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09-02-2013, 05:39 AM
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Yeah, so much for the bold moves. I guess I can see Eakins being bold, but roster-wise not a single bold move. Every player we acquired in free agency is either average or below average, except for Ference, whose a 2nd pairing d-man. The Perron trade was a marginal upgrade, but by no means bold.

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09-03-2013, 12:23 PM
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If we want Lander to play big minutes in OKC we should sign a legit 4th line centre instead of plugging the hole with a scrub like Acton.
Is there really that much difference between a 4th line centre and a scrub?

I have no problem with his age, I would prefer Will Acton at 26, than Will Acton at 21.

I think the fourth line centre role is up for grabs. It could be Arcobello or Andrew Miller. What's the point in signing high profile US College players if they're never going to play in the NHL? I would like to give them an opportunity and whoever wins the 4th line centre role, good for them. If they sink, then you try with someone else.

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@Bob_Stauffer: Picked up the Sports Forecaster, the Hockey News Yearbook and Sportsnet Pool guide. None have Will Acton in mix as potential 4th line C...

@Bob_Stauffer: ..For the Oilers. IMO 4th line C comes down to Lander or Acton. Acton signed for 2 years. Might be better for Lander to play big mins in OKC
What the hell is all of this Will Acton talk? Dude is a career AHLer through and through. He's a frigging depth signing for the Barons and that's IT. Seriously, who the hell wants to play the 26-year-old coach's kid who has managed to put up a lousy 35 points in 141 AHL games (.25 PPG) as our starting 4th line NHL center? I don't care how much BS "sandpaper" or "grit" or "intangible" nonsense he brings. This guy is never going to be an Oiler. 4C is Lander's job to lose, and he'd have to show spectacularly poorly in camp to lose it. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it is what it is. This is Lander's year to show us what he's got as an NHLer. We need to give him that chance.

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09-03-2013, 12:49 PM
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What the hell is all of this Will Acton talk? Dude is a career AHLer through and through. He's a frigging depth signing for the Barons and that's IT. Seriously, who the hell wants to play the 26-year-old coach's kid who has managed to put up a lousy 35 points in 141 AHL games (.25 PPG) as our starting 4th line NHL center? I don't care how much BS "sandpaper" or "grit" or "intangible" nonsense he brings. This guy is never going to be an Oiler. 4C is Lander's job to lose, and he'd have to show spectacularly poorly in camp to lose it. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it is what it is. This is Lander's year to show us what he's got as an NHLer. We need to give him that chance.
Before we even hired Acton Stauffer was pumping the wheels. Eakins has dealt with him, so who knows.

It's not like they are giving Acton the job and it's not like there is a guy that is proven who is getting over looked.

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09-03-2013, 12:51 PM
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Before we even hired Acton Stauffer was pumping the wheels. Eakins has dealt with him, so who knows.

It's not like they are giving Acton the job and it's not like there is a guy that is proven who is getting over looked.
I suspect Eakins and Papa Acton are about to discover for themselves that there's a big difference between the AHL and the NHL. Their bright boy might have seemed like a solid guy for them on the farm, but they're all in for a surprise if they think he's gonna be able to hold his own in the big leagues.

And speaking of unproven, I'm getting awfully sick of this organization's pathological obsession with rookies. No first overall picks on the roster this year so MacT had to feed the rookie addiction by hiring a big-talk AHL coach who's never won anything at any level? Oh, but he's a 'fitness freak" so, you know, I'm sure he'll do great.

Sigh. This club.

Oh well! Hope springs eternal! Maybe it'll all work out great!

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I suspect Eakins and Papa Acton are about to discover for themselves that there's a big difference between the AHL and the NHL. Their bright boy might have seemed like a solid guy for them on the farm, but they're all in for a surprise if they think he's gonna be able to hold his own in the big leagues.

And speaking of unproven, I'm getting awfully sick of this organization's pathological obsession with rookies. No first overall picks on the roster this year so MacT had to feed the rookie addiction by hiring a big-talk AHL coach who's never won anything at any level? Oh, but he's a 'fitness freak" so, you know, I'm sure he'll do great.

Sigh. This club.

Oh well! Hope springs eternal! Maybe it'll all work out great!
It's not like Lander has done anything to prove he is a whole lot better. I could careless who makes the 4th line center at this point as none of them would be my choice. I would've signed a proven guy and let the others force the team to let them play.

Now all I hope for is that one of this guys steps up and wins the job and does it well. Whether that is Lander, Acton, Miller or whoever it just doesn't matter.

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It's not like Lander has done anything to prove he is a whole lot better. I could careless who makes the 4th line center at this point as none of them would be my choice. I would've signed a proven guy and let the others force the team to let them play.

Now all I hope for is that one of this guys steps up and wins the job and does it well. Whether that is Lander, Acton, Miller or whoever it just doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's pretty close to how I feel, except my general apathy towards who ends up as 4C manifests as a desire to give the role to whoever has the most potential to help the club longterm. For me, that's Lander. At a certain point, if you want a prospect to develop into a useful NHLer, you've got to take off the AHL training wheels and let them loose on NHL ice. Give them the reps. See what they can do. Justin Schultz proved pretty definitively last year that it doesn't matter how amazingly you can perform at the AHL level -- at the end of the day, NHL hockey is a different thing entirely and the only way to get good at it is to do it as much as possible. You'll never become a good NHLer by playing in the AHL. This is Lander's last year of his ELC. It's "show me" time for this prospect, and I think it makes little sense for him to show us what he's got in the AHL. I want to see what's really there under the bright lights of the big show.

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It's not like Lander has done anything to prove he is a whole lot better. I could careless who makes the 4th line center at this point as none of them would be my choice. I would've signed a proven guy and let the others force the team to let them play.

Now all I hope for is that one of this guys steps up and wins the job and does it well. Whether that is Lander, Acton, Miller or whoever it just doesn't matter.
A guy like Maholtra on a PTO would be a perfect signing. It doesn't close the roster to the young guys and still allows for competition but it also gives the team an experienced option in case no young guy seizes the day.

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Great news RNH is already back skating, informal ones too.

Want his shoulder to be 101% before he comes back. Wouldnt even mind him missing the first 5 games and having Arcobello play. Short term pain, but better long term

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Yeah, that's pretty close to how I feel, except my general apathy towards who ends up as 4C manifests as a desire to give the role to whoever has the most potential to help the club longterm. For me, that's Lander. At a certain point, if you want a prospect to develop into a useful NHLer, you've got to take off the AHL training wheels and let them loose on NHL ice. Give them the reps. See what they can do. Justin Schultz proved pretty definitively last year that it doesn't matter how amazingly you can perform at the AHL level -- at the end of the day, NHL hockey is a different thing entirely and the only way to get good at it is to do it as much as possible. You'll never become a good NHLer by playing in the AHL. This is Lander's last year of his ELC. It's "show me" time for this prospect, and I think it makes little sense for him to show us what he's got in the AHL. I want to see what's really there under the bright lights of the big show.
I kinda disagree as I don't see Lander ever being much more than a 3rd liner, which is good but I don't think you give him a spot because of this. Especially considering you can go out and sign proven 3rd liners everyday of the week.

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A guy like Maholtra on a PTO would be a perfect signing. It doesn't close the roster to the young guys and still allows for competition but it also gives the team an experienced option in case no young guy seizes the day.
I'm not a fan of Malohtra as I don't know how he is medically, but it doesn't hurt having him or whoever or a PTO.


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A guy like Maholtra on a PTO would be a perfect signing. It doesn't close the roster to the young guys and still allows for competition but it also gives the team an experienced option in case no young guy seizes the day.
Come on. The guy's eyeball exploded. He's half-blind out there. No coach is going to play him and no club would insure him in his current state. He should just retire.

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I kinda disagree as I don't see Lander ever being much more than a 3rd liner, which is good but I don't think you give him a spot because of this. Especially considering you can go out and sign proven 3rd liners everyday of the week.
I honestly don't think that's true. 3C isn't as easy to fill as all that. Guys who can contribute offensively, shut down other teams' top lines, win important face-offs, PK effectively and move up into 2C in a pinch don't exactly grow on trees. If Lander can grow into that guy in 2 or 3 years by playing regular 4C minutes, it would be a real coup for Oilers' drafting and development. Personally, I think if he's given the opportunity, the odds of Lander becoming that guy are probably around 50/50. Conversely, I put the odds of Will Acton becoming that guy at around a million to one.


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I honestly don't think that's true. 3C isn't as easy to fill as all that. Guys who can contribute offensively, shut down other teams' top lines, win important face-offs, PK effectively and move up into 2C in a pinch don't exactly grow on trees. If Lander can grow into that guy in 2 or 3 years by playing regular 4C minutes, it would be a real coup for Oilers' drafting and development. Personally, I think if he's given the opportunity, the odds of Lander becoming that guy are probably around 50/50. Conversely, I put the odds of Will Acton becoming that guy at around a million to one.

I just don't see Lander ever being much more than a 2o point guy.

I could careless what Acton can become as the 4th line center could be a revolving door year after year. It really shouldn't be that hard of a position to fill successfully every year. The guys are a dime a dozen.

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I just don't see Lander ever being much more than a 2o point guy.

I could careless what Acton can become as the 4th line center could be a revolving door year after year. It really shouldn't be that hard of a position to fill successfully every year. The guys are a dime a dozen.
It shouldn't be that hard of a position to successfully fill every year yet here we are going into camp with our two options being a career AHLer and a part time NHLer who has been pretty disappointing in his career at the NHL level.

I think the Oilers really want to see Acton in the NHL this year and I think it has everything to do with his dad.

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It shouldn't be that hard of a position to successfully fill every year yet here we are going into camp with our two options being a career AHLer and a part time NHLer who has been pretty disappointing in his career at the NHL level.

I think the Oilers really want to see Acton in the NHL this year and I think it has everything to do with his dad.
Will was talked about long before they hired Keith, I highly doubt that's what the Oilers are going to do.

This isn't minor hockey.

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Will was talked about long before they hired Keith, I highly doubt that's what the Oilers are going to do.

This isn't minor hockey.
This isn't minor hockey but it is still the Oilers. Nepotism is everywhere in this organization. There is a reason why Lowe still has a job despite failing over and over, why MacT, Howson and Moores were brought back, why Buchberger and Smith seem to survive every coaching purge, and why Smyth is still on the team. The people who run this organization are more concerned with keeping themselves and their friends employed than they are building a winning hockey team.

Why wouldn't they do Keith a favour and put Will on the team?

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