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08-25-2013, 12:30 PM
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MoJo (resigns) – Bäckström – Ovechkin
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Big and tough on the lower lines as well
A bit weaker on the backend though
Washington always finds a way to lose.

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Shorter goalie pads in the league this year, going from 55% over knee to 45%.

Apparently JS Giguere is still in the NHL, because he's unhappy about it. Just like in 2010, the last time they cut down on pads, I've seen about a dozen posts saying Henrik will stink now and that his only success has been cheating with illegally sized pads.

No word on how cutting down the size of legal leg pads would affect a goaltender who was already allegedly using illegal ones, though.

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08-25-2013, 01:06 PM
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Hank won his Vezina after they cut pad sizes down, no?


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Shorter goalie pads in the league this year, going from 55% over knee to 45%.

Apparently JS Giguere is still in the NHL, because he's unhappy about it. Just like in 2010, the last time they cut down on pads, I've seen about a dozen posts saying Henrik will stink now and that his only success has been cheating with illegally sized pads.

No word on how cutting down the size of legal leg pads would affect a goaltender who was already allegedly using illegal ones, though.
Pretty obnoxious to listen to these geniuses who think Hank will suck. It's probably not going to affect many goalies in all honesty, maybe guys like Biron who don't get their 5 hole closed up fast enough.

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09-02-2013, 11:09 AM
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Corey Crawford was just resigned to a 6 year $36 million contract extension.

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09-02-2013, 11:27 AM
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Corey Crawford was just resigned to a 6 year $36 million contract extension.
My nomination for worst contract of the summer.

Crawford is 21st over the past 3 years in 5v5 Sv%.
He will have the 7th highest cap hit among goalies.

For reference the Sharks are paying 4th place Niemi $3.8M. Niemi who incidentally the Hawks walked away from in 2010.

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If a goalie like Crawford can get $6 million/year on a long term deal, Lundqvist could (and I emphasize could) ask for over $9 million/year.

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If a goalie like Crawford can get $6 million/year on a long term deal, Lundqvist could (and I emphasize could) ask for over $9 million/year.
True. But in all fairness, there's a big difference between a 29 year old getting a 6 year extension and a 32 year old getting a 6-8 year extension. And again, I'm not opposed to giving Hank $9M/year, but if that's what he wants it should be for a contract of no more than 5 years, making him a UFA at age 37. At that point if he's still in good shape we can extend him for a couple more years.

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I guess that Stanley Cup ring gave Crawford a little more leverage, or at least cache.

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People are killing the Crawford signing on the trade rumors and free agents board. Coming off a Cup year you knew he was going to cash in. The term and length show that Bowman has confidence in him with that type of commitment.

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People are killing the Crawford signing on the trade rumors and free agents board. Coming off a Cup year you knew he was going to cash in. The term and length show that Bowman has confidence in him with that type of commitment.
Deservedly so. That's a terrible contract. Crawford hasn't proven that much. The contract is too long and too much.

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09-02-2013, 07:02 PM
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In the last 3 years, Crawford has had 1 very good season, 1 good season and 1 great season. This guy is probably in the top-10 goalies in the league, but he'll never get any credit for it.

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In the last 3 years, Crawford has had 1 very good season, 1 good season and 1 great season. This guy is probably in the top-10 goalies in the league, but he'll never get any credit for it.
Sometimes you don't have to be great--just good enough.

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In the last 3 years, Crawford has had 1 very good season, 1 good season and 1 great season. This guy is probably in the top-10 goalies in the league, but he'll never get any credit for it.
In the past three years Crawford has had: 1 great season (2012-13, 8th out of 40 "starters" in 5v5 Sv%), 1 average (2010-11, 14th/32) season, and 1 awful season (2011-12, 28th/35). The great season was only half a season.

This is a situation where you wait and see if he's worth it BEFORE you sign the deal. No need to do it this summer.

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09-03-2013, 10:58 AM
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In the past three years Crawford has had: 1 great season (2012-13, 8th out of 40 "starters" in 5v5 Sv%), 1 average (2010-11, 14th/32) season, and 1 awful season (2011-12, 28th/35). The great season was only half a season.

This is a situation where you wait and see if he's worth it BEFORE you sign the deal. No need to do it this summer.
I don't judge a player's seasons based on where they rank, but rather what their numbers actually are. No one ever has an "awful season" in which they win 30 games or help their team to a .587 points percentage in the games they play.

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I don't judge a player's seasons based on where they rank, but rather what their numbers actually are. No one ever has an "awful season" in which they win 30 games or help their team to a .587 points percentage in the games they play.
Wins are a terrible way of measuring a goalie's performance. That just indicates that Chicago had great skaters that could win games despite him, rather than because of him. Hardly something you want to play $6M a year for.

Another useful measure, especially for goalies on good teams, is quality start percentage. I.E. how often a goalie gave his team a decent chance to win.

A quality start is defined as a 91.3% or better Sv%, or a few other special cases.

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In the 2010-11 season, Crawford ranked seventh with a 2.30 goals-against average, 16th with a .917 save percentage and ninth with a 61.8 quality start percentage (minimum 40 games played). In the 2011-12 season, he was 32nd with a 2.72 goals-against average, tied for 35th with a .903 save percentage and 22nd with a 50.9 quality start percentage (minimum 40 starts).
That paints him as a slightly better goalie, at least on a good team such as Chicago, but hardly worth $6M a year.


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09-03-2013, 01:08 PM
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The single most important goaltending stat is a bad way to measure the goalie's performance? We're just going to disagree here.

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The single most important goaltending stat is a bad way to measure the goalie's performance? We're just going to disagree here.
The single most important stat is a great way to evaluate goaltending performance.

But it sure as hell isn't wins.

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The single most important goaltending stat is a bad way to measure the goalie's performance? We're just going to disagree here.
Does the goalie score goals? Does he affect the number of shots he faces? No. So wins isn't a stat that the goalie's talent can affect in any way, therefore it is useless as an evaluator of performance. It is a team stat plain and simple.

Bobrovsky didn't lead the league in wins or Win%, did he not deserve the Vezina?

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In the article describing quality starts, the writer says "A goaltender's job is to block shots; wins, shutouts and even Stanley Cups are a secondary consequence of successfully blocking shots." I disagree. A goaltender's job is to give his team a chance to win and the mechanism by which he does it is blocking shots. The way you know a goalie is successful is when he does win. You can't separate the goalie from the game. This isn't baseball.

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The job of every player is to help the team win. Save percentage captures the goalie's contribution to winning and losing, while W-L record has a lot of noise that has nothing to do with a goalie.

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If wins are an indication of an amazing goalie, then Marc Andre Fleury is one of the greatest goalies of all time.

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If wins are an indication of an amazing goalie, then Marc Andre Fleury is one of the greatest goalies of all time.
Right behind Chris Osgood.

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Wins most important goalie stat? So we are to believe Michael Leighton carried the Flyers to the Stanley Cup Finals.

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