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09-03-2013, 11:10 PM
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Status Quo always a good bet with this team. But I have three points in my defense of this bold statement.

1) In life, always put what you want out there or you are much less likely to get it. So the Universe needs to see this.

2) Lou made a point that he would like to see one of the young D step up in camp. I think Merrill is the guy to do that.

3) Merrill will so drastically out perform the Volchbot 3000 that amnesty buyout or Matvichuking will be the only logical choices, as he would not "give us the best chance to win", Jon Merrill will.

Wouldn't go so far as to say "book it" then waggle my junk at you folks, but it is a reality I will enjoy in the context of this thread of predictions.
I like turning Richard Matvichuk into a verb.

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Status Quo always a good bet with this team. But I have three points in my defense of this bold statement.

1) In life, always put what you want out there or you are much less likely to get it. So the Universe needs to see this.

2) Lou made a point that he would like to see one of the young D step up in camp. I think Merrill is the guy to do that.

3) Merrill will so drastically out perform the Volchbot 3000 that amnesty buyout or Matvichuking will be the only logical choices, as he would not "give us the best chance to win", Jon Merrill will.

Wouldn't go so far as to say "book it" then waggle my junk at you folks, but it is a reality I will enjoy in the context of this thread of predictions.
I wouldn't mind seeing Merrill or Gelinas over Volchenkov. I'd welcome it.
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Uh - Clowe scored at a 1 goal pace for his first 30 some games, no?

and then potted two more in his Rangers debut.

It's probably all about situation - but even after Clowe's big night with the Rags, their board nicknamed him Slowe. Not me.

The season will show - and I hope I'm wrong.
Clowe has a longer history of scoring than Clarkson does though. Since his second full season in the league he's had a couple seasons in the 50s as far as points go. His worse was 45 in 76 games in 11-12. If he gets 45 points for us then I say he's worth that contract. At least the cap hit.

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I don't like Gionta but I think he is DeBoer's plains...in TG's interview with DeBoer he essentially said what I said yesterday, Henrique, Zubrus, Elias and Gionta can all play center or wing...Loktionov is not leaving himself much room to make the team IMO.
I still think Loktionov makes the team. I'd say he has the edge on Josefson (I think both will make it, but one might be in the lineup more than the other) cause of his recent success. However, if last years success has disappeared, maybe he will then get the treatment that Josefson got last year.

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09-03-2013, 11:19 PM
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I don't like Gionta but I think he is DeBoer's plains...in TG's interview with DeBoer he essentially said what I said yesterday, Henrique, Zubrus, Elias and Gionta can all play center or wing...Loktionov is not leaving himself much room to make the team IMO.
He also said Josefson and Tedenby were "knocking on the door". That implies they are still outside, wanting in. I think they are both in considerably worse positions than Lokti or Gionta at the start of camp.

But I think Josefson will straight up steal Gionta's spot in camp, as he did for a couple games last year before getting hurt, because he better than Baby Gio (by a lot).

Only thing keeping that at bay would be the hits. Lil G lead the team in that category, whereas JJ shatters something when you look at him wrong.

But the 4th line played a lot better when it was Carter - Josefson - Bernier.

Do not want to open the Lokti crazy box, and have avoided the retardation in that conversation up to this point, but I think a team looking to replace scoring does not remove offensive creativity from the line up. I think Lokti has the inside track to 3rd line center entering camp. (Just an opinion. To all you jumpy Lokti haters...)

Gio stays on as an extra, due to versatility (and heart). And either Barch grumps his way out or Tedenby spazzes his way back to the A.


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Do not want to open the Lokti crazy box, and have avoided the retardation in that conversation up to this point, but I think a team looking to replace scoring does not remove offensive creativity from the line up. I think Lokti has the inside track to 3rd line center entering camp. (Just an opinion. To all you jumpy Lokti haters...)
Yup that's how I see it. We need scoring and as far as that goes, Loktionov right now has a head start on Josefson and Tedenby.

Like I said, if he bombs out then he'll likely get demoted then. Kinda like Josefson last year.

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09-03-2013, 11:29 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing Merrill or Gelinas over Volchenkov. I'd welcome it.


Clowe has a longer history of scoring than Clarkson does though. Since his second full season in the league he's had a couple seasons in the 50s as far as points go. His worse was 45 in 76 games in 11-12. If he gets 45 points for us then I say he's worth that contract. At least the cap hit.

Look, there's nothing we can do to bring Clarkson back.

I'll be perfectly happy with 45 points from Clowe.

If Clarkson scores 35 goals this year, however, after people like Zajac'sBC are saying Clowe will outscore him... well... I just think the guy is going to catch crap from everywhere for that contract.

It's almost inevitable when someone gets a contract like that - Gomez on the Rags didn't have a really bad season - he put up 70 and 58 points...he just didn't have 100 assists on Jagr's goals like everyone predicted.

Those 70/58 point seasons are pretty much right in line with the rest of his career of being between 50-70 range with a peak up at 84.

I just don't think Clowe is capable of getting up to his career #s anymore so I'm hoping for 15 goals and 30 assists as success.

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Yup that's how I see it. We need scoring and as far as that goes, Loktionov right now has a head start on Josefson and Tedenby.

Like I said, if he bombs out then he'll likely get demoted then. Kinda like Josefson last year.
agree completely. And I think if Jagr gets 3rd line duties + PP as I expect, that can only help his cause.

Put JJ or Tedenby on his left and we've got an interesting 3rd line. It might get scored on alot, but it will be pretty to watch.

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Clowe had 3 concussions and shot at 3 percent last year. Even then, Clarkson only outscored him by 5 points. Clowe has been a better player his entire career. Hes healthy now and the chances of him shooting at that percentage again are slim to none. He fits the system perfectly. I cannot believe people are still complaining about him. Yea, he got overpaid but thats what power forwards cost nowadays. Let him play a game before you crap on him, my god.

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Look, there's nothing we can do to bring Clarkson back.

I'll be perfectly happy with 45 points from Clowe.

If Clarkson scores 35 goals this year, however, after people like Zajac'sBC are saying Clowe will outscore him... well... I just think the guy is going to catch crap from everywhere for that contract.

It's almost inevitable when someone gets a contract like that - Gomez on the Rags didn't have a really bad season - he put up 70 and 58 points...he just didn't have 100 assists on Jagr's goals like everyone predicted.

Those 70/58 point seasons are pretty much right in line with the rest of his career of being between 50-70 range with a peak up at 84.

I just don't think Clowe is capable of getting up to his career #s anymore so I'm hoping for 15 goals and 30 assists as success.
I really don't see Clarkson scoring 35 this year. 25 maybe, but 35 is something I can't see him doing. He might play with Kessel though so you never know. Especially with this Kadri situation if it gets messy. If Kadri holds out, Clarkson might be playing higher than he otherwise would have.

I think Clarkson will get top 6 minutes in Toronto unless he bombs out. They pretty much paid for a top 6 guy, so he'll probably be used with the purpose of being a top 6 guy at least in the beginning.

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Clowe had 3 concussions and shot at 3 percent last year. Even then, Clarkson only outscored him by 5 points. Clowe has been a better player his entire career. Hes healthy now and the chances of him shooting at that percentage again are slim to none. He fits the system perfectly. I cannot believe people are still complaining about him. Yea, he got overpaid but thats what power forwards cost nowadays. Let him play a game before you crap on him, my god.
I do like Clowe. He got overpaid a little bit, but I think he'll do just fine if he can stay healthy. We needed and I mean absolutely NEEDED someone who could replace Clarkson. We couldn't go trying to replace him with fodder like D'Agostini, Poni, Butler, and whoever else like we did with Parise last year. Matteau is not ready yet.

Clowe was probably the best logical signing to replace Clarkson.

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Clowe had 3 concussions and shot at 3 percent last year. Even then, Clarkson only outscored him by 5 points. Clowe has been a better player his entire career. Hes healthy now and the chances of him shooting at that percentage again are slim to none. He fits the system perfectly. I cannot believe people are still complaining about him. Yea, he got overpaid but thats what power forwards cost nowadays. Let him play a game before you crap on him, my god.
I didn't crap on him. I don't think saying that I hope he gets 45 points is crapping "MY GOD!" lol.

To say that you KNOW he is going to shoot better is just ludicrous - the chances that he'll shoot any differently are the same as they've ever been.

It's been said that he shot badly because he's too slow to get into position and that the game has passed him by. That won't improve this year. Who knows the real reason. You?

To say that you know he's healthy is ludicrous too. The guy missed PLAYOFF games last year. He might have a broken melon. Unless you are his wife or his Dad, please don't let this garbage out of your mouth.

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I do like Clowe. He got overpaid a little bit, but I think he'll do just fine if he can stay healthy. We needed and I mean absolutely NEEDED someone who could replace Clarkson. We couldn't go trying to replace him with fodder like D'Agostini, Poni, Butler, and whoever else like we did with Parise last year. Matteau is not ready yet.

Clowe was probably the best logical signing to replace Clarkson.
yeah, I completely agree with this too. There's no one else on the market who could have brought nearly the same toolset. It was really a no brainer for Lou to sign him. He'll do some nice things. Now we just got to get over the 'replacement' thing, and the 'contract' thing else when he puts up his 48 points and EXCEEDS realistic expectations, people will be irate.

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Clowe had 3 concussions and shot at 3 percent last year. Even then, Clarkson only outscored him by 5 points. Clowe has been a better player his entire career. Hes healthy now and the chances of him shooting at that percentage again are slim to none. He fits the system perfectly. I cannot believe people are still complaining about him. Yea, he got overpaid but thats what power forwards cost nowadays. Let him play a game before you crap on him, my god.
I think we will like having Clowe on our team. The players Lou covets and pines for are few and far between. He got two this year in THE Schneider and Clowe.

I will go with Lou on this one and not pay attention to last year's stats.

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I didn't crap on him. I don't think saying that I hope he gets 45 points is crapping "MY GOD!" lol.

To say that you KNOW he is going to shoot better is just ludicrous - the chances that he'll shoot any differently are the same as they've ever been.

It's been said that he shot badly because he's too slow to get into position and that the game has passed him by. That won't improve this year. Who knows the real reason. You?

To say that you know he's healthy is ludicrous too. The guy missed PLAYOFF games last year. He might have a broken melon. Unless you are his wife or his Dad, please don't let this garbage out of your mouth.
Do you honestly think Lou would have given him a 5 yr deal. at 4.8 per if he wasn't certain he was healthy and got the green light from doctors? The guy had ONE subpar year in his entire career and is only 30 and you act like hes all of a sudden some 4th liner thats going to be out of the league soon. I'll take him over Clarkson everyday of the week, to be honest.

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I think he'll shoot better than 3%. That's pretty damn low. Other players who shoot around that are Volchenkov and Salvador. Now we know why those guys shoot at 3%. Well Salvador's probably even lower than that. He hasn't scored a regular season goal in 3 years.

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OP lines are not bad other than the lack of Stephen Gionta, who should be playing over the invisible swede

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Elias - Zajac - Ryder
Clowe - Henrique - Jagr
Olesz - Josefson - Zubrus
Carter - Steckel - Bernier

Because we have heaps of scoring already. Faceoffs and perceived defensive awareness are what we really need to focus on.

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I'd take Clowe over Clarkson any day of the weak. He might not score as many goals, but he will be close and definitely have more assists. Oh and one more thing, Clowe is a 10X better fighter then Clarkson. Clarkson only agitates and occasionally will fight a middleweight. Clowe on the other hand is still willing and able to fight the Heavyweights. If you look at Clarkson the last couple of years his fighting has dropped considerably.

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Elias - Zajac - Ryder
Clowe - Henrique - Jagr
Olesz - Josefson - Zubrus
Carter - Steckel - Bernier

Because we have heaps of scoring already. Faceoffs and perceived defensive awareness are what we really need to focus on.
When did we get Steckel?

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When did we get Steckel?
When we finally realize we that an extra 10% on faceoffs is paramount over scoring any goals or being able to compete in game at all.

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When we finally realize we that an extra 10% on faceoffs is paramount over scoring any goals or being able to compete in game at all.
Not sure if this is a dig at the Loktionov realists or not.

Steckel was brought in as a role playing 4th line faceoff specialist. He just sucked at everything else, and needless to say, he was let go of pretty quickly. Posters here want Loktionov to be a top 9 center. Some people here are penciling him in on the 1st line.

If he wants to be any of that consistently, he needs to either move to wing or win ~45% faceoffs minimum. Below 40 is just unacceptable, unless you are making up for it in other categories. Being a 30 point player who is below average defensively is not good enough to make up for it.

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I'd take Clowe over Clarkson any day of the weak. He might not score as many goals, but he will be close and definitely have more assists. Oh and one more thing, Clowe is a 10X better fighter then Clarkson. Clarkson only agitates and occasionally will fight a middleweight. Clowe on the other hand is still willing and able to fight the Heavyweights. If you look at Clarkson the last couple of years his fighting has dropped considerably.

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I'd take Clowe over Clarkson any day of the weak. He might not score as many goals, but he will be close and definitely have more assists. Oh and one more thing, Clowe is a 10X better fighter then Clarkson. Clarkson only agitates and occasionally will fight a middleweight. Clowe on the other hand is still willing and able to fight the Heavyweights. If you look at Clarkson the last couple of years his fighting has dropped considerably.
Clarkson hasn't and shouldn't be fighting because he is no longer an enforcer or a 4th line grinder. He has become more valuable than that. Same with Clowe, I don't want him fighting, that's not why he is here.

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When we finally realize we that an extra 10% on faceoffs is paramount over scoring any goals or being able to compete in game at all.
Nobody is saying Loktionov shouldn't be in the lineup because he sucks at faceoffs. He just shouldn't be in the top 6. For a team that relies heavily on puck possession and offensive zone time, winning faceoffs is a pretty big deal. If you don't have the puck then guys like Clowe, Jagr, Zubrus, Zajac, Bernier, etc. become A LOT more ineffective. That's why his inability to shift to wing might be a problem down the line if he can't improve on draws. Sad thing is, Gionta is actually worse on draws that Loktionov so we don't exactly have the center depth to shift people over anyway. That's kind of why I want Josefson in instead of Gionta. Don't know what his faceoff % is but it can't be worse.

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I am totally unsure cause I dont know much about Ryder and only nearly nothing about Clowe. But for my understanding, Ryder ist the scorer type, Clowe more kind of a Power Fordward?

For me the lines would be:

Elias-Zajac-Ryder
Clowe-Henrique-Jagr
Carter-Yayo/Lokti-Zubrus
Tedenby-Yayo/Lokti-Bernier

Salvador-Larsson
Greene-Fayne
Volch-Zid

Olesz/Gio on the Bench as optionals

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