- Jagr (94), Mullen (70 in 72GP). Cha-ching. They had everything in there. Extreme skill, grit, and good two-way guys too (Francis and Mullen in particular).

And Turgeon, by far the Isles most talented and highest scoring player, missed all but the last game of the series.. where he did nothing.

That was an epic, epic, upset.
Of course it was an upset, but of which magnitude?

This was another great top 6:

King-Hogue-Thomas
Ferraro-(Turgeon)-Flatley

They also had depth in McInnis, Brian Mullen and Tom Fitzgerald, not to mention the legendary David Volek.

They had defensemen like Malakhov, Norton, Krupp, Kurvers, Kasparaitis and Lachance.

Glenn Healy had his moments and if this team plays at its best it is a really, really good team.

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The only reason they made it past the pens was due to the Pens taking them lightly and Barasso's less than stellar goaltending.

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Of course it was an upset, but of which magnitude?
Huge.

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This was another great top 6:

King-Hogue-Thomas
Ferraro-(Turgeon)-Flatley
First of all, if memory serves King played with Turgeon and Thomas mostly. Anyways that doesn't really matter:

King and Flatley were very capable players for a while. King was a pretty decent goal scorer when he had Turgeon -- not a coincidence. Otherwise these are peak 20 goal guys.

Thomas and Ferraro were very good players in their own right but pale in comparison to their Penguins counterparts.

Turgeon was a great talent and a star player. And as I said --- he missed 6 of the 7 games.


Meanwhile:

Lemieux -- Top 4 all time.

Francis -- Hall of Famer.

Jagr -- Hall of Famer.

Mullen -- Hall of Famer.

Tocchet -- 440 goals, 2900 PIMS.

Stevens -- burned out due to injury and personal issues but a three time post season all star at that point in 93. Pretty sure that is more than the Isles whole top 6 by itself.


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They also had depth in McInnis, Brian Mullen and Tom Fitzgerald, not to mention the legendary David Volek.

They had defensemen like Malakhov, Norton, Krupp, Kurvers, Kasparaitis and Lachance.
Funny.

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Glenn Healy had his moments and if this team plays at its best it is a really, really good team.
Not particularly. Their defense was pretty terrible and goaltending very inconsistent.

Overall a decent team but nothing close to really, really good.

They did have Al Arbour, though. He did indeed rock.


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Not particularly. Their defense was pretty terrible and goaltending very inconsistent.

Overall a decent team but nothing close to really, really good.
Well they did beat the Penguins did'nt they.

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Of course it was an upset, but of which magnitude?

This was another great top 6:

King-Hogue-Thomas
Ferraro-(Turgeon)-Flatley

They also had depth in McInnis, Brian Mullen and Tom Fitzgerald, not to mention the legendary David Volek.

They had defensemen like Malakhov, Norton, Krupp, Kurvers, Kasparaitis and Lachance.

Glenn Healy had his moments and if this team plays at its best it is a really, really good team.
the forwards, meh. a group of career second liners playing above themselves; not an all-star group (not counting the injured turgeon), not even a "surprisingly solid group," but also not a weak group or a group too uncompetitive to pull off an upset, even of a juggernaut.

beyond the big five guys up front, with all of them except maybe hogue playing the best hockey of their entire lives, brian mullen on his last legs joined the top six after turgeon went down, tom fitzgerald was entering his two way prime, and travis green provided youthful energy and sandpaper. but again, aging veteran subs in for injured star and pots a few in one last playoff run, young two-way guy announces his future as third line playoff beast, and rookie winger provides a spark... happens every spring. the only surprising thing was that brian mullen outscored his brother in that series.

but that upset hinged on two things, and neither were the career performances of thomas and ferraro, which yeah were awesome. that was an enigmatic defense group if i ever saw one, and i don't know how arbour did it, but that d-corps ran seven deep (lachance was injured all spring), and he shuffled them around to got the most out of all of them... but to have two of malakhov, kurvers, and norton contributing at all times and not being liabilities, that's once in a blue moon. maybe once in a lifetime. krupp had a breakthrough performance, pilon emerged as a big scary face-wrecking dude, and kaspar had a norris performance. kaspar's performance in game six won that series. just like the 2011 finals were over when marchand kept punching daniel sedin in the face at the end of game six and no one (not teammates, not refs) did anything about it.

i still have no idea who dennis vaske is though.

also, glenn healy had the series of his life. sometimes that happens with goalies, even goalies as mediocre as healy, but what is truly amazing is that it happened with an entire d corps, just completely and totally overachieving. al arbour's last hurrah.

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game 1

game 4

game 6
(the kasparaitis game)

game 7


i've only gone back to watch games 6 and 7, but man fun games to watch. i totally forgot that young marty straka had his "seguin" performance in game 6.

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Well they did beat the Penguins did'nt they.
That doesn't always mean anything.
Some teams are just better suited to play certain teams.

No one is going to say that the '10 Habs were better than the '10 Caps and Pens either.

Sometimes a goalie or even an entire team just gets "hot" at the right time.

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That doesn't always mean anything.
Some teams are just better suited to play certain teams.

No one is going to say that the '10 Habs were better than the '10 Caps and Pens either.

Sometimes a goalie or even an entire team just gets "hot" at the right time.
Yes but i dont think the magnitude is very close to the Miracle on Ice for example, although when you look into Team USA that time they really had some future real solid players. The Islanders in 1993 had a deep although somewhat inexperienced team, which if they played at their best coupled with the Penguins underestimating them perhaps, with a bit of luck did for an upset.


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9293 Islanders was a good team but I think the upset against the Penguins had as much to do with Penguins team defence as with the Islanders themselves. The GW goal by Volek symptomatically scored on a 3 on 1 when Penguins "defensive rock" Ulf Samuelsson went missing deep in the offensive zone with Lemieux.

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^^^^thank you for the video posting. that's how its done, i feel so sorry for the number crunchers. they actually have to watch games now.

even better, i believe some of the full games from the series are out there.

and it was an unbelievable stunner. that pittsburg team was amazing.

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Of course that was a huge upset. The isles had the second best forward in the series, and... the eighth.

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One of the best series I've seen and that's including the cup run.

Kasparaitis really unnerved Lemieux and the Pens and deserved a lot of credit.

A little bit rubbed off on Hamonic as he got under Malkin's skin several times this past playoff.

With a healthy Turgeon, 132 point season, the Isles could've gone all the way (thanks a lot gutless POS Hunter). Enough skill with plenty of grit.

More on topic, Hogue's best years were with the Isles, From PoinBlank this week:

Benoit Hogue spent 15 seasons in the NHL and scored 222 goals, but by far, his three best seasons were spent on Long Island. He was originally acquired early in the 1991-92 season in the massive Pierre Turgeon-for-Pat LaFontaine trade with the Sabres that drastically altered the roster for both teams.

Hogue went right to work for the Islanders, scoring 30 goals and 75 points in 72 games in 91-92. The next year he would pot 33 goals as the Islanders made it all the way to the conference finals, and another 36 the following year, which would stand as a career high. He even did it with 65+ penalty minutes each season.

I loved Hogue and was disappointed when they traded him in '94 for Eric Fichaud...blech. The Isles sure have had a rough 20 years in net since. From drafting Luongo then trading him and picking DiPietro...I'll stop now before I puke.

Thomas and Ferraro were clutch and had good chemistry with their line mates that season, no matter who was there. Team gathered steam as the season went on. Arbour's last hurrah, really got a ton out of that line up.


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That team had Turgeon and a bunch of hard hat type guys that did work. The defense looks good now, but you need to understand that Lachance, Kasparaitus and Malakhov were all very young and very raw at that point in their careers.

Thomas and King put up solid numbers, but understand that they played primarily with Pierre Turgeon. The years they played with him were by far their most productive in the NHL.

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Also, a big F.U to Don Maloney for completely destroying that team the following year.

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That team had Turgeon and a bunch of hard hat type guys that did work. The defense looks good now, but you need to understand that Lachance, Kasparaitus and Malakhov were all very young and very raw at that point in their careers.
They were still allright and the team had many of those on defense.

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Thomas and King put up solid numbers, but understand that they played primarily with Pierre Turgeon. The years they played with him were by far their most productive in the NHL.
Is it really necessary to put Thomas with King in this reasoning?

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Is it really necessary to put Thomas with King in this reasoning?
True. Thomas succeeded with a wide range of centers. King really didn't do anything unless Turgeon was his center.

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True. Thomas succeeded with a wide range of centers. King really didn't do anything unless Turgeon was his center.
Obviously, the difference wasn't as big with Thomas. But his 3 best seasons were all with Turgeon..... he only really had one season upto/on that level after, and that was with Matts Sundin. He was still a solid second liner the rest of those years though, so I agree that I probably shouldn't have lumped Stumpy in with King.....

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was thomas regularly on the RW with turgeon and king? i have no idea.

fwiw, thomas scored 40 from chicago's second line. his center, i think, was a 20 year old rookie jeremy roenick.

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